About this case(Thermaltake Xaser III V1000D)

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  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Fans:
    For the 80x25mm case fans that you'll need to use for those antec/chieftec cases, there is one, and only one, choice for most people.

    The Thermaltake SmartFan 2. Newegg has them. They're the best 80mm fans on the market, because they're capable of moving (supposedly) ~75cfm (I think it's really more like 55, but that's fine...), but they can be thermally or manually controlled, too, so you can make them as quiet as you need them to be.

    For 92mm fans, either a Sunon KD1209PTB2, an Enermax 92mm adjustable fan, or a YSTech 66cfm 92mm (which is a bit loud).

    Overclocking:
    You won't be able to overclock much; the KT400 chipset, and Soyo boards in general, are not particularly outstanding overclockers. If the CPU is a 3000+, the RAM has to be at least 333MHz...

    Anyhow, you won't be able to overclock a great deal with that setup; if you want to, you could get an Abit NF7 to replace the Soyo, but if you don't really want to overclock, it's not necessary.

    What do you have as a CPU heatsink/fan right now?
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Had a xaser III on my dads He hated it it sucked for cooling and was bulky and heavy. He bought the coolermaster wavemaster. I love it but I am stuck with my chieftec since i spend all my money are faster parts
  • edited December 2003
    The CPU heatsink and fan are the one that came with the processer itself. I was going to get a new one of those too...so what heatsink and fans do you like?
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    SLK-900 with a 53cfm mechatronics for performance or get a sunon 92mm and thats a hair less performance but its quiter
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    There are three really good socket A heatsinks right now:
    Thermalright SLK-800A, SLK-800U
    Thermalright SLK-900A, SLK-900U
    Thermalright SP-94

    In terms of fans...

    For the SLK-800:
    Thermaltake SmartFan2

    For the SLK-900 & SP-94:
    Sunon KD1209PTB2-6, Enermax Adjustable 92mm, or YS Tech 66cfm 92mm (www.svc.com has them)
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Also, you may find the pic I attached to my latest post (post #20 in the bottom right hand corner, above the edit/quote boxes) in this thread:
    http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6873
  • edited December 2003
    I've been very happy with my Antec except the fact that it weighs a ton with everything in it. I got it for $100 shipped from Staples, comes with an Antec 430 True Power Supply. That PS is $70 alone from Newegg. If it were a little taller it would be perfect. The case has been moved from home to school several times and protects and the good stuff inside real well. It also is my monitor stand sort of, very sturdy.
  • edited December 2003
    I'll look at those Heatsinks here in a minute. I checked out your post in the other forum and I am assuming then that a Cheiftec( Directron) Dragon case would have similar airflow patters to the Antec SX1240 if I did not have a side case fan. Ok I havent searched much, but the Thermalright SP-94 I found so far isn't for socket A.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    I realized that earlier today... the SP-94 is the intel version. The AMD version is the SP-97 I think... Let me double check, tho.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Yeah, so the revised list would be:
    SLK-800A/SLK-800U
    SLK-900A/SLK-900U
    SLK-947U
    SP-97
  • edited December 2003
    I kinda like the SLK 900-A, I like the idea of having a 92mm fan, but Ill look at the SLK-947U to see which I like better since Idon't know what size fan it take or anything yet.
  • Al_CapownAl_Capown Indiana
    edited December 2003
    SLK 800 takes 80MM fans, everything else Geeky1 listed takes 92mm fans.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    The SLK-900, 947, and SP-97 all take up to a 92mm fan; they'll also take 80mm and 70mm fans.

    The SLK-800 will take up to a 80mm fan; it will also take 70mm fans, tho.
  • edited December 2003
    OK thanks for telling me. I also have another question about overclocking, you said my ram had to be 33MHz, did you mean it has to be in Mhz or does it just have to be DDR333, because when I looked on newegg and tried to find what I had only one type of RAM was higher than 33MHZ and it was listed at like 800 while a DDR333 was only in the 130's range. Just wondering becuase I found what I think I ordered, had a list of most of the part though it might not be the current one, and my ram is indeed DDR333, and supposedly my mobo only takes 266 and 333 but niether are above 333MHz speed accourding to neweggs speed listing which could be wrong.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Actually I said 333MHz ;)

    DDR333 (PC2700) is "333MHz" (it's actually technically 166MHz, but it's effective speed is 333MHz)

    And DDR is backwards compatible; you could get PC3200 (DDR400/"400MHz"/200 Actual MHz), or even faster, but your board may not let it run faster than 166MHz.
  • edited December 2003
    Sorry the 33Mhz was a typo, however I just found that my ram isn't DDR333, it is sadly DDR266, so I am guess that I can't overclock with that ram right? Why does it have to be 333?
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    It HAS to be 333MHz, because the 3000+ has a 333MHz FSB... unless you're running the RAM at a lower speed than the CPU...

    Do me a favor, if you would.

    Download SiSoft Sandra 2004 Standard from:
    http://download.com.com/3000-2086-10229189.html?tag=lst-0-1

    Install it, and once it's done, open it, and run "the mainboard information" program.

    When that's done, hit the "copy to clipboard" button in the bottom of the results window, and post those results here.

    Thanks.

    //Edit
    Also do the same with the
  • edited December 2003
    That was a usefull program, and I guess i didn't think my memory had to be the same speed as my CPU. SO anyways heres the results.

    SiSoftware Sandra

    System
    Manufacturer : VIA Technologies, Inc.
    Model : KT400-8235
    ID : FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF-FFFFFFFF

    Mainboard
    MP Support : 1 CPU(s)
    MPS Version : 1.10
    Model : KT400-8235

    System Memory Controller
    Location : Mainboard
    Error Correction Capability : None
    Number of Memory Slots : 3
    Maximum Installable Memory : 768MB
    Bank0/1 - A0 : DIMM 512MB
    Bank2/3 - A1 : DIMM 512MB
    Bank4/5 - A2 : DIMM 512MB

    Chipset 1
    Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT8377 Apollo KT400 CPU to PCI Bridge
    Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI IMB USB i2c/SMBus
    Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)
    Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 166MHz / 2x 200MHz
    Width : 64-bit
    IO Queue Depth : 4 request(s)

    Chipset 1 Hub Interface
    Type : V-Link
    Width : 8-bit
    Full Duplex : Yes
    Multiplier : 1/1x
    Speed : 8x 66MHz (528MHz data rate)
    IO Queue Depth : 9 request(s)

    Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
    Bank 0 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 2CMD
    Bank 2 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 2CMD
    Bank 4 : 512MB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-7CL 2CMD
    Bank Interleave : 4-way
    Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)
    Multiplier : 1/1x
    Width : 64-bit
    Power Save Mode : No
    Fixed Hole Present : No

    APIC 1
    Version : 0.03
    Speed : 16MHz
    Multiplier : 1/2x
    Maximum Interrupts : 24
    IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes
    Enhanced Support : No

    Memory Module(s)
    Memory Module 1 : SpecTek 05039E14 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
    Memory Module 2 : SpecTek 110161A8 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
    Memory Module 3 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)

    Environment Monitor 1
    Model : ITE IT8705/12 ISA
    Mainboard Specific Support : No

    Environment Monitor 2
    Model : NS LM83
    Version : 2.01
    Mainboard Specific Support : No

    Temperature Sensor(s)
    Board Temperature : 34.0°C / 93.2°F
    CPU Temperature : 51.0°C / 123.8°F
    Power / Aux Temperature : 54.0°C / 129.2°F
    HD / Aux Temperature : 34.0°C / 93.2°F td
    PCI / Aux Temperature : 62.0°C / 143.6°F td

    Cooling Device(s)
    Auto Fan Speed Control : No
    CPU Fan Speed : 4116rpm

    Voltage Sensor(s)
    CPU Voltage : 1.65V
    Aux Voltage : 3.31V
    +3.3V Voltage : 3.01V
    +5V Voltage : 5.08V
    +12V Voltage : 9.73V
    -12V Voltage : -9.32V
    -5V Voltage : -2.69V
    Standby Voltage : 2.18V

    AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
    Version : 3.05
    Speed : 8x 66MHz (528MHz data rate)
    Multiplier : 1/2x
    Fast-Writes Enabled : No
    Isochronous Mode Enabled : No
    Addressing Enabled : 32-bit
    Aperture Size : 64MB

    PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
    Version : 2.10
    Number of Bridges : 1
    PCI Bus 0 : PCI (33MHz)
    Multiplier : 1/5x

    LPC Hub Controller 1
    Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT8235 PCI to ISA Bridge
    ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes
    Random Number Generator Enabled : No
    Multiplier : 1/4x
    Speed : 8MHz
    DMA Multiplier : 1/2x
    DMA Speed : 4MHz

    USB Controller 1
    Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
    Version : 1.10
    Interface : UHCI
    Channels : 2
    Speed : 48MHz
    Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
    Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

    USB Controller 2
    Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
    Version : 1.10
    Interface : UHCI
    Channels : 2
    Speed : 48MHz
    Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
    Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

    USB Controller 3
    Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
    Version : 1.10
    Interface : UHCI
    Channels : 2
    Speed : 48MHz
    Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
    Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

    USB Controller 4
    Model : VIA Technologies Inc VT6202 USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller
    Version : 2.00
    Specification : 1.00
    Interface : EHCI
    Channels : 6
    Companion Controllers : 3
    Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
    Addressing Support : 32-bit
    Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

    System SMBus Controller 1
    Model : VIA VT823x SMBus
    Slave Device Enabled : No
    Speed : 16kHz

    Expansion Slot(s)
    PCI0 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available (VIA Technologies Inc ProSavageDDR P4X333 CPU to AGP 2.0/3.0 Bridge)
    PCI1 (2h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
    PCI2 (3h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
    PCI3 (4h) : PCI 32-bit +5V PME Full-Length Available
    AGP (8h) : AGP 32-bit +5V Full-Length Available (ATI Technologies All-in-Wonder 9700 Series (R300))

    Port Connector
    PRIMARY IDE : None - ATA / None
    SECONDARY IDE : None - ATA / None
    FDD : 8251 FIFO - Floppy Disk / None
    COM1 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
    COM2 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
    LPT1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - DB-25 pin female / DB-25 pin female
    Keyboard : Keyboard - PS/2 / PS/2
    PS/2 Mouse : Mouse - PS/2 / PS/2
    USB : USB - None / None
    AUDIO : Audio - None / None

    Performance Tips
    Tip 2530 : MPS 1.4 or later is recommended for MP systems. Check BIOS version.
    Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
    Warning 2508 : All memory slots are full. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive.
    Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
    Warning 2523 : Memory bus speed exceeds memory rated speed. Reduce memory bus speed.
    Warning 2545 : Large memory modules should be Registered/Buffered.
    Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high.
    Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Great, thanks.

    What you have here is a problem:
    Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 167MHz (334MHz data rate)

    vs.

    Memory Module 1 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
    Memory Module 2 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)
    Memory Module 3 : SpecTek 110161A9 512MB 8x(64Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2100U-2533-750 (CL2.5 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)

    Your CPU has a 166MHz bus; your memory is PC2100. I have no idea what speed it's running at for sure, but it appears to be 166MHz (can anyone tell me for sure... can the KT400 run asynch FSB/RAM speeds?)

    You need new RAM...

    Also, your temps look to be high, but your voltages are so far off according to that program that I'm not confident that the temperature results are accurate, either.

    If you could also download this program:
    http://mbm.livewiredev.com/download/MBM5351.EXE

    and install it, if you post your temperatures and voltages I could give you a better idea of what else you'll want to upgrade...

    Also, what power supply do you have in that thing?

    Oh, and you may be interested in running some of the benchmarks in SiSoft Sandra... I'd be interested to see the memory bandwidth benchmark results... that'd help me (or someone else) figure out what speed your ram is actually running at...
  • edited December 2003
    I have an Antec True Control 550 PSU in this coputer so those voltages where off. If anything they should all be a tad higher than what they should be. the 3.3 is at 3.31, 5 is at 5.05, and 12 is at 12.09. I think those values are more accurate. The temp unfortunately probably where relatively close to what I'm seeing which is why I am getting a new case and heatsink and stuff. I will also look into getting new ram that is the correct speed, which brands do you guys like and should I get ECC or does it really matter? I know in one of the overclocking forums some brands mentioned where Muskin and Corsair and Buffalo ( those may be spelled wrong but I'm tired so i don't feel like checking spelling. I will download and run the other program you listed tomarrow.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Yeah, the TrueControl is fine for anything... if it can handle a dual 2500+ system with 4 hard drives and a Radeon 9700 Pro (which is what mine powers, altho right now it's an 8500...) it should handle any single CPU system easily.

    The temps are awful, tho. Awful, awful, awful. The computer should function reliably at those temperatures, but they're high enough to worry me.

    If you want to overclock, you'll need a better heatsink/fan.

    As for RAM, it depends on how much you want to spend. Corsair, Kingston's HyperX, Mushkin, and Buffalo are all excellent.

    Also, you don't have to run that program if you think those temps. are accurate... it's a link to Motherboard Monitor 5, which is the best hardware monitoring software around. It'll tell you your CPU speed, voltages, fan speeds, temperatures, etc.
  • edited December 2003
    Well I use a program that came with computer, I think, called SOYO hardware monitor and that lists tempurature and PSU rail and fan speeds. That is what I have been going by but I could download the other to see if they are similar or not. And yeah I am definately going to get a new case, I like the Cheiftec Dragon case, and am getting the Thermalright SKL-900A heatsink with a Sunon 92mm fans on it which should help cool my system down into low 40's high 30's hopefully. I really dont know I'm just guessing at temps now :p
    I need to look around for ram though and see if I can find a good deal somewhere because I'm not gonna have a really good ammount of money to buy ram with, I might just buy 2 512's to get me by untill I have more money for a third.
    I'll download that other program tomarrow and if my results are drastically different I'll post them but if they are relatively the same I'll probably just post saying that.
  • falcon2003falcon2003 Canada
    edited December 2003
    I have a thermaltake xaser III v1000d series and a Ati 9700 pro all in wonder. The card fits perfect, You just have to use a screw to attach it too the case. You can not use the plastic clips that come with the case. There is no cutting required by you. The case is well built as is a great piece of eye candy. Cooling is the not a whole lot better than any other case. If you are looking for good cooling buy but quiet then buy a thermaltake silent boost http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/volcano/rs/a1889.htm and a kingwin divine 450 watt power supply http://www.furioustech.com/kingwin450/index.php

    I use this power supply in my thermaltake case and it is excellent, I am buying a silent boost next week. One thing to keep in mind is that some motherboards may cause problems when mounting. That is why you may have read about the cutting of the 9700. I am using an aopen ak79d-400 max nforce 2. If you have any questions feel free to ask!

    Dave
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