Well considering this is sparked by Zombieland, 28 days is not about zombies, and you have the remake of Dawn of the Dead(epic film) where there are fast and smartish zombies. They know to crawl into holes and are fast paced but if you extend the series out to Land of the Dead then there is the idea that zombies are actually aware and have enough of a brain left to use tools, mimic, and learn basic concepts. So in my mind this shows that any physical feat that a human can do a zombie would be able.
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AnnesTripped Up by Libidos and HubrisAlexandria, VAIcrontian
edited November 2009
It does say, specifically, in the thread that these are "fast zombies." That makes me think 28 Days Later (yes, I know it's "rage" and not zombies, but whatever.)
It does say, specifically, in the thread that these are "fast zombies." That makes me think 28 Days Later (yes, I know it's "rage" and not zombies, but whatever.)
I dispute this! I know it's the rage virus and all... but I contend that they are still zombies. The fact that 28 days later is the #2 best zombie movie of all time according to Stylus Magazine supports my assertion. Can't be a zombie movie if it doesn't have zombies amirite?
But you didn't have to die to become an "infected" so if zombies are the undead or the living dead then how does someone who is still alive considered a zombie.
28 Days Later is an action/horror film influenced by notions of both post-apocalypticism and zombie culture itself. "The Infected" are not the traditional 'zonbi' of Haitian folklore or the living-dead slaves of old Hollywood monster movies. Nor are they the George A. Romero-styled reanimated corpses that feed on uninfected flesh. But they are still mindless drones who act in numbers, rather than individually. They do not eat, speak, rationalize, form new ideas or even determine how they will make their next move, instead acting purely on base instincts.
To me, since a zombie isn't a real well defined by science thing, I'd say it meets the general criteria of a zombie. Plus, how do we know that the rage virus doesn't actually kill it's host anyway?
When they are at the check point after the group leaves the city the dad gets a drop of blood in his eye and turns into an infected and all he does is jerk and within 10 secs turns. By all appearances he does not die, also by the fact he remains standing the entire time.
I think a zombie is well defined, you have to be dead and then you get back up and eat people to survive, and the people you bite will die and then become a zombie.
If you want to live by the strict definition, so be it. All I know is that I see 28 Days Later and I say Zombie. The full process may not conform fully to the Zombie mythos but the mannerisms certainly do. I chalk the slight difference up to creative license.
If you want to live by the strict definition, so be it. All I know is that I see 28 Days Later and I say Zombie. The full process may not conform fully to the Zombie mythos but the mannerisms certainly do. I chalk the slight difference up to creative license.
If anyone was going to go by actual zombie mythos, then none of these movie zombies are 'actual' zombies anyway.
a zombie (or zombi) is part of the voodou folklore. It's said that a bokor (voodou sorcerer) can reanimate the dead alchemically, then control them with strong words, or a pwen or power object (like a doll). They usually could only control one at a time, there was no way to loose control of them, they did not hunger for brains, and coming into contact with them did not make you into one of them. Also, eventually god would require the soul back, so zombies could only last for a short time.
Just like vampires and fairies and a multitude of other mythological creatures, zombies in pop culture don't much resemble the original folklore. Every author who writes about them casts them just a little bit differently, and our cultural idea of them becomes a sort of amalgam of the many interpretations.
In other words: It's pointless to argue about whether or not something is a 'real' zombie.
If you want to live by the strict definition, so be it. All I know is that I see 28 Days Later and I say Zombie. The full process may not conform fully to the Zombie mythos but the mannerisms certainly do. I chalk the slight difference up to creative license.
^^ Ardi, let's get together and watch 28 Days Later. kthx.
Melee Weapon of choice:
...because it has to be. Ranged Weapon of choice:
...Classic, and i was good with it in CS... Fortress of choice:
Wal-Mart: Food, weapons, and every day low prices. Solo or grouped, and why:
If Wags is not trying to eat my brains she can come too, because i said so. Long-term survival plan:
Keep moving.
I'm surprised flame weapons (exception shishkebab) haven't been used yet. I hear dead flesh burns fairly well, and since even the rage zombies weren't all that brilliant I'd imagine a raging inferno of undead hellions with something as simple as a gas can and matches.
I'm surprised flame weapons (exception shishkebab) haven't been used yet. I hear dead flesh burns fairly well, and since even the rage zombies weren't all that brilliant I'd imagine a raging inferno of undead hellions with something as simple as a gas can and matches.
Any type of flame thrower or gas can and matches would be cumbersome to carry around.
Melee Weapon of choice: Hmm, a chainsaw or similar falls to mind, but it's short term, since fuel could be hard to come by.. I think I'll either go for the crowbar or a rather long blade of some sort.
Ranged Weapon of choice: Scoped AG-3F1 with 'nade launcher. Ammo isn't hard to come by, although 'nades could be problematic after a while. Why? Yes, it's heavy and big, but a 20 round mag, combined with it's 'accurate to 3000 meters' myth, and the fact that it's easy to maintain and repair makes it my weapon of choice.
Fortress of choice: North Pole. Too cold for zombies. Or maybe I'll join CB on his ship, I guess he needs some crewmen.
Solo or grouped, and why: Some form of group preferably. Someone to chew on when food reserves are depleted, plus company and security until that time.
Long-term survival plan: Loot as much booze and food as possible, and then drink and kill zombies, and try to reproduce with some (preferably) human female, until I die of disease or hunger or get killed by zombies.
Interesting idea from a movie I picked up, The Vanguard. People who are immune or have something in their immune system that fights against a zombie virus or the zombie thing entirely can get receive a bite and it cures the attacker as it kills them.
The North Pole seems like a good idea Jokke... unless you've read World War Z. Part of that book details how lots of people tried to flee to the arctic to escape the zombies. That lead to overcrowding which made outbreaks worse. Then when winter hit people started dying from the cold and starving because they didn't have a good stockpile of food. Also, in that book at least, the zombies would survive freezing so there would be outbreaks every spring even after the zombie apocalypse had been largely put down everywhere else. Food for thought
Ranged Weapon of choice: Just one? Definitely, Definitely, a Shotgun. Probably a 20 guage. Dont really need a 12 or a 10 to pop a skull, and the lower recoil would be handy for rapid firing.
Fortress of choice: The family farm in ND, or in Mitchell, SD, there is a Cabelas, Menards, and TSC, and Walmart all in one little area, separate from the rest of the town. Heaven. Even better? The national guard armory is spitting distance away.
Solo or grouped, and why: Grouped. Why? All my relatives are as good with weapons as me, or better, and one of my favorite passtimes with my friends in my younger years was hunting. Someone who knows how and when to use their weapons FTW.
Long-term survival plan:
Lets do this! Oh, I forgot to mention - Fast Zombies, I refuse to believe that any country with an organized military could be overtaken by shamblers.
Long Term Survival Plan: Fort up until the swarm dies down, then reinforce some military vehicles and head towards the hills. Its pretty easy to live off the land, taking some cattle and sheep along will seal the deal. Find a nice valley, clear any brush for solid range of fire, and keep lookouts on the nearby peaks, make sure nothing can sneak up on you. Set up motion sensor borders linked to cameras all around, if the gasoline and generators are available for running such luxuries. If not, keep to terrain and dependable shots to keep the zombies at bay.
A swarm of zombies charging across a cleared and flat field while facing miniguns.. isnt much of a threat, IMO.
Melee Weapon of choice:
Whatever I can get my hands on. I'd try to somehow improvise a shield and use something like a hand axe if possible. Failing that, screwdriver on a stick!
There's a garden center just down the road so that would probably be somewhere I'd go to "equip" myself.
Ranged Weapon of choice:
I'd say a handgun but they're illegal in the UK (I think), so getting hold of one would be very hard, if not impossible. I think I'd probably end up with some form of hunting rifle or shotgun as a back up.
I've seen some air rifles and stuff, but I wouldn't know how useful they are against zombies so I probably would only carry one if I found it and it worked.
Fortress of choice:
Tough one. Either a barricaded temporary fort in the middle of a field (so nothing can sneak up) or try to get as high as possible. A farmhouse would also be a prime location, 'cos at least you'd be able to keep even slightly warm. Somewhere with a net connection could also be quite useful to try to locate other survivors without seriously broadcasting your location in an immediate way.
Solo or grouped, and why:
Grouped as quickly as possible. As much as I prefer winging it alone, I wouldn't last two minutes. At least if I'm with other people, they can watch my back and I can watch theirs, and it's company. We'd also get supplies a lot quicker and it'd be safer in general.
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But seriously, hm. I'm on an estate, but it's mainly "chavs" and old people, so getting to the local offies for supplies would be fairly easy. I'd also nab a bike helmet and a dirtbike from someone (there's plenty of 'em around here). Failing that, I'd try to get a car or something a bit safer/more practical
I'd somehow tie my supplies to the bike and 'cos I'm not far from fairly open ground I should be able to set up a camp or something and keep relatively safe. I wouldn't know what to do about guns, but there's a load of farms around here so I could probably try to salvage what I can from them. At least I can always get supplies from them if there's no weaponry.
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To me, since a zombie isn't a real well defined by science thing, I'd say it meets the general criteria of a zombie. Plus, how do we know that the rage virus doesn't actually kill it's host anyway?
I think a zombie is well defined, you have to be dead and then you get back up and eat people to survive, and the people you bite will die and then become a zombie.
If anyone was going to go by actual zombie mythos, then none of these movie zombies are 'actual' zombies anyway.
a zombie (or zombi) is part of the voodou folklore. It's said that a bokor (voodou sorcerer) can reanimate the dead alchemically, then control them with strong words, or a pwen or power object (like a doll). They usually could only control one at a time, there was no way to loose control of them, they did not hunger for brains, and coming into contact with them did not make you into one of them. Also, eventually god would require the soul back, so zombies could only last for a short time.
Just like vampires and fairies and a multitude of other mythological creatures, zombies in pop culture don't much resemble the original folklore. Every author who writes about them casts them just a little bit differently, and our cultural idea of them becomes a sort of amalgam of the many interpretations.
In other words: It's pointless to argue about whether or not something is a 'real' zombie.
^^ Ardi, let's get together and watch 28 Days Later. kthx.
...because it has to be.
Ranged Weapon of choice:
...Classic, and i was good with it in CS...
Fortress of choice:
Wal-Mart: Food, weapons, and every day low prices.
Solo or grouped, and why:
If Wags is not trying to eat my brains she can come too, because i said so.
Long-term survival plan:
Keep moving.
Any type of flame thrower or gas can and matches would be cumbersome to carry around.
Gotta stay mobile... oh wait, I'm already screwed on that front.
Stupid love of rich foods.
Ranged Weapon of choice: Scoped AG-3F1 with 'nade launcher. Ammo isn't hard to come by, although 'nades could be problematic after a while. Why? Yes, it's heavy and big, but a 20 round mag, combined with it's 'accurate to 3000 meters' myth, and the fact that it's easy to maintain and repair makes it my weapon of choice.
Fortress of choice: North Pole. Too cold for zombies. Or maybe I'll join CB on his ship, I guess he needs some crewmen.
Solo or grouped, and why: Some form of group preferably. Someone to chew on when food reserves are depleted, plus company and security until that time.
Long-term survival plan: Loot as much booze and food as possible, and then drink and kill zombies, and try to reproduce with some (preferably) human female, until I die of disease or hunger or get killed by zombies.
Ranged Weapon of choice:
and once I've burned off ALL the fuel in the USA, I still have onboard a..
M4 Assault Rifle
4x Beretta 9mm
2x M240 Machine Guns
Browning M2 .50 Caliber Machine Gun
and grenades, food, water, etc.
Fortress of choice:
Fort Knox Gold Bullion. No one gets in OR out of this bitch, period.
Solo or grouped, and why:
grouped of course, 3 others. can't play spades alone yanno, and a tank has 4 crewmen.
Long-term survival plan:
Invade Canada, cause even zombies know that place sucks
Ranged Weapon of choice:
Fortress of choice:
grouped, and why:
Long-term survival plan:
See above
Ranged Weapon of choice: Just one? Definitely, Definitely, a Shotgun. Probably a 20 guage. Dont really need a 12 or a 10 to pop a skull, and the lower recoil would be handy for rapid firing.
Fortress of choice: The family farm in ND, or in Mitchell, SD, there is a Cabelas, Menards, and TSC, and Walmart all in one little area, separate from the rest of the town. Heaven. Even better? The national guard armory is spitting distance away.
Solo or grouped, and why: Grouped. Why? All my relatives are as good with weapons as me, or better, and one of my favorite passtimes with my friends in my younger years was hunting. Someone who knows how and when to use their weapons FTW.
Long-term survival plan:
Lets do this! Oh, I forgot to mention - Fast Zombies, I refuse to believe that any country with an organized military could be overtaken by shamblers.
Long Term Survival Plan: Fort up until the swarm dies down, then reinforce some military vehicles and head towards the hills. Its pretty easy to live off the land, taking some cattle and sheep along will seal the deal. Find a nice valley, clear any brush for solid range of fire, and keep lookouts on the nearby peaks, make sure nothing can sneak up on you. Set up motion sensor borders linked to cameras all around, if the gasoline and generators are available for running such luxuries. If not, keep to terrain and dependable shots to keep the zombies at bay.
A swarm of zombies charging across a cleared and flat field while facing miniguns.. isnt much of a threat, IMO.
Ze End!
Whatever I can get my hands on. I'd try to somehow improvise a shield and use something like a hand axe if possible. Failing that, screwdriver on a stick!
There's a garden center just down the road so that would probably be somewhere I'd go to "equip" myself.
Ranged Weapon of choice:
I'd say a handgun but they're illegal in the UK (I think), so getting hold of one would be very hard, if not impossible. I think I'd probably end up with some form of hunting rifle or shotgun as a back up.
I've seen some air rifles and stuff, but I wouldn't know how useful they are against zombies so I probably would only carry one if I found it and it worked.
Fortress of choice:
Tough one. Either a barricaded temporary fort in the middle of a field (so nothing can sneak up) or try to get as high as possible. A farmhouse would also be a prime location, 'cos at least you'd be able to keep even slightly warm. Somewhere with a net connection could also be quite useful to try to locate other survivors without seriously broadcasting your location in an immediate way.
Solo or grouped, and why:
Grouped as quickly as possible. As much as I prefer winging it alone, I wouldn't last two minutes. At least if I'm with other people, they can watch my back and I can watch theirs, and it's company. We'd also get supplies a lot quicker and it'd be safer in general.
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But seriously, hm. I'm on an estate, but it's mainly "chavs" and old people, so getting to the local offies for supplies would be fairly easy. I'd also nab a bike helmet and a dirtbike from someone (there's plenty of 'em around here). Failing that, I'd try to get a car or something a bit safer/more practical
I'd somehow tie my supplies to the bike and 'cos I'm not far from fairly open ground I should be able to set up a camp or something and keep relatively safe. I wouldn't know what to do about guns, but there's a load of farms around here so I could probably try to salvage what I can from them. At least I can always get supplies from them if there's no weaponry.