NF7-S High temps?

a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
edited December 2003 in Hardware
I just upgraded to the most recent version of the NF7-S v2.0 BIOS (19). Last BIOS I had was 11 or 12 or 14 (yeah, sorry, I can't recall which, but it had been quite a while since I had upgraded). No issues thus far, though it has only been a few hours since the upgrade, but I do have a concern and a question.

Concern: My temps rose between 5-10 degrees C. Depending on ambient temps I normally would have around 46.5-51.5 C, but now I'm running about 57 C. Anyone else experience this jump? I'm running a TBred B @ 2.3GHz (200x11.5) w/ a 1.725 vCore.

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  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    They changed some registers after 17 i think and the temps is supposed to be true now.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited November 2003
    Does that seem high to you?
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    not if you're folding and ocing doesnt seem high to me!
  • muddocktormuddocktor
    edited December 2003
    I've heard of the temp jump but never saw it because my NF7-S came with bios 17 on it. As far as temps go, what are you cooling with? Those temps are quite a bit higher than mine(with bios 18) and I'm running the mobile 2400 in my Abit board at 2400 with 1.85v core (by MBM, 1.9v set in bios). My folding temps are presently at 36 C with the board showing 23 C, folding Gromacs.

    I think that for some reason this mobile barton runs cooler than a desktop proc for some reason. My old 2500 always ran around 3-5 C hotter than this.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Why is it that people complain about BIOSes raising their temps?
    ;)

    As I recall, the NF7 still has the in-socket thermistor (I haven't looked in the socket on mine for months tho, so I'm not sure); regardless, it's temperature readings have always been low compared to boards that I know read the internal CPU temperature (A7V333, A7N8X, K7D), and it drives me nuts. It would appear that ABIT finally decided to set their temperature monitoring up properly this time...
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Depending on the ambient, yes, that's a tad hot for that voltage i 'd say.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited December 2003
    As it stands right now (according to Winbond v2.70 (the software that came w/ the mobo except I think v2.6 came w/ the mobo)):

    vCore: 1.68v (BIOS: 1.725)
    System temp: 31C
    CPU Temp: 54.5C

    I'm using an SLK-900U w/ a fan that pushes somewhere between 40 and 50 CFM (I think it's 44 or 47).
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited December 2003
    There's a difference between complaining and concern.
    I was concerned my temps were too high. I had no complaint about the BIOS.
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Why is it that people complain about BIOSes raising their temps?
    ;)

    As I recall, the NF7 still has the in-socket thermistor (I haven't looked in the socket on mine for months tho, so I'm not sure); regardless, it's temperature readings have always been low compared to boards that I know read the internal CPU temperature (A7V333, A7N8X, K7D), and it drives me nuts. It would appear that ABIT finally decided to set their temperature monitoring up properly this time...
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Why is it that people complain about BIOSes raising their temps?
    ;)


    You know Geeky...that's why this thread is started, cause A2 wasn't 100% sure if it was the bios or his other hardware that caused this. ;)

    A2, i still believe it's a tad hot at that voltage. Redo the lot w/AS 5 perhaps? Might be worth it. Just my dimes.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited December 2003
    Thanks Mack. I guess I might just do that. There's a few 1800+ CPUs (DLT3C nonetheless!) just laying around collecting dust so I should give them a try and see how high they can O/C . . . keep the fastest one in this system and then use the others in the el-cheapo ECS mobos I have.
    Mackanz had this to say
    A2, i still believe it's a tad hot at that voltage. Redo the lot w/AS 5 perhaps? Might be worth it. Just my dimes.
  • muddocktormuddocktor
    edited December 2003
    Yeah, give the Arctic Silver another shot. Also, it sometimes takes 2-4 days for the AS time to bed in good too, so give it at least 4 days to see if the temps drop some more. I know that on this install of the hsf on my Abit rig, I saw a nice sized drop in temps after 4 days or so.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    If you're running a thermalright sink, try pushing your fan around slightly on top of the sink.

    I can lose 4-10*F just by aligning my fan correctly on top of my SK-7.

    I was running 92*F idle at 2.32GHz, and then I took my computer apart to clean it and L12 mod the chip. After I put it all back together with a fresh coat of AS3, the chip was idling at 102*F.

    I poked the fan a little because it was off, and my temps immediately dropped back to 92.

    Dead air space is a killer!
  • muddocktormuddocktor
    edited December 2003
    Good point Thrax, about the fan alignment. That could definitely make a difference.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited December 2003
    Ok, here's an update.

    Ordered the 66CFM fan from SVC and it arrived yesterday (Friday). Stick it in the system and the temps were the same as w/ the old fan (that was ~45CFM, give or take 2-3CFM I don't recall exactly).

    "Odd" I think to myself, especially since the fan was actually less noisy than the previous, even though the CFM was about 20CFM higher and both are 92x25mm Sunons. Then I think, "well, I guess it wouldn't hurt to change the connector the fan is plugged into . . . especially since the new fan is less noisy than the old maybe they weren't getting enough juice." So I disconnect the fan from the "fan connector" and plug it into a mosfet with 4 wires rather than 2 wires going to it. Obviously the other two wires are superfluous for this application since they go unused but I guess considerably more juice is given to leads on those than are given to the leads on the 2 wire mosfets. I would have suspected more power because of more wires, but not enough to make a difference for a fan. Boy was I wrong. I still might re-apply some AS3 if you guys think these temps are too high for my CPU once you consider the vCore and the GHz.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited December 2003
    vCore, temps, etc . . .
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    a2jfreak had this to say
    I just upgraded to the most recent version of the NF7-S v2.0 BIOS (19).
    FYI: the most recent bios is v20: ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/bios/nf7-s_2.0/nf7d20.exe

    v20 modified: http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30778

    btw: I don't have a v2.0 board but my CPU with just about the same specs as yours, runs at 38c full load 24/7
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited December 2003
    When I wrote that the most recent BIOS was 19. ABIT released 20 shortly thereafter. :) Oh well . . . at least I have a recent BIOS. ;D

    38C? What's your HS? How many CFM is your FAN? 80mm or 92mm?

    /me probably should go ahead and re-apply the AS3, as my SLK-900U + 66CFM fan should be a pretty decent cooling combo and it appears I'm not getting what I should. I'm 10C hotter than you. :(
    EQuito had this to say
    a2jfreak had this to say
    I just upgraded to the most recent version of the NF7-S v2.0 BIOS (19).
    FYI: the most recent bios is v20: ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/bios/nf7-s_2.0/nf7d20.exe

    v20 modified: http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30778

    btw: I don't have a v2.0 board but my CPU with just about the same specs as yours, runs at 38c full load 24/7
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    It's in my signature, same HS with Mechatronics 80mm 53CFM fan and cheap thermal paste. I changed FSB, multi and raised the voltage from 1.675v to 1.725v to make it even closer to your setup and now I'm at 40c, take a look:
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited December 2003
    Changed your setup? That's pretty nice of you . . . way beyond the "call of duty!" :thumbsup:

    I'm pretty sure I'll just re-apply the AS3 later today or Sunday. I just hate to take my system down because SimGuy is breathing down my neck (and he has stinky breath, lemme tell ya ;D), but I guess if I can get my temps down and O/C this bad boy to maybe 2.4GHz then I'll be able to make up for lost time. :D
    EQuito had this to say
    It's in my signature, same HS with Mechatronics 80mm 53CFM fan and cheap thermal paste. I changed FSB, multi and raised the voltage from 1.675v to 1.725v to make it even closer to your setup and now I'm at 40c, take a look:
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    You're welcome!
    No big deal really, as you can see I use nf7vcore so I can change pretty much anything I want on the fly.

    btw: I've never ever used AS, I just don't believe is worth the price.

    :cheers:
  • TheSmJTheSmJ
    edited December 2003
    Well now I'm curious to see what a2j comes up with.

    With my 947u, I'm getting 53*c (@ 2300MHz - 210x11) and a system temp of 31*. The vcore is currently at 1.7.

    Now I'm wondering how much cooler I could get it...
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Probably a lot. Even at 1.93v & 2.51GHz, my 1800 runs <120*F full load with the 900A and 92mm Tornado...
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