Why Windows Vista isn't ready for geeks

LincLinc OwnerDetroit Icrontian
edited March 2007 in Science & Tech
Rob started out with a streamlining guide, but it quickly turned into something far darker.
Games wouldn't run, applications wouldn't install, and a slew of Vista options could not be disabled even if it would've helped the PC's performance or my sanity; it all just went to hell.

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  • KentigernKentigern Milton Keynes UK
    edited March 2007
    Enjoyed reading this article, very informative. Thanks Thrax. :)
  • WinfreyWinfrey waddafuh Missouri Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    Ya, really good read. Explains why I can save my money 'till after Vista gets a reality check. :wink:
  • Sledgehammer70Sledgehammer70 California Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    I disabled a few odf the options you turned off as well, but most I use one way or another... It is true games do hate Vista a bit, but none of my current games have issues...
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited March 2007
    Glorious People's Republic of Microsoft has fulfilled Five-Year Plan on schedule. Back in bread line and quit complaining, tovarisch. :cool:
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    Sledgehammer70 wrote:
    I disabled a few odf the options you turned off as well, but most I use one way or another... It is true games do hate Vista a bit, but none of my current games have issues...

    Then set them to manual.
  • jaredjared College Station, TX Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    If you are going to put a "digg this" button with the article at least initially submit it so we will have something to digg....

    Great write up thraxy
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    Thank you, Thrax. I enjoyed the well-written article and learned from it. News I can use.
  • LincLinc Owner Detroit Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    jared wrote:
    If you are going to put a "digg this" button with the article at least initially submit it so we will have something to digg....
    It's a smart button. After someone submits it, it will be attached to that submission. It's no good for the staff to keep submitting articles - their algorithm will penalize us.
  • jaredjared College Station, TX Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    General Keebler wrote:
    It's a smart button. After someone submits it, it will be attached to that submission. It's no good for the staff to keep submitting articles - their algorithm will penalize us.

    HardOCP (aka kyle) submits their own articles all the time and they have been on the front probably a dozen times.
  • EyesOnlyEyesOnly Sweden New
    edited March 2007
    Like i needed another reason not to get vista. :rolleyes:

    Is microsoft trying to put people of from bying their software. Seems like it with the release of crap like this. :mean:
  • mtroxmtrox Minnesota
    edited March 2007
    EyesOnly wrote:
    Like i needed another reason not to get vista. :rolleyes:

    Is microsoft trying to put people of from bying their software. Seems like it with the release of crap like this. :mean:

    I think you're looking at it wrong. Rob's approach is right. It's not that the direction is bad for the average guy who keeps forgetting about the "right click thing". Its just bad for geeks. I've seen some of his install problems though haven't pushed Vista intalls the way he has. I'd add a few more problems :rant: for us geeks:
    1. Vista assumes I'm too dumb to understand a path. So the address bar shows it in....I still haven't figured that out. Just show me the path!
    2. Geeks have all their docs organized in folders that make sense. When we search, more often then not its for some hidden system file deep in some path that starts with c:\windows\system32\blah, blah. I still haven't figured out how to get search results that I trust in Vista's indexed thing.
    3. I'm convinced the "End Process" button isn't connected to anything. After a while you finally get a screen that says Windows is searching for a solution. Criminy I was just trying something...end the %$#@!* process!
  • Sledgehammer70Sledgehammer70 California Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    mtrox wrote:
    1. Vista assumes I'm too dumb to understand a path. So the address bar shows it in....I still haven't figured that out. Just show me the path!
    2. Geeks have all their docs organized in folders that make sense. When we search, more often then not its for some hidden system file deep in some path that starts with c:\windows\system32\blah, blah. I still haven't figured out how to get search results that I trust in Vista's indexed thing.
    3. I'm convinced the "End Process" button isn't connected to anything. After a while you finally get a screen that says Windows is searching for a solution. Criminy I was just trying something...end the %$#@!* process!

    I do get a handful of "this program shut down wrong" what do you want to do boxes... while its nice, to know something went wrong it is as annoying as hell that is does it every time I shut down that program...
  • mtroxmtrox Minnesota
    edited March 2007
    Thought I'd post this here. Just got an email from Dell asking why my company hasn't migrated to Vista yet. After voting I saw the results. No idea how many votes are in, but its interesting. Click the attachment.
  • clear_darknessclear_darkness TX New
    edited March 2007
    I often feel the same anger towards Vista as I have before working on Macs...I think this is a very, very bad sign. Hurry Bill, sell your stocks before you lose all your lovely money. I love freeware, I think I'm going to have to go back to using some of that. Gaming is really the only reason I don't put more thought into completely switching to the 'nix. I've gotten to the point where I want to actually cause harm to the next customer/person to ask me what I think about Windoze Vista.
  • Sledgehammer70Sledgehammer70 California Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    Being a PC builder and what I would call a hard core gamer, I do not have any of the above feelings toward the OS. it does offer a few new items I use daily that I didn't have access to in XP. I am sure a SP1 update will be very welcome in regards to a few program instabilities, but overall the OS runs great for what i use it for day in and day out.

    TBH I will still refer new builds to XP for the pure fact it is much more streamlined, and no one can deny that. But if someone wants a Vista PC, I just make sure to use components that will work within the system now. I guess I just have the luxury to work around things…
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    I have the luxury to work around things too, but that's the sin of Vista: You shouldn't have to hand-pick components to get the PC working. If you must, it's not ready, plain and simple.

    Further, and I mean no offense to this, Sledge, but you get really excited over new products very easily. You're a "New new new! Now now now!" type person, and generally don't carry any of the reservations expressed by a large portion of the general PC/gaming community about anything.
  • Sledgehammer70Sledgehammer70 California Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    Well when you get it free it is hard not to check it out... I don't have the luxury myself to pick items, but for customers new builds I do, but before I jumped ship I made sure that all drivers on my laptop were compatible with Vista along with the programs I use daily, such as Dreamweaver, Photoshop, 3DS Max 9.0, Maya, MS Office, Smart FTP, all my games etc... they all work, some with a hitch and others with nothing wrong, but than again many of my programs give me issues in XP, so it is nothing new. Being a so called Geek myself as the title says, I don't see the reason not to switch, especially if your building a new PC, I don't see myself telling people to upgrade, but if your starting from fresh slate I would go Vista...

    just my opinion...
  • ShortyShorty Manchester, UK Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    Thrax wrote:
    Then set them to manual.

    Or build a batch file to turn them on and off at a click of a button ;)
  • mtroxmtrox Minnesota
    edited March 2007
    ^^ditto Shorty^^ I have a batch for my Cisco VPN that starts the service, then the vpn.exe.

    Let me add one more geek rant :rant: to my three above:
    4. Vista's backup assumes you're dumb as a rock. So instead of choosing entire folders and ignoring others, you just pick categores of files...such as E-mail with a pretty blue check beside it. I don't see the point in backing up if I don't have a darn good idea exactly what is getting backed up (i.e., there might be several .pst's on this or any other computer I'm on...is it taking all of them? Just some of them?). ntbackup doesn't work any more. I see Cobian is Vista-able. Might have to make that change.
  • NiGHTSNiGHTS San Diego Icrontian
    edited March 2007
    jared wrote:
    HardOCP (aka kyle) submits their own articles all the time and they have been on the front probably a dozen times.

    FWIW, Jared, the Digg community generally hates it when the same submitter continues to give the same articles from one website over and over again. When you think about it, there's really not much wrong about it - that's the point of the system. People feel like it gets abused, though, when you keep tooting your own horn. Plus, it would cheapen the article, IMO, if the writers of it are the ones that find it interesting - thus submitting it to Digg.com to begin with.

    Plus, as an author, I'd rather be recognized with a digg as opposed to forcing it down someone's throat, know what I mean? :)


    As always, another enjoyable article from the guy who introduced me to the website to begin with - puts my doubts about upgrading into perspective. I respect your opinion, Thrax, and greatly appreciate the time and effort you take in not only giving me advice but everyone else as well. I always feel bad about bugging you on AIM about my latest tech question, but am very appreciative you continue put up with me. Well written and easy to understand, despite the rather advanced nature of the body of the article.
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