Undocumented 2-tone Siren + NF7-S: Old boards only? Nope.

ThraxThrax 🐌Austin, TX Icrontian
edited March 2004 in Hardware
I have a brand new NF7-S 2.0 sitting here. Came from Newegg.

Has a new NB heatsink type on it (It's uncolored aluminum, as opposed to the NF7-S old greyish one on my other 3.. The one that's been there since the 1.2's release). So I know this is REALLY new.

It's got a JIUCB/DUT3C (Ugh) 1700 sitting in it.. And the thing gets past post, then sirens out and crashes at a 133 bus.

CMOS has been cleare repeatedly, I worked the components down to board and chip alone.

Thought you could get away from this glitch by buying a new NF7-S? Seems not.

I'm pissed. :mad2:

Atleast it's not my PC.

Comments

  • panzerkwpanzerkw New York City
    edited December 2003
    I had the same problem (Post, siren, crash).

    Solved it by turning the case unto its side.

    Checked heatsink (SLK-800) to make sure it was tight and fitted correctly, it was. But I can't run my computer standing up, it has to be on its side.

    If it's standing, Post, Siren, Crash.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    wtf panzer?

    How the hell did you find that out?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I've got an SLK-947 sitting on it. The MFer is bolted on TIGHT.

    I'll tip it and see what happens.

    //EDIT:

    No go. I'm so pissed that even a P4 looks good right now.
  • panzerkwpanzerkw New York City
    edited December 2003
    Mackanz wrote:
    wtf panzer?

    How the hell did you find that out?

    Computer was standing, Post Siren Crash

    Set CPU to lowest speeds. Post Siren Crash

    Checked heatsink fit, wiped off the CPU and put a fresh film of AS5...

    Post, Siren, Crash.

    "WTF...turn this be-otch on its side and see what happens. Maybe the heatsink just won't sit right."

    Turn it on its side, it works perfectly. Why, who knows.
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Grounding problems? Most cases have plastic feet, so turning it on the side touches to metal.

    The side thing once worked for me, it was because of grounding. After I knew that was it, I just took out some of the plastic feet and let it sit at a small tilt so the metal was touching.

    Never figured out why that was happening though..

    As for how I figured it out... a friend suggested it ::shrug::
  • panzerkwpanzerkw New York City
    edited December 2003
    Thrax wrote:
    No go. I'm so pissed that even a P4 looks good right now.

    No Thrax...anything but that
  • panzerkwpanzerkw New York City
    edited December 2003
    Park_7677 wrote:
    Grounding problems? Most cases have plastic feet, so turning it on the side touches to metal.

    The side thing once worked for me, it was because of grounding. After I knew that was it, I just took out some of the plastic feet and let it sit at a small tilt so the metal was touching.

    Never figured out why that was happening though..

    As for how I figured it out... a friend suggested it ::shrug::

    Grounding...maybe. It does have plastic feet, but it was sitting on carpet the whole time. I don't think that was the issue. Post Siren Crash isn't 100% of the time. The computer actually ran for a morning without problem before the machine stopped and I got the siren.

    I had trouble booting after that, so now I'm scared to stand it back up again.
  • edited December 2003
    Thrax wrote:
    No go. I'm so pissed that even a P4 looks good right now.


    Let's not say anything we cannot take back...
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Well I would suggest doing an out-of-case build (don't kill it!) ;) Allows for everything to be reconnected and everything's out for you to look at.

    If problem still exists, start swapping things out.. PSU, CPU, whatever you feel like.

    I've never had this problem, so I'm kind of dry on specific suggestions.
  • panzerkwpanzerkw New York City
    edited December 2003
    I heard that you could always do an out-of-case build to get your hardware set, then once everything (including software) is ready you go ahead and stick it in the case.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I've got the plank of wood lined up.

    But I don't feel like ****ing with it tonight because I'm pissed off and I hate the thing.
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    They fixed that problem with bios v1.7 but check your settings anyway.
    Also, if the HSF doesn't spin fast enough at bootup, you get the siren as well.

    http://www.abit-usa.com/downloads/bios/bios_revision.php?categories=1&model=124
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I have 3 other NF7-S; and none of them have CPUFAN RPM monitors connected, and none of them do this.. Well, one does it, but only at 220MHz FSB or 1.95v.

    I would flash BIOS if I could even get a little bit past POST.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Look in BIOS, see if it defaulted to find the CPU HS FAN. If yes, no sense lead = 0 RPM equals immediate OH shutdown. Use brass studs instead of feet, and see if CMOS cell change helps a LOT. Also, disable intrusion detect circuit in BIOS if it has one of those options.

    My very different boards also two-tone on OH, and turning off the CPU FAN monitor in BIOS of one fixed that mobo's problem. Other CPU\HS\mobo combo HAS a SENSE lead on fan. But both two-tone OH, and some boxes will alarm off CMOS cell for ahort time, which eats CMOS cell juice a lot.

    I begin to wonder, though if there is a BIOS flash to fix this kind of thing for this rev of your boards, as there have been many two-tone fixes for soem boards that were due to a video card non-detect and bad grounding due to not enough brass studs to bond board to case and then PSU chassis being used caused the environmental chip to malfunction. Some boards share environmental chip ground plane with other chips, some have an almost isolated environmental chip and then the stud and screw ground point nearest environmental chip is best set up as grounded-- no plastic foot there, or the environmental chip may false report all kinds of things and do a shutdown. I have seen boards where if certain ground mount points are NOT used, board massively malfs.

    John.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I've run it on wood.
    Removed everything but the CPU.
    Swapped memory.
    Cleared CMOS.
    Hotflashed its bios to v20.
    Swapped PSU.
    Hooked up the CPUFAN RPM sensor.
    There is not environmental chip.
    The BIOS doesn't load, John. It posts, then shuts off.
    There is no intrusion detection on the NF7-S.
    There are no key mount points on the NF7-S.
    CMOS Cell has been replaced.
    Heatsink has been remounted.
    Fresh AS5 has been applied.
    Swapped video cards.
    Swapped power rails being used.
    Disconnected all but crucial power draws to both PSUs tested.

    Anything I missed in troubleshooting?
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    Looks like you covered everything to me...

    Could you swap BIOS chips and flash it using another of your NF7-S boards?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Hotflashed its bios to v20.
  • Park_7677Park_7677 Missouri Member
    edited December 2003
    You're good :p



    Guess I missed that :-/
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Pressure from HSF installation onto socket, maybe pulling something up or grounding out on the back of the mobo? While still out on the plank, remove mounting hardware and just *rest* HSF on cpu & give it a go.

    I recognize this is a big shot in the dark/last ditch suggestion.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Time to stop debugging, and start fixing. I suggest you use a sledgehammer.
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Maybe the mobo is just fubar'ed...
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I'm with Keto on trying the HS without the backplate as it could be causing a short (long shot but worth a try). If that doesn't work then it's clearly RMA time.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Disassembled the entire computer ANOTHER time, and put it all back together.

    Works fine. I've rebooted it, turned it on and off a billion times.

    PFM rocks.
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I'm scared to ask but what is PFM?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited March 2004
    Pure ****ing magic.
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited March 2004
    Holy thread resurrection Batman!!!1
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited March 2004
    Somebody linked it in another new thread. So I read it and replied.
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