Onboard LAN or pci card on NF7?

TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
edited November 2003 in Hardware
I have been wondering of that lately but i have been to lazy to try. I have a few good quality ethernet cards here. What's the best choice? I have read that peeps do get better internet speeds with good quality pci cards.

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  • ClutchClutch North Carolina New
    edited November 2003
    I went with my onboard lan for my NF7-S myself, I didn't see any sense in spending any extra for a pci nic card, when I could put that money to more ram, better hdd, etc...
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    I agree, but if it would give me faster internet speed, i would consider it. It's fast as it is, but i'm never satisfied if there is a possibility to go faster.
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Mac,

    I have been using my onboard like you and Clutch as well as probably most have. I have also seen where peeps have claimed an increase with an add on PCI card but think that you would need a real high quality card to better it enough to warrant the change. What cards those may be is another question. I haven't been able to test as all my ethernet cards are 1 1/2 to 2 yrs old since I have been using onboard since the KT266 chipset was released.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    The card i was thinking off is a Intel ethernet pci card which is a few years old but i suspect it's a lot better than my onboard for some reason.
  • hypermoodhypermood Smyrna, GA New
    edited November 2003
    Mack,

    I've tried the Intel EtherExpress PRO 100, a Netgear FA310TX, an the onboard NF7-S controller. The Intel is indeed the fastest by about 5% on LAN transfers (10700MBs vs 10200MBs). Using a 2Mbs cable connection I cannot tell them apart.

    Interestingly, the Intel card had slightly higher CPU utilization spikes (1%-3%) but on average about the same as the others.

    It seems as though there was much more product differentiation performance wise a few years ago than now.

    HTH
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Great info Hypermood, thanks a million :)

    Don't care if it utilize the cpu slightly more , as long is i get better dl speed.
  • ClutchClutch North Carolina New
    edited November 2003
    Hypermood, you said there was an increase on LAN transfers, how about actualy download speeds? any increase?
  • TexTex Dallas/Ft. Worth
    edited November 2003
    Your not gonna see much differance on internet stuff. You might on your internal LAN. Try a 3com 3c905. I know the technology isnt new but neither is 100mbit.... They were always faster on my internal network before I went to gigabit. The nice thing about the intels though is the nice software. Definatley donwload it from the intel site. Its soooo easy to enable jumbo frames and stuff on a intel card with their software. Even though I have plenty of gigabit cards I find myself still scarfing cheap Intel Gigabits on eBay just for the software. I have extra gigabits sitting here if anyone wants to upgrade without the risk of eBaying. (grin)

    There is also a number of LAN related tweaks that can help you.

    You also realize that if you only have two computers networked you can go gigabit without a switch. I am buying 64bit cards on eBay for 20 to 30 bucks most of the time. The netgear cards don't even need a crossover cable. They figure the sh*t out by just plugging a regular cable in straight between two cards.

    Tex
  • hypermoodhypermood Smyrna, GA New
    edited November 2003
    Clutch,

    There is just too much variability in using dslreports to accurately say. Perhaps if I ran the test 100 times, the scores would converge around the fastest.

    I ran the test 3 times for each adapter and just eyeballing the results there was no difference that I could tell. I really suspect that until each adapter becomes the bottleneck in the transfer as seen on the LAN you will have problems measuring a difference (there is < 1% CPU utilization for all adapters on a 2 Mbps transfer).
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Intel makes, by far, the fastest network interface cards available. I sell many network cards a year, and so I have a pretty good relationship with my wholesale networking distributor. The company (Anixter) is a large nationwide network equipment wholesaler. They did some lab testing of 3com (Broadcom chips) vs Intel (intel chips) highend cards. In the server arena, the Intel PRO/100S server nic had a 40% higher throughput than the 3C990SVR.

    I used to use 3Com gear exclusively, because with end-to-end 3Com gear you have some great management tools available to you. However, the throughput increase is too much to justify not switching to Intel gear. I now have Intel PRO/100S server nics in my servers and PRO/1000 cards on the desktops.

    Mack, I would say to put an Intel PRO/1000 card in your desktop - they are around $40 in the US.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Cheers for the input all, much appreciated as you can see i know jack schitt about this. The card is a Intel Pro 100. Looks like a bios chip can be installed on the pic to the right. Anything i should/could care about?

    Tex, that software from Intel, is that available for anyone with a Intel nic?
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2003
    Mackanz, there is no way that it'll make a difference in your internet speed. Either one is capable of ~100Mbps. DSL tops out at 6Mbps, Cable can burst to 50-60, but is tecnically capped at like 10 by the modem (at least, that's what I've read...). So unless you're running an OC-3 line or something, there's no way that you'll get better speed by switching cards.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Mackanz, there is no way that it'll make a difference in your internet speed. Either one is capable of ~100Mbps. DSL tops out at 6Mbps, Cable can burst to 50-60, but is tecnically capped at like 10 by the modem (at least, that's what I've read...). So unless you're running an OC-3 line or something, there's no way that you'll get better speed by switching cards.

    Not only the nics would be changed, the drivers would also off course. I know for a fact that a driverchange can change things considerably, even internet speed. I'm not asking for 100+mb/s here, it's only "if i can, i'll do it" that matters. A friend of mine got 10kb/s+ faster dl speed (sustained, not peaks) just by going from Win 98 to 2K on the same nic.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2003
    Very strange... it shouldn't make a bit of difference. Maybe you should just pop the Intel NIC in there and try it. At worst, you'll just have to take it out again...
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    That's because Win98 is optimized for 56k. That part is true, and it does make a difference when you tweak the rwin properly, amongst other things.

    But beyond 98, it makes no difference what you do. It is what it is.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited November 2003
    I don't exactly know what to attribute it to, but when I changed from an a D-Link DFE-538TX PCI NIC to an Intel Pro/1000 MT PCI NIC, I did notice a substantial improvement in download, LAN transfer & browsing speeds. Substantial means instead of getting 40 KB/sec on downloads, I'm getting 100-120 KB/sec.

    I didn't change anything else in regards to the system configuration, so I don't know what else to attribute it to.

    No changes were made to the registry and I installed the latest NIC drivers from Intel.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    SimGuy had this to say
    I don't exactly know what to attribute it to, but when I changed from an a D-Link DFE-538TX PCI NIC to an Intel Pro/1000 MT PCI NIC, I did notice a substantial improvement in download, LAN transfer & browsing speeds. Substantial means instead of getting 40 KB/sec on downloads, I'm getting 100-120 KB/sec.

    I didn't change anything else in regards to the system configuration, so I don't know what else to attribute it to.

    No changes were made to the registry and I installed the latest NIC drivers from Intel.

    :eek:

    So i may be on to something then?

    /me swaps nics
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    well?? ne resulkts came through?
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited November 2003
    Well, you may be onto something, or it could have been isolated. Again, normally I would say changing NIC's wouldn't do a thing, but in this case, things changed for the better and I can't explain why.

    The download speeds were tested while I was downloading the new Fedora Red Hat Linux client ISO's (3 discs).
    Mackanz had this to say
    SimGuy had this to say
    I don't exactly know what to attribute it to, but when I changed from an a D-Link DFE-538TX PCI NIC to an Intel Pro/1000 MT PCI NIC, I did notice a substantial improvement in download, LAN transfer &amp; browsing speeds. Substantial means instead of getting 40 KB/sec on downloads, I'm getting 100-120 KB/sec.

    I didn't change anything else in regards to the system configuration, so I don't know what else to attribute it to.

    No changes were made to the registry and I installed the latest NIC drivers from Intel.

    :eek:

    So i may be on to something then?

    * Mackanz swaps nics
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Don't confuse bandwidth with throughput, folks....
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