All I know is that, instead of DLing a single version that works for the majority... it DLs to your PC, and COMPILES to your PC. Not just installing...
go to linuxiso.org, download the 1.4 gentoo live cd, it's only 95MB, you boot off of that. You have to follow the installation instructions found here. The whole system will be compiled specifically for your PC. Be warned though, it will take about a day to finish.
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KwitkoSheriff of Banning (Retired)By the thing near the stuffIcrontian
* kanezfan can tell that RWB is in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooong weekend...
This is true... but if I can get it to work. Then I will be happy I invested the time. Even though I have a Director Project in need of work.
I suppose Compiling takes a good long while, even on a system like mine? So I figure I could just leave my system COMPILING at home, meanwhile just be at school in an Open Lab to do my school work ehh?
yeah, I mean it depends on what you install, and also if you go from a stage 1 or a stage 2. I know this doesn't mean anything right now, but you'll soon learn. I'm using gentoo right now and it rocks. I learned more about linux with two weeks of gentoo than I ever did with 4-5 years of other linux distros. gentoo has the best package management system too, I mean you can usually type in
emerge packagename
and it will install it. It's really sweet. If it says it can't find a package by that name, you just type in
emerge -s packagename
and it will search for something matching what you typed in for packagename. Like yesterday, I was in the mood for some RTCW action. I did emerge wolfenstein, it said it couldn't find it. I did emerge -s wolfenstein, it found wolfenstein in the description, the package is called rtcw. that installs the binaries to launch the game, you just gotta copy the pak0.pk3 files form your windows install over. to me, gentoo might seem like the hardest distro to some, but I think it's the easiest to use.
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KwitkoSheriff of Banning (Retired)By the thing near the stuffIcrontian
edited January 2004
Gentoo is the hardest to install if you start from stage 1, but if you install from stage 3 it's pretty much the same as any other distro. As kanez said, you're in for a loooong weekend when you get up to compiling KDE or Gnome from source. I know it can take upwards of 18+ hours for those.
Gentoo is nice if you want a super-lean system with everything you need and nothing you don't. Frankly, the benefits to me aren't worth the time invested. I use Slackware for my web box and it runs quite lean. The package system for Slack is easy to use and upgrading packages is also a snap. Slack has been out for a long time so it's quite mature. It's also probably the most Unix-like Linux, mostly with the way it uses config files.
Agreed, Slackware has ben my favorite for everything. When I build/Built systems for people who just wanted a machine for email and internet, I used Slack. They have never come to me for any problems other then hardware related.
Slackware is uber simple once you get past the true simplicity of how the installer is built, and that it is not a good GUI.
But this will actually wait till next weekend, perhaps, or some other time. I just found some new **** I wanna try out in Director. I have a game to program, and I have some great ideas for it. I may even have you guys Alpha test it for me
I'll post more on the game later when I get my ideas straightened out. So far I want it to be an RPG, in a 2D world... and hopeffully end up learning enough about the databasing to create a kind of Mutiplayer version.
Maybe even find a way to get it to run on Linux Not many game developers do that and I think they should. It is the gaming industry, if you ask me, that keeps more people from going to Linux. I hate being stuck with Windows.
KDE doesn't take 18 hours unless your machine is 1 500mhz PIII. On an AXP2200+ it will only take a few hours (that is if you only emerge KDEbase and KDElibs which are in essence KDE itself, all the rest are just 3rd party programs). No way in hell is it going to take anywhere near 18 hours on an Athlon-64.
If you do a search and it gives back too much stuff, then just stick "| less" on the end. Same with anything, i.e. "ls -ha | less" or "dmesg | less".
To sync just do "emerge sync", to check what updates are available "emerge -Dup world" and to install them all "emerge -Du world". You may also want to change your ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="" to "~x86-64". And don't forget the March perameters, except I think you need to use Athlon-XP for that as they don't have an Athlon-64 version.
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KwitkoSheriff of Banning (Retired)By the thing near the stuffIcrontian
edited January 2004
Heh, sorry for my Ageekish post. I based it off of my experience when compiling Gentoo on VirtualPC before I tried installing it on a live box. The time it took on VPC was sloooooow, so I scrapped it and went with Slack.
KDE doesn't take 18 hours unless your machine is 1 500mhz PIII. On an AXP2200+ it will only take a few hours (that is if you only emerge KDEbase and KDElibs which are in essence KDE itself, all the rest are just 3rd party programs). No way in hell is it going to take anywhere near 18 hours on an Athlon-64.
Agreed! I just did a stage 1 install on a P4 3.0GHz. From stage1 to fully functioning KDE was less than 8 hours. Probably could have been less if I didn't go to sleep while it was going. :smiles:
Then again I've installed gentoo more times than I can count on my server and desktop pcs over the past 2.5 years...If you are new to linux, gentoo will teach you a lot. It definitely is frustrating at times tho, (especially for a person new to linux) but their forums and irc channels are excellent and the people are generally helpful and not too "leet and condescending". :smiles:
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
edited January 2004
Linux, the way they work, is that the install scripts start with a very basic kernel. Then the base file system is set up. Then a script is run that searches for what is in kernel and what hardware is present, essentially a "modprobe -qa" output file is used with a diff which checks hardware PIDs and modules logged versus the device PIDs actually found as the hardware is loaded. Linux checks hardware at boot, and the first kernel has very little in it. The kernel that is used to get the installed result is precompiled, but not all modules included have to be used from the second built (part of kernel building is to deactivate the unneeded modules that can be deactivated) kernel. Gentoo is neat cuz it in essence lets you use almost any kernel source you provide and compiles from that base. And the installer searches for "best kernel" based on the sources available from the Gentoo gang sources via FTP. SuSE can search for kernels and decide which to use based on a HW probe, Slackware you in fact can easily roll your own kernel based on slackware compatible modules that Slackware has indexed and made available, and Gentoo has tuned more kernels for mnodern things than either as the base is mostly user provided.
Essentially, the more you get toward Gentoo and away from the Fedora Project 1.0 or Lindows 4.0, the more you end up rolling your own software set (from kernel up), and in essence rolling a custom Linux earlier in the install process. Mandrake strikes a medium between these two ends, it has a whole set of optional kernels on CD ISOs and then for most scenarios the Linux install script set figures out which to use. also note, KDE is HUGE in its entirety and some scripts grab all of it in archive form before installing when you do an FTP install. KDE also has very complex deps between its parts these days.
Actually, Gentoo doesn't pick its own kernel at all, you have to specify what you want to use (Vanilla, Gaming, Server, XFS, SMP, etc they are all just minor tweaked ones) or download your own.
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Gentoo has "experimental" support for AMD64 they claim, but what they tell me to do is giberish at best.
This is true... but if I can get it to work. Then I will be happy I invested the time. Even though I have a Director Project in need of work.
I suppose Compiling takes a good long while, even on a system like mine? So I figure I could just leave my system COMPILING at home, meanwhile just be at school in an Open Lab to do my school work ehh?
Gentoo is nice if you want a super-lean system with everything you need and nothing you don't. Frankly, the benefits to me aren't worth the time invested. I use Slackware for my web box and it runs quite lean. The package system for Slack is easy to use and upgrading packages is also a snap. Slack has been out for a long time so it's quite mature. It's also probably the most Unix-like Linux, mostly with the way it uses config files.
Slackware is uber simple once you get past the true simplicity of how the installer is built, and that it is not a good GUI.
But this will actually wait till next weekend, perhaps, or some other time. I just found some new **** I wanna try out in Director. I have a game to program, and I have some great ideas for it. I may even have you guys Alpha test it for me
I'll post more on the game later when I get my ideas straightened out. So far I want it to be an RPG, in a 2D world... and hopeffully end up learning enough about the databasing to create a kind of Mutiplayer version.
Maybe even find a way to get it to run on Linux
If you do a search and it gives back too much stuff, then just stick "| less" on the end. Same with anything, i.e. "ls -ha | less" or "dmesg | less".
To sync just do "emerge sync", to check what updates are available "emerge -Dup world" and to install them all "emerge -Du world". You may also want to change your ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="" to "~x86-64". And don't forget the March perameters, except I think you need to use Athlon-XP for that as they don't have an Athlon-64 version.
Agreed! I just did a stage 1 install on a P4 3.0GHz. From stage1 to fully functioning KDE was less than 8 hours. Probably could have been less if I didn't go to sleep while it was going. :smiles:
Then again I've installed gentoo more times than I can count on my server and desktop pcs over the past 2.5 years...If you are new to linux, gentoo will teach you a lot. It definitely is frustrating at times tho, (especially for a person new to linux) but their forums and irc channels are excellent and the people are generally helpful and not too "leet and condescending". :smiles:
Essentially, the more you get toward Gentoo and away from the Fedora Project 1.0 or Lindows 4.0, the more you end up rolling your own software set (from kernel up), and in essence rolling a custom Linux earlier in the install process. Mandrake strikes a medium between these two ends, it has a whole set of optional kernels on CD ISOs and then for most scenarios the Linux install script set figures out which to use. also note, KDE is HUGE in its entirety and some scripts grab all of it in archive form before installing when you do an FTP install. KDE also has very complex deps between its parts these days.
John.