yea but isn't the 6800 ultra 256mb pci-e more expensive?
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KwitkoSheriff of Banning (Retired)By the thing near the stuffIcrontian
edited October 2006
Ignore price, look at architecture. The 7800GT is a newer generation of GPU. It has more pipelines, therefore a higher fill rate and higher memory bandwidth.
well i understand your point, but couldnt the 6800 Ultra be backed up by its 130(something, i forgot what its called, the 7900 gt has 90). or would this spec not influence much on gameplay?
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KwitkoSheriff of Banning (Retired)By the thing near the stuffIcrontian
edited October 2006
You must be talking about die size. The smaller, the better. The 6800 uses a 130 nanometer die, the 7900GT a 90 nanometer die. Smaller dies run at a lower voltage, and produce less heat.
But if after all that, you still want to pay more for a prior generation GPU with less power, be my guest.
130nm=less dies per wafer = higher production cost? Ultra sounds faster than GT? People that don't ask questions will pay more for an un-educated guess?
It has more pixel pipelines, higher memory bandwidth, 90nm die, and most likely support for the last gen goodies such as SM3, and others. But if the "Ultra" makes you sleep better at night, get that one.
As time goes on they keep shrinking the core. Who ever thought shrinkage was better?
Look at any cpu or gpu roadmap and you'll see the trend. It's been happening all of these years ...slowly but surely.
At any rate ...the 6800 was a good performer over a year ago until the 7800 came along. Now it's up to 7900 & 7950.
Soon the die size will be 45 nm and will most likely outperform all of the above.
oh well thanks guys,
but to kinda show how your statement is true, i can't seem to find good benchmark comparisons of the two. could someone compare the two cards for me through benchmarks please.
if possible, the games for the benchmarks could be call of duty 2, or F.E.A.R., or battlefield 2, or counter strike source
Look, listen to me, because I'm going to say this once and only once.
1. I will not find you benchmarks, because this is a commonly-accepted fact you won't take Kwitko's word on.
2. The 7900GT IS SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER THAN ANY PRODUCT NVIDIA MAKES THAT STARTS WITH THE NUMBER "6."
That is all.
7>6 ...LOL
After a little research it seems that 2x6800gt's sli mode may come close to 1x7900gt standalone in some applications/games.
My bet is still on the 7900 because it's the bigger number!!!
As far as a benchmark comparrison you probably won't even google that since the cards are a generation apart ...thus no comparrison.
Here is a configurator from tomshardware ...it may be helpful though.
oh well thanks guys,
but to kinda show how your statement is true, i can't seem to find good benchmark comparisons of the two. could someone compare the two cards for me through benchmarks please.
if possible, the games for the benchmarks could be call of duty 2, or F.E.A.R., or battlefield 2, or counter strike source
Here are some main points why a 7900GT spanks on a 6800Ultra... I will try to make it quick and Clear but being a Nvidia Nut I might get to in-depth for most people
Nvidia 6800Ultra Graphics Bus: PCI Express Graphic Core: 400MHz GPU Die Size: 130nm Memory Interface: 256-bit Memory Bandwidth: 35.2 GB/sec. Fill Rate (texels/sec.): 6.4 billion Vertices per Second: 600 million Memory Data Rate: 1100 MHz Pixels per Clock (peak): 16
Nvidia 7900GT Graphics Bus: PCI Express Graphic Core: 450MHz GPU Die Size: 90nm Memory Interface: 256-bit Memory Bandwidth: 42.2 GB/sec. Fill Rate (texels/sec.): 10.8 billion Vertices per Second: 940 million Memory Data Rate: 1320 MHz Pixels per Clock (peak): 24
Above you can see that these cards share some of the basic features and that the 7900GT sports much higher performance across the board. Let me start by saying the 6800Ultra is probably the heaviest card Nvidia has ever made, the heat sinks were huge and the card got very hot using the 130nm Cores. Most cards sucked all the power you could give them and they typically run at 80C. When the 7900GT hit the market the card was very much light weight as was the first of many GPU's to use the 90nm process from Nvidia. The card runs at stock temps around 42 - 48C and use less power than the 6800Ultra. The 7900GT also sports a 24 Pixel Pipe lane to the GPU allowing much higher Output allowing your 600 Million Vps to jump to 940 Million... you can see the memory speed was improved along with a much higher bandwidth. The 7900GT core also has a much higher clock rate on the GPU, as the card already runs cooler it allows you to push the GPU to much higher temps when overclocking. I should also mention the 6800Ultra is a 2 slot design and will take up much more space in your PC, while the 7900GT is a slime streamlined card and only takes up one slot.
I am not sure what else needs to be said, but I think the only thing the 6800Ultra has on the 7900GT is it looks like a bad ass card because of its sheer size....
In gaming the 7900GT tromps on the 6800Ultra, in today’s games the Ultra can still push High settings but chocks on high levels of AA and AF. Both cards do give you the SM 3.0 Shader tech so they both have great eye candy. But the 7900GT pushes about 2 times the frames in front of your face over the 6800Ultra. You will see the 6800Ultra fall of the charts in today’s widescreen gaming as its tech just can’t keep the frames pushed on a 1980+ screen res. Sure it will be playable, But I am sure you will see some graphics lag of some kind.
Here are a few images of the cards, the top one being the 6800Ultra & the bottom one being the 7900GT
hah, thanks a lot guys i now truly do agree with you that the 7900 GT is a lot better than the 6800 ultra
though why would the 6800 ultra 256mb pci-e be selling at a lot more than the 7900 gt 256 mb ? i could be wrong but it would be great if someone actually found the real price of these cards because i'm seeing the 6800 ultra at around $400!? why is that
100% correct! The 6800Ultra was not a cheap card. We saw this same issue with the 5900 series as the series didn't sell well and tons of sellers were not moving stock which cost them tons of cash… the 5900 series was selling for more than the 6800 series when they launched. Now the 6800 Ultra had a short life and was in high demand which is why you still see inflated prices today at certain sites. I think I sold a few 6800Ultra a year or so ago for around $220 which was a huge price to score for them at that time. The newer 6800GT rev’s based on the 110nm can still be found for under $200 and perform just as good as the 6800 Ultras.
Just note a higher price doesn’t always mean your getting the best... it just means your getting ripped off
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But if after all that, you still want to pay more for a prior generation GPU with less power, be my guest.
No, I'm saying 130 is worse than 90.
I have no idea, you said the 6800 was more expensive, not me.
It has more pixel pipelines, higher memory bandwidth, 90nm die, and most likely support for the last gen goodies such as SM3, and others. But if the "Ultra" makes you sleep better at night, get that one.
Look at any cpu or gpu roadmap and you'll see the trend. It's been happening all of these years ...slowly but surely.
At any rate ...the 6800 was a good performer over a year ago until the 7800 came along. Now it's up to 7900 & 7950.
Soon the die size will be 45 nm and will most likely outperform all of the above.
Just a case of smaller is better.
but to kinda show how your statement is true, i can't seem to find good benchmark comparisons of the two. could someone compare the two cards for me through benchmarks please.
if possible, the games for the benchmarks could be call of duty 2, or F.E.A.R., or battlefield 2, or counter strike source
thanks a bunch
1. I will not find you benchmarks, because this is a commonly-accepted fact you won't take Kwitko's word on.
2. The 7900GT IS SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER THAN ANY PRODUCT NVIDIA MAKES THAT STARTS WITH THE NUMBER "6."
That is all.
7900>7600
7800>6800
there really isn't much left to argue.
Do I need to shine the Sledge light?:confused2
After a little research it seems that 2x6800gt's sli mode may come close to 1x7900gt standalone in some applications/games.
My bet is still on the 7900 because it's the bigger number!!!
As far as a benchmark comparrison you probably won't even google that since the cards are a generation apart ...thus no comparrison.
Here is a configurator from tomshardware ...it may be helpful though.
tomshardware interactive vga charts
Google is such a wonderful and useful tool.
Here are some main points why a 7900GT spanks on a 6800Ultra... I will try to make it quick and Clear but being a Nvidia Nut I might get to in-depth for most people
Nvidia 6800Ultra
Graphics Bus: PCI Express
Graphic Core: 400MHz
GPU Die Size: 130nm
Memory Interface: 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth: 35.2 GB/sec.
Fill Rate (texels/sec.): 6.4 billion
Vertices per Second: 600 million
Memory Data Rate: 1100 MHz
Pixels per Clock (peak): 16
Nvidia 7900GT
Graphics Bus: PCI Express
Graphic Core: 450MHz
GPU Die Size: 90nm
Memory Interface: 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth: 42.2 GB/sec.
Fill Rate (texels/sec.): 10.8 billion
Vertices per Second: 940 million
Memory Data Rate: 1320 MHz
Pixels per Clock (peak): 24
Above you can see that these cards share some of the basic features and that the 7900GT sports much higher performance across the board. Let me start by saying the 6800Ultra is probably the heaviest card Nvidia has ever made, the heat sinks were huge and the card got very hot using the 130nm Cores. Most cards sucked all the power you could give them and they typically run at 80C. When the 7900GT hit the market the card was very much light weight as was the first of many GPU's to use the 90nm process from Nvidia. The card runs at stock temps around 42 - 48C and use less power than the 6800Ultra. The 7900GT also sports a 24 Pixel Pipe lane to the GPU allowing much higher Output allowing your 600 Million Vps to jump to 940 Million... you can see the memory speed was improved along with a much higher bandwidth. The 7900GT core also has a much higher clock rate on the GPU, as the card already runs cooler it allows you to push the GPU to much higher temps when overclocking. I should also mention the 6800Ultra is a 2 slot design and will take up much more space in your PC, while the 7900GT is a slime streamlined card and only takes up one slot.
I am not sure what else needs to be said, but I think the only thing the 6800Ultra has on the 7900GT is it looks like a bad ass card because of its sheer size....
In gaming the 7900GT tromps on the 6800Ultra, in today’s games the Ultra can still push High settings but chocks on high levels of AA and AF. Both cards do give you the SM 3.0 Shader tech so they both have great eye candy. But the 7900GT pushes about 2 times the frames in front of your face over the 6800Ultra. You will see the 6800Ultra fall of the charts in today’s widescreen gaming as its tech just can’t keep the frames pushed on a 1980+ screen res. Sure it will be playable, But I am sure you will see some graphics lag of some kind.
Here are a few images of the cards, the top one being the 6800Ultra & the bottom one being the 7900GT
though why would the 6800 ultra 256mb pci-e be selling at a lot more than the 7900 gt 256 mb ? i could be wrong but it would be great if someone actually found the real price of these cards because i'm seeing the 6800 ultra at around $400!? why is that
100% correct! The 6800Ultra was not a cheap card. We saw this same issue with the 5900 series as the series didn't sell well and tons of sellers were not moving stock which cost them tons of cash… the 5900 series was selling for more than the 6800 series when they launched. Now the 6800 Ultra had a short life and was in high demand which is why you still see inflated prices today at certain sites. I think I sold a few 6800Ultra a year or so ago for around $220 which was a huge price to score for them at that time. The newer 6800GT rev’s based on the 110nm can still be found for under $200 and perform just as good as the 6800 Ultras.
Just note a higher price doesn’t always mean your getting the best... it just means your getting ripped off
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I have it oc'd at at the hardware level to ultra specs, and it still doesnt compare with my friends OC'd 7600GT.