The RAM thing just means if you have an 800mhz FSB CPU then you have a quad-pumped 200mhz system bus. To run the memory you will have a ratio of 200mhz.... for pc3200 its easy as its 200mhz (DDR400). pc2700 memory runs at 166mhz (DDR333) or less but you dont get that ratio (5/6ths) for some reason out of motherboards. the easy option it gives you is 4/5ths of system bus ie 160mhz (DDR320).
If your CPU has an FSB of 533mhz it has a quad-pumped 133mhz system bus. pc2700 memory runs at 166mhz (DDR333) which is a ratio of 5/4 of system bus.
Hey Donut....
Could you tell us (or me anyway ) how you went about determining these specs?
Thankyou!
It was real easy, it used to be my proc.:bigggrin:
Actually CPU-Z will tell you, if you can get into Windows. Or if you use the numbers printed on the top of the processor, you can go to the manufacturers website and find the specs there.
Another option, go to your favorite store (Newegg, E-Wiz, ZZF, etc.) and look it up there.
dont ask me why u dont get a 5/6ths or 6/5ths multiplier chip , I dont know. and dogdragon...you dont actually get the choice...your CPU will have locked multipliers maybe...but certainly you cant run a 533FSB chip at 800FSB..it will just lockup unless you got liquid nitrogen cooling or something :-)
but as its a 533FSB part then your memory should be running at 166mhz (DDR333) as you already have seen in BIOS or startup screen.
As to why your CD drive doesnt appear to have any media in it, am I right in thinking the only thing not changed so far is the motherboard? is this a new item? maybe its just kaput
Some quick specs of DogDragons setup
Asus P5P800SE
Pentium D805 proc.
1gb (2-512mb) Pc3200 ram
Big Typhoon CPU cooler.
Something I thought of to check (while typing this) check the backplate of the cooler make sure it isn't shorting out on the mobo. The pad between the mobo and plate should prevent this but...
fyi- this setup I sent to DD, that's why I know so much about it.:D
Ok Hold it
I'm still a newbie when it come to that part,
So what? There a jumper on the motherboard to change?
or do I need to put it back together and get up to change
it in the setup?
DD
if you set the ram speed in the Bios to "Auto" you should be fine. Double check the manual if in doubt. I don't remember there being jumpers on the board for your fsb speed.
ok but the book says "When using 800 MHz FSB CPU PC2700 DDR
DIMMS run only at 320MHz(not333MHz) due to the chipset limitation.
so what does that mean?
I hear what you're saying and see what the book saying and lost in the middle
Sounds to me like the chipset doesn't fully support 800fsb procs. (or not with PC 2700). in your case it doesn't matter because you have a 533 fsb cpu and pc3200 ram. the ram will run (at default settings) 333fsb.
I've got an old Opteron board that is similar, due to chipset limitations I run 800fsb procs but can only run pc2700 ram. With pc3200 it will not even boot.
not if your CPU is a 533mhz FSB model (as donut suggests it is and I would believe him as its simple to check .... i'm not allowed to post links yet
yes, definately a 533mhz model so will run your pc2700 ram at 166mhz (DDR333) not at DDR320
No new motherboard will have jumpers for FSB and multiplier...all will be controlled through BIOS or in your OS environment
So here's all the info I can give you maybe this will help
OK, I'm back here again
In bios setup utility
main
primary ide master :maxtor 66160p0
primary ide slave :not detected
secondary ide master :nec
secondary ide slave : not detected
third ide master : not detected
fourth ide master : not detected
ide configuration
system information
when you enter primary ide master :maxtor 66160p0
it says
primary ide master
device :hard disk
vendor :maxtor 66160p0
size :160.0gb
lba mode :supported
block mode :64sectors
pio mode :4
async dma :multiword dma-2
ultra dma :ultra dma-5
smart monitoring :supported
type [auto]
lba/large mode [auto]
block(multi-sector transfer) m [auto]
pio mode [auto]
dma mode [auto]
smart monitoring [auto]
32bit data transfer [disabled]
when you enter secondary ide master :nec
secondary ide master
device :atapi cd-rom
vendor :nec
lba mode :supported
pio mode :4
async dma :multiword dma-2
ultra dma :not supported
type [auto]
pio mode [auto]
dma mode [auto]
advanced
jumperfree configuration
cpu configuration
chipset
onboard devices configuration
pcipnp
usb configuration
when you enter jumperfree configuration
configure system frequency/voltage
ai overclock tuner [standard]
when you enter cpu configuration
configure advanced cpu setting
manufacturer :intel
brand string :intel (r) pentium (r) d cpu 2.66ghz
frequency :2666mhz
fsb speed :533mhz
cache l1 :32kb
cache l2 :2048kb
cache l3 :0kb
max cpuid value limit [disabled]
execute disable function [disabled]
adjacent cache line prefetch [enabled]
cpu interal thermal control [auto]
[auto] chipset
advanced chipset settings
warning:settings wrong values jn the below sections
may cause system to malfunction.
configure dram timing by spd [enabled]
memory acceleration mode [auto]
dram jdle timer [auto]
dram refresh rate [auto]
onboard ac'97 audio [auto]
onboard lan [enabled]
onboard lan boot rom [disabled]
serail port1 address [3f8/irq4]
parallel port address [378]
parallel port mode [ecp]
ecp mode dma channel [dma3]
parallel port irq [irq7]
onboard game/midi port [disabled]
when you enter pcipnp
advanced pci/pnp settings
warning:settings wrong values jn the below sections
may cause system to malfunction.
plug and play o/s [no]
pci latency timer [64]
allocate irq to pci vga [yes]
palette snooping [disabled]
pci ide busmaster [enabled]
irq-3 assigned to [pci device]
irq-4 assigned to [pci device]
irq-5 assigned to [pci device]
irq-7 assigned to [pci device]
irq-9 assigned to [pci device]
irq-10 assigned to [pci device]
irq-11 assigned to [pci device]
irq-14 assigned to [pci device]
irq-15 assigned to [pci device]
usb function [enabled]
legacy usb support [auto]
usb 2.0 controller [enabled]
usb 2.0 controller mode [hispeed]
usb mass storage device configuration
when you enter usb mass storage device configuration
usb mass storage reset delay [20 sec]
no usb mass storage deviced
power
suspend mode [auto]
repost video on s3 resume [no]
acpi 2.0 support [no]
acpi apic support [enabled]
apm configuration
hardware monitor
when you enter apm configuration
apm configuration
restore on ac power loss [power off]
power on by rtc alarm [disabled]
power on by external modems [disabled]
power on by pci devices [disabled]
power on by ps/2 keyboard [disabled]
power on by ps/2 mouse [disabled]
when you enter hardware monitor
hardware monitor
cpu temperature [44.5c/112f]
mb temperature [31c/87.5f]
power temperature [47.5c/117.5f]
cpu q-fan control [disabled]
cpu fan speed [1383rpm]
chassis fan speed [n/a]
power fan speed [n/a]
vcore voltage [1.272v]
3.3v voltage [3.360]
5v voltage [5.068v]
12v voltage [12.144v]
boot
this are lets make simple
1 cd-rom
2 harddrive
3 floppy
I just re-read the whole thread, but may have missed it. If so, sorry if these things have already been tried:
Have you tried booting from the cdrom drive with both the floppy drive and hard drive disconnected and disabled in the BIOS?
(I know this won't get you anywhere as far as getting an OS installed, but it might be useful to see if that forces the system to boot from the cdrom.)
Second question: Have you tried booting from a floppy disk?
And a third: Have you tried disabling the SATA Controller?
Have you tried booting from the cdrom drive with both the floppy drive and hard drive disconnected and disabled in the BIOS?
(I know this won't get you anywhere as far as getting an OS installed, but it might be useful to see if that forces the system to boot from the cdrom.)
Second question: Have you tried booting from a floppy disk?
And a third: Have you tried disabling the SATA Controller?
Ok now they're are some things I understand. Ok I will try doing what you think in the order you have them
All but the disabling the SATA controller not sure how to.
I didn't see the SATA in the list in the bios setup utility
...I didn't see the SATA in the list in the bios setup utility
I'm trying to download the manual right now. ASUS is being their typically slow selves, so it might be an hour or two before I finish getting this enormous 3MB file...
I can get A:\>dir but can't find the cd rom
It says Invalid drive specifcation
I tried letters C: D: E: F: G: s[[ saysthe same thing,
But I can feel the cd rom sping on boot
Try hooking the cd drive up as the Primary Master. Don't attach anything as a Primary Slave. Leave the Secondary Channel with nothing attached to it, too.
Since you can boot from a floppy it indicates that the BIOS is doing its job by searching all its options for a bootable disc. It sounds to me like you either have a bad cd drive, a bad cable, a bad disc, or that the Secondary IDE Channel has croaked. We can eliminate the last possibility by doing what I mentioned at the beginning of this post.
Have you tried different bootable CDs? I know you mentioned that you've tried several drives you pulled out of other machines - did you make sure they were jumpered correctly for Master/Slave? There have been many times (OK, a few) when I've hurriedly grabbed a drive from another machine for testing purposes and forgot to check the jumper. You might want to try both Master and Cable Select (CS) and see if that makes a difference. Also, make sure the drive is attached at the end of the connector - not on the middle connection.
Ok, I tried disabled both floppy and harddrive and left cd-rom
it spins but nothing than tried boot ftom floppy and got a promp.
So now making cd-rom primary master.
yes I even try the chipset support cd and that didn't work.
Ok changing the cd-rom to master
Ok It can boot from floppy so now is there a way to go from
A:\ promp to get the cd-rom and open a setup file?
But, first I got to figture how to find the cd-rom letter, tried D to H.
I'm going MAD I tell ya MAD HAHAHAHA :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Think I hit my head into the wall too many times.
Comments
Hey Donut....
Could you tell us (or me anyway
Thankyou!
If your CPU has an FSB of 533mhz it has a quad-pumped 133mhz system bus. pc2700 memory runs at 166mhz (DDR333) which is a ratio of 5/4 of system bus.
at least...i think this is right :-)
DogDragon, going for that 160MHz/320MHz setting sounds like it may be the solution.
It was real easy, it used to be my proc.:bigggrin:
Actually CPU-Z will tell you, if you can get into Windows. Or if you use the numbers printed on the top of the processor, you can go to the manufacturers website and find the specs there.
Another option, go to your favorite store (Newegg, E-Wiz, ZZF, etc.) and look it up there.
but as its a 533FSB part then your memory should be running at 166mhz (DDR333) as you already have seen in BIOS or startup screen.
As to why your CD drive doesnt appear to have any media in it, am I right in thinking the only thing not changed so far is the motherboard? is this a new item? maybe its just kaput
Asus P5P800SE
Pentium D805 proc.
1gb (2-512mb) Pc3200 ram
Big Typhoon CPU cooler.
Something I thought of to check (while typing this) check the backplate of the cooler make sure it isn't shorting out on the mobo. The pad between the mobo and plate should prevent this but...
fyi- this setup I sent to DD, that's why I know so much about it.:D
I'm still a newbie when it come to that part,
So what? There a jumper on the motherboard to change?
or do I need to put it back together and get up to change
it in the setup?
if you set the ram speed in the Bios to "Auto" you should be fine. Double check the manual if in doubt. I don't remember there being jumpers on the board for your fsb speed.
Right I figture that out cause I knew it was running at 333MHz
so turn it down I think is the answer.
The question is how
anyway you should be set.
nope did that and was still having the problem that's why you told me to start
over outside of the case
DIMMS run only at 320MHz(not333MHz) due to the chipset limitation.
so what does that mean?
I hear what you're saying and see what the book saying and lost in the middle
I've got an old Opteron board that is similar, due to chipset limitations I run 800fsb procs but can only run pc2700 ram. With pc3200 it will not even boot.
yes, definately a 533mhz model so will run your pc2700 ram at 166mhz (DDR333) not at DDR320
No new motherboard will have jumpers for FSB and multiplier...all will be controlled through BIOS or in your OS environment
So here's all the info I can give you maybe this will help
OK, I'm back here again
In bios setup utility
main
primary ide master :maxtor 66160p0
primary ide slave :not detected
secondary ide master :nec
secondary ide slave : not detected
third ide master : not detected
fourth ide master : not detected
ide configuration
system information
when you enter primary ide master :maxtor 66160p0
it says
primary ide master
device :hard disk
vendor :maxtor 66160p0
size :160.0gb
lba mode :supported
block mode :64sectors
pio mode :4
async dma :multiword dma-2
ultra dma :ultra dma-5
smart monitoring :supported
type [auto]
lba/large mode [auto]
block(multi-sector transfer) m [auto]
pio mode [auto]
dma mode [auto]
smart monitoring [auto]
32bit data transfer [disabled]
when you enter secondary ide master :nec
secondary ide master
device :atapi cd-rom
vendor :nec
lba mode :supported
pio mode :4
async dma :multiword dma-2
ultra dma :not supported
type [auto]
pio mode [auto]
dma mode [auto]
advanced
jumperfree configuration
cpu configuration
chipset
onboard devices configuration
pcipnp
usb configuration
when you enter jumperfree configuration
configure system frequency/voltage
ai overclock tuner [standard]
when you enter cpu configuration
configure advanced cpu setting
manufacturer :intel
brand string :intel (r) pentium (r) d cpu 2.66ghz
frequency :2666mhz
fsb speed :533mhz
cache l1 :32kb
cache l2 :2048kb
cache l3 :0kb
max cpuid value limit [disabled]
execute disable function [disabled]
adjacent cache line prefetch [enabled]
cpu interal thermal control [auto]
[auto] chipset
advanced chipset settings
warning:settings wrong values jn the below sections
may cause system to malfunction.
configure dram timing by spd [enabled]
memory acceleration mode [auto]
dram jdle timer [auto]
dram refresh rate [auto]
graphic adapter priority [agp/pci]
graphics aperture size [ 64mb]
when you enter onboard devices configuration
onboard ac'97 audio [auto]
onboard lan [enabled]
onboard lan boot rom [disabled]
serail port1 address [3f8/irq4]
parallel port address [378]
parallel port mode [ecp]
ecp mode dma channel [dma3]
parallel port irq [irq7]
onboard game/midi port [disabled]
when you enter pcipnp
advanced pci/pnp settings
warning:settings wrong values jn the below sections
may cause system to malfunction.
plug and play o/s [no]
pci latency timer [64]
allocate irq to pci vga [yes]
palette snooping [disabled]
pci ide busmaster [enabled]
irq-3 assigned to [pci device]
irq-4 assigned to [pci device]
irq-5 assigned to [pci device]
irq-7 assigned to [pci device]
irq-9 assigned to [pci device]
irq-10 assigned to [pci device]
irq-11 assigned to [pci device]
irq-14 assigned to [pci device]
irq-15 assigned to [pci device]
pci slot-1/5 irq preference [auto]
pci slot-2 irq preference [auto]
pci slot-3 irq preference [auto]
pci slot-4 irq preference [auto]
when you enter usb configuration
usb configuration
module version -2.23.2-5.3
usb devices enabled :
none
usb function [enabled]
legacy usb support [auto]
usb 2.0 controller [enabled]
usb 2.0 controller mode [hispeed]
usb mass storage device configuration
when you enter usb mass storage device configuration
usb mass storage reset delay [20 sec]
no usb mass storage deviced
power
suspend mode [auto]
repost video on s3 resume [no]
acpi 2.0 support [no]
acpi apic support [enabled]
apm configuration
hardware monitor
when you enter apm configuration
apm configuration
restore on ac power loss [power off]
power on by rtc alarm [disabled]
power on by external modems [disabled]
power on by pci devices [disabled]
power on by ps/2 keyboard [disabled]
power on by ps/2 mouse [disabled]
when you enter hardware monitor
hardware monitor
cpu temperature [44.5c/112f]
mb temperature [31c/87.5f]
power temperature [47.5c/117.5f]
cpu q-fan control [disabled]
cpu fan speed [1383rpm]
chassis fan speed [n/a]
power fan speed [n/a]
vcore voltage [1.272v]
3.3v voltage [3.360]
5v voltage [5.068v]
12v voltage [12.144v]
boot
this are lets make simple
1 cd-rom
2 harddrive
3 floppy
Have you tried booting from the cdrom drive with both the floppy drive and hard drive disconnected and disabled in the BIOS?
(I know this won't get you anywhere as far as getting an OS installed, but it might be useful to see if that forces the system to boot from the cdrom.)
Second question: Have you tried booting from a floppy disk?
And a third: Have you tried disabling the SATA Controller?
Ok now they're are some things I understand. Ok I will try doing what you think in the order you have them
All but the disabling the SATA controller not sure how to.
I didn't see the SATA in the list in the bios setup utility
It says Invalid drive specifcation
I tried letters C: D: E: F: G: s[[ saysthe same thing,
But I can feel the cd rom sping on boot
Since you can boot from a floppy it indicates that the BIOS is doing its job by searching all its options for a bootable disc. It sounds to me like you either have a bad cd drive, a bad cable, a bad disc, or that the Secondary IDE Channel has croaked. We can eliminate the last possibility by doing what I mentioned at the beginning of this post.
Have you tried different bootable CDs? I know you mentioned that you've tried several drives you pulled out of other machines - did you make sure they were jumpered correctly for Master/Slave? There have been many times (OK, a few) when I've hurriedly grabbed a drive from another machine for testing purposes and forgot to check the jumper. You might want to try both Master and Cable Select (CS) and see if that makes a difference. Also, make sure the drive is attached at the end of the connector - not on the middle connection.
it spins but nothing than tried boot ftom floppy and got a promp.
So now making cd-rom primary master.
yes I even try the chipset support cd and that didn't work.
Ok changing the cd-rom to master
If I wasn't crazy this would drive me there
A:\ promp to get the cd-rom and open a setup file?
But, first I got to figture how to find the cd-rom letter, tried D to H.
I'm going MAD I tell ya MAD HAHAHAHA :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Think I hit my head into the wall too many times.