Socket 423 - BAD ;[

Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
edited December 2003 in Hardware
A friend's P4 system has broken HSF mounting clips. I need new mounts or a new HSF that comes with some new ones. Cheap! ..if new HSF.. QUIET. This system is going in about a month, so it's not worth but $20 or so.

I can find 1 decent socket 423 HSF.. $12 but it's clip style. The motherboard he has has capacitors _right_ above the socket, making me not-so-sure it's possible to use a clip. I can't get a picture of the board, because I don't know the model number. It's an Albatron socket 423, 2 DDR slots, 2 SDRAM slots, red PCB, northbridge has no mounting holes. Anyone know?! If we can find a picture, and figure out the clip situation.. I'll be a happy man :)

I'm mad that a 2 year old socket requires an expensive HSF ($40, $58) to use the mounting holes :wtf:

So, if anyone got lost: I need socket 423 mounts to attach a HSF ;[

Reason 22343 Intel Sucks: Pointless socket changes ;[



P.S. He's going AMD for Christmas.. yahooo :)
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  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    http://nexfan.com/gainp4wico42.html
    http://nexfan.com/aocinp4wico4.html
    http://nexfan.com/zacnqucpucok.html

    And the socket change was not pointless; it was necessary to reach speeds >2GHz.
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    And the socket change was not pointless; it was necessary to reach speeds >2GHz.

    ;D


    Thanks for the links.. I'll take a look :)
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited December 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    http://nexfan.com/gainp4wico42.html
    http://nexfan.com/aocinp4wico4.html
    http://nexfan.com/zacnqucpucok.html

    And the socket change was not pointless; it was necessary to reach speeds >2GHz.

    Nah, it was pointless in regards to the 2GHz barrier.

    Intel wanted to cut production costs by shrinking to the 0.13 micron process and remove the excess green PCB around the actual die that was used to run extra connection & ground lines.

    It still could have been done with Willamette, but they would have had to re-spin the ASIC and completely re-design the packaging. Nothing to do with 2 GHz, as those cores could do 2.6 no problemo. :)

    Willamette simply was too expensive to produce. ;)

    Unfortunately for the consumer, Intel never really reduced their CPU prices to fall in line with their production cost savings, screwing over the customer :D
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Ok, ok.. the socket change was pointless to me.. and _almost_ everyone else ;)

    I ordered one of those last night.. Thanks Geeky
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    And the core retool was to deal with the ****ty heat problems, and to address the fact that williamettes were getting beat by PIIIs.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Which heatsink did you end up ordering?
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Which heatsink did you end up ordering?

    http://nexfan.com/aocinp4wico4.html

    It looks 90% like the current one... So it was probably the best bet.
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Thrax had this to say
    And the core retool was to deal with the ****ty heat problems, and to address the fact that williamettes were getting beat by PIIIs.

    What's this were BS? Get your tenses straight!

    -drasnor :fold:
  • celchocelcho Tallahassee, FL Member
    edited December 2003
    it's funny how all this stuff is thought of in the short term, but processors are designed in the long term. they knew for a long time the p4 was slower than the p3, so in a way, i guess i was designed to be like that.
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Not really. Intel had to get the Pentium 4 out the door so it looked like they were competing with the Athlon XP. Hence, Socket423 and the Williamette core. The Pentium III Tualatin stomped all over the Pentium 4 Williamette, a fact that Intel wasn't real happy about so they stopped making Pentium III's (how would you feel if your latest generation processor at 1.8GHz was getting its butt stomped by your last generation processor at 1.4GHz). The first real P4 is the Northwood, which still gets kicked by the Tualatin though not as badly. They could ramp up the core speed on the Northwood due to the longer pipe though.

    The Tualatin may have been down, but certainly not out. Intel shrunk the core, added more cache, and called it Centrino. Intel marketing had to do a complete 180 with their "GHz is God" marketing ploy since the 1.7GHz Centrino stomps the mobile P4 2.8GHz and has 3-4x the battery life. Funny, that.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    You sound like me...
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Like I said in another thread, Intel didn't start sucking until very recently. AMD wasn't that great until very recently. I'll go with what's good at the time I buy. However, given the choice between dual tualatins on a 440BX and dual pallys on a 761MPX, gimmie the P3'z. The P3'z will take normal (non-ECC) RAM.

    Of course, i840 is alright too. Dual tualatin's with PC1066 RDRAM would be an interesting overclocking proposition.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Well the fan came today. I opened it, and it doesn't have what I need. Either I can't explain it well or it's that the mounts don't come with HSFs.

    Anyway, paid $17 and now I need to send it back. Well SH*T ;[

    Below I finally got my camera to work, and I snapped a picture of the broken mount (which I need) with the metal clip. I think maybe I just didn't explain to well.

    Could I set the computer on its side, then set the HSF on there (without mounting it at all) and be able to use it? I've got some Antec thermal compound I could use to help keep it on there.

    Why I would even consider doing the above: (because I do everything correctly ;) heh)

    His AMD days are coming soon.. kind of late to reship this one back and then find what I need and wait a week for shipping..

    Plus his knee is broke.. he needs something to do all day. Surf the web, listen to music, and watch videos is what he'll be doing. He wants to shop @ Newegg with me and pick his stuff, so we need a computer some time at least...

    This is a mess... :shakehead

    Oh, the picture: The black thing is what I need. I... "sketched" what is still attached to the MoBo via mounting holes.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Is he going to use the P4 for anything? If not, you could always just use thermal epoxy to permanently bond the heatsink to the chip...
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Is he going to use the P4 for anything? If not, you could always just use thermal epoxy to permanently bond the heatsink to the chip...

    I was thinking about that when I checked to make sure I had some paste to waste. I have some epoxy too.. :buck:

    The only thing I'm worried about is the fact that IF the HSF is glued on, then you can't get the CPU out because the lever is blocked. Thus, making a HSF, CPU, MoBo combo. Would he use any of the parts? I don't know.. So I'd rather try just sitting it there if it'll work. But because the mount is broken (and there apparently aren't any replacements).. you'd almost need it glued on to be able to use that CPU.:eek3:

    Which poses another question. The HSF is 1 lb.. a bit much to have a CPU hold up in a tower case. Could it hold (for now)? Setting it on the side shouldn't be a problem if not.

    I checked some prices. $17 total for the order. Only $10 is refundable.. $5 to ship it back = me screwed. Stuck with a 423 HSF.. and it's too big to become a NB cooler :banghead: (I don't have anything to cut it with)
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    What a mess. Man!

    Save that hs for later needs.
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    I finally found a board with the same layout. The only difference is that I didn't see center clip lips on his zif socket.

    P.S. - Here is a clearer picture of the mounts. The ones in the picture hold on my metal latches, but besides that they're the same type thing. Lotes makes them--but you have to order 1,000s at a time.. from TW ;[

    And now... Feel my pain :bawling:
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    You could order a Zalman heatsink from nexfan, as they bolt onto the board, but that would mean spending $30+$7 for shipping...
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    WOW. That looks exactly like the hole spacing on the MSI Master2-FAR dual Opteron board. We figured out that it uses the Xeon holes, but I can tell you right now that in the process of figuring that out I had to look at a LOT of Xeon boards. Those are Intel Xeon heatsink retention modules, so see if you can find Xeon heatsinks that include replacement retention modules.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Park_7677 had this to say
    Which poses another question. The HSF is 1 lb.. a bit much to have a CPU hold up in a tower case. Could it hold (for now)?


    Anyone know? I'd like to go do it tonight... so ASAP would be appreciated :D
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    I doubt it. You could always try it, and if it rips out the CPU say "Oops, hehe. Silly me. Oh well, time to get one of those S423 to S478 adapters and a 1.7GHz Celeron, I guess." :D
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    lol. Screw that, I've got AMD set :D Over my dead body Intel is going back into that case.

    Anyway, I got an idea. In addition to OR instead of epoxy.. could I get something _like_ pipe cleaners and tie it on there? The heatsinks have a notch cut out of them that pipe cleaners would sit in perfectly, then down and through the mounting holes twisting it tight to hold it. I would have to come up with something that's strong but non-conductive... Pipe cleaner wrapped in electrical tape? ;D

    /me is an effing genius :ninja:
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    this sounds stupid but should work. I made a picture to help a friend understand..

    Red= Mobo
    Green = Mounting Holes
    Blue = meh l33t pipe cleaners
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    doubt it. I've tried stuff like that before using string, and it couldn't even hold a 60x25mm fan.

    Also, pipe cleaners are generally uninsulated. You'll probably short the board out.
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    1) Well a strip of metal wire should hold much better than a string.. My logical thinking anyway. ;)

    2) That's where my electrical tape comes into play.

    ... Digging around I found a spare CD-ROM audio cable.. possibly better yet... although maybe a bit thick. I'll have to work on this in my head while sitting aimlessly in school tomorrow..
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Anyone see my post about the Xeon HSRM? I'm told they come with some Xeon heatsinks.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Yeah, I saw. Thanks for the input, it's just I don't have any more money to through at this thing but $1 for some pipe cleaners or something.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    10/1 says the pipecleaner doesn't wield the requisite retaining force to make a proper contact.
  • ArmoArmo Mr. Nice Guy Is Dead,Only Aqua Remains Member
    edited December 2003
    park the same thing happened to me with my p4ita, i had to buy a swiftech mcx423 essentially its the mcx 462 with a conversion to fit the mounting holes, try finding heat sinks like that, no other method will work, i tried expoy and super glue and neither worked suffenciantly
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    "Oops, hehe. Silly me. Oh well, time to get one of those S423 to S478 adapters and a 1.7GHz Celeron, I guess." :D
    Seriously consider this option. I was at Frys today, and they had one of these for $0.90 USD, which includes the adapter and what looked like a new HSRM.

    -drasnor :fold:
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