Whoa... Annual US Budget Deficit Reaches New High = $374.22 Billion

edited July 2004 in Science & Tech
In 1992, the United States Government exceeds their budget by $290 Billion dollars. This year the US government has set a record of $374.22 Billion and next year's could top $500 Billion.

[blockquote]Administration officials warned the deficit, which they blame on sluggish government revenues and rising expenses related to the war on terrorism, may be even larger in the current 2004 budget year, which began Oct. 1[/blockquote]

Source: --> <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/20/news/economy/budget.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes&quot; target=blank> CNN</a>

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  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited October 2003
    Is there anywhere where someone can find out who the government owes and what for? It should be public knowledge but they like to keep things like that from the people.

    I know some is actually owed to people in things like bonds and such but what else?
  • kanezfankanezfan sunny south florida Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    < sarcasm >go GW! best president evar! woot go republicans!< sarcasm >
  • QCHQCH Ancient Guru Chicago Area - USA Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Kanezfan.... forgot the / to close out the Sarcasm HTML Tags...

    &#60sarcasm> Lets go for $750 Billion deficit!!!! < &#47sarcasm>
  • Al_CapownAl_Capown Indiana
    edited October 2003
    kanezfan had this to say
    < sarcasm >go GW! best president evar! woot go republicans!< sarcasm >

    Uh... oh... wait until Thrax gets here. We're going to get a nice lecture about how The republican party is the solution.

    Anyways, anyone else like this Senator Kerry?
    kerry080102ff.jpg

    He seems like a wise man, but i'm not really going to talk politics as I don't think s-m is the place as well as my lack of knowledge in this area.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Actually, I just wished to recap a half-century standing rule for economics:

    The economic impact of any president is not felt for 6-8 years after the president has left office.

    High school econ books teach this, this is/was commonly quoted by economists, and college level courses teach this as a basic principle to diagram the relation between government policy and the market state.

    K...Thx...Bye.
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    we should really stop trying to westernize everyone...i mean really...geaorge washington said it best...keep ur nose in ur side of the sea and ONLY do economic business with the others
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Yes, and we all realized how well that worked on December 7th, 1941.
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Thrax had this to say
    Yes, and we all realized how well that worked on December 7th, 1941.


    errrrrr???? i dont get the reference....but seriously...we really should just keep our noses out of others businesses..i mean it was the US who put saddam in power...and it was the US CIA who trained him...if u dont believe me look at bowling for columbine
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    If you'd like to pass Bowling for Columbine off to me as factual evidence, as opposed to nothing but slanted, liberal grandstanding of little to no academic and/or credible merit, I've got 45 pounds of fresh Beryllium that won't kill you in 48 hours.
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Thrax had this to say
    If you'd like to pass Bowling for Columbine off to me as factual evidence, as opposed to nothing but slanted, liberal grandstanding of little to no academic and/or credible merit, I've got 45 pounds of fresh Beryllium that won't kill you in 48 hours.
    ill be honest...i hated bowling for columbine....but one thing it is...it is factual.....it has a lot more than "no academic and/or credible merit"...im sure more people are on my side with this...if not it would be sued for definition of character by the government a looooong time ago...

    //edit
    have u even seen the movie?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    You shortchange me my suggesting I haven't seen that which I'm trying to argue.

    Besides, it's defamation of character, and the government can't sue for that.
  • kanezfankanezfan sunny south florida Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    as a self professed liberal, let me just say that Michael Moore is a communist idiot. that guy should just elarn how to play the guitar and move to a commune somewhere where he and his hyppie friends can write songs about how evil all the capitalist pigs are. No, I didn't see BFC, but I read something that explained how that whole Charlton Heston interview thing was staged. No i'm not an NRA supporter either. and I hope you realize that Dec. 7 1941 was Pearl Harbor Wug. I'm not calling you stupid, I'm just not sure what you mean by
    errrrrr???? i dont get the reference....
  • PreacherPreacher Potomac, MD Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Besides Dec. 7th, 1941, Sep 11th, 2001 taught the error of isolationist foreign policies or in the case of the Clinton Administration a foreign policy with no backbone, no focus, and no direction.

    As for the deficit, while it may the largest numerically, it is not the largest as a percentage of GDP. That's the really meaningful figure. Two factors have contributed to the loss of a budget surplus. Both of which Bush had no control over and one of which Clinton had no role in:
    1) War on Terrorism
    2) Economic Recession
    The recession started in the latter part of the Clinton Administration and it seems that only now do the indicators appear to show we've started to pull out of it.

    As for how much we owe, it's nearly 7 Trillion dollars. For up to the minute numbers, check out the Deficit Debt Clock and how much each citizen's share is. We owe the money to those people including American citizens, but mostly other countries and business that buy US Treasury Securities. The interest on the 7 Trillion debt (read interest on all those savings bonds and other government securities) is in the Billions.
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Thrax had this to say
    You shortchange me my suggesting I haven't seen that which I'm trying to argue.

    Besides, it's defamation of character, and the government can't sue for that.

    Thrax had this to say
    I think that any published book about hacking is going to be class-A rubbish. More often than not, it'll probably cover already-patched security exploits (If it even covers those), and won't go into much depth on programming your own tools or the environments in which a "Real" hacker would be working.

    Hacking is one of the few remaining tasks on a machine that won't be publicized with the depth it requires to explain the task. Hacking exposed books are probably like "Get rich quick" books...BS.


    from what i remember u didnt read that book either...(neither did i but i still spoke against it until prime pwned us) regardless
    /edited out (possible flame)

    btw...thanks for telling me about pearl harbor...im bad with dates etc...BUT we were a tad responsible witht that too...as i recall...we were sending ships and weapons to the allies.....but i suppose that can also be considered as just economic trade....a horrible grey area.....and regardless...u think if we got involed they wouldnt have hit pearl harbor...plz...they probably would have hit it either way...regardless
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    ahem..... you KEYBOARD JOCKEYS should find the proper venue in which to discuss your opinions and views.

    :ninja:
  • PreacherPreacher Potomac, MD Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Wug,
    you need to bone up on your history. No historian has ever asserted a reasonable justification for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. We were sending weapons and resources to the British and Russians via the Lend-Lease program, but these weapons weren't used against Japan. They were bound for the Eastern Front and Britain to be used against Germany. We did stop selling US oil and lubricants to Japan since they were wandering around slaughtering Chinese and other Asian civilians at the time. Very justified and hardly responsible....
    Are you responsible for a burglar breaking into your house if you lock the windows and doors? Your argument holds no logic or truth.

    Additionally, I think you mispoke. I believe you meant defamation of character when you said "definition of character." The government can't sue for defamation of character anyways. We have this little right the Founding Fathers gave us called Freedom of Speech. Bowling for Columbine was exactly that..Michael Moore's freedom of cinematic speech.
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Preacher had this to say
    Wug,
    you need to bone up on your history. No historian has ever asserted a reasonable justification for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. We were sending weapons and resources to the British and Russians via the Lend-Lease program, but these weapons weren't used against Japan. They were bound for the Eastern Front and Britain to be used against Germany. We did stop selling US oil and lubricants to Japan since they were wandering around slaughtering Chinese and other Asian civilians at the time. Very justified and hardly responsible....
    Are you responsible for a burglar breaking into your house if you lock the windows and doors? Your argument holds no logic or truth.

    Additionally, I think you mispoke. I believe you meant defamation of character when you said "definition of character." The government can't sue for defamation of character anyways. We have this little right the Founding Fathers gave us called Freedom of Speech. Bowling for Columbine was exactly that..Michael Moore's freedom of cinematic speech.
    alright ill admit that i was wrong about the japan/lend-lease thing...i knew it was sumthing with arms but thats just about it...but what i was tring to say is that regardless of whether of not we were going to head into foreign politics....ie)if we got involved in the world war earlier....i still feel that pearl harbor would have gotten bombed...but screw it...i dont care if im right or wrong nemore this isnt a debate forum....also..that defamation thing.....our founding fathers did ensure freedom of speech...but then why are people getting sued for "harrrassing" other indivuiduals by only using words?? What about how you cant scream fire in a movie theathre....i know..their extreme cases...but right to speech and all...and better yet...why would defamation of character even exist???
  • DogSoldierDogSoldier The heart of radical Amish country..
    edited July 2004
    Those who dislike Michael Moore always attack him rather than the documentarys he develops. Attacking the Man rather than the idea or opinion is called Ad Hominem. I recommend anyone who has an interest in America check out http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/ I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 last night and I've never been so disgusted with an administration as I am with Bush/Cheney. Oh, in case anyone accuses me of copyright infringement, Moore is on record stating he doesn't mind people downloading his movie, he actually likes it.. get's the message out. He just doesn't want anyone profitting from a downloaded divx.

    I apologize for the political nature of this post, but I believe it's a very VERY important message.
  • ThraxThrax
    points to Keyboard Jockey
    🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited July 2004
    points to Keyboard Jockey
  • danball1976danball1976 Wichita Falls, TX
    edited July 2004
    I do believe the total debt (national debt) is around $7 Trillion dollars at least.
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited July 2004
    I think we've seen enough here. If you would like to continue this debate, please do so at Keyboardjockey.
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