Warer cooling bong.......

ishiiiishiii Cold lake, AB, CA
edited February 2004 in Hardware
Hi guys;
I have been doing some thinking regarding water cooling bongs.
I have put a little spin on it. Using a bong and the cool water it creates to cool a rad.
This idea is not new, I have seen it discussed before (on a different forum) but it was dismissed quickly.
The PROS:
Below ambient cooling on the rad
Bling Bling effect
The CONS:
Cost of two pumps

Below are pics of what I have in mind, it is all to scale.
The case would be made from acrylic and is 20"D x 8 1/8"W x 17 1/4"H.
The rad
Enhiem 1250 pump
The top of the case would have a window that had large hex modders mesh in it, and the four pipes would have small holes drilled in it for the water to fall down.

Comments, thoughts and suggestions are more then welcome.

Comments

  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    OK, what's the purpose of running the 'falling' water thru the fins of an unconnected rad? Otherwise, it looks like a really cool project man.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    Why a rad if you already can cool down the water good enough? The rad would only be counter-productive. At least if i understand the project right.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    I think he is just illustrating the idea that real cold water will cool a rad with warm water in it faster than airflow unless the air is real cold to begin with, and ignoring the fact of needing to illustrate the piping of the rest of the cooling system as you would get confused with piping overlapping the illustration. In essence, you get faster cooling of water in RAD PIPEs by using the water as exterior cooling accelleration agent, and can use a smaller rad or a higher pressure flow and still cool closed cooling liquid flow with more water cooled in less time. It was a secondary cooling flow diagram, leaving out the closed circulation of the primary cooling system itself, which is pretty standard.

    The idea set I did not see clerly in that diagram set was this:

    Lets say you use an oversize single pump, and pump the coldest water which is in bottom of main tank back into cooling system from a branch outlet that is smaller than the main outlet used to go into the distribution box that sprays water drops over the radiator. In essence, you then get not only better radiator cooling but also pump coldest water back into system. The metal from teh second radiator then absobs yet more heat from the water dropping though it, and it can be a passive radiator as air will flow up when hot and out of tube and outflow creates a slight suction that simply then suck air in from the other vent pipe of passive radiator. Water at bottom is increasing colder this way, by a bit. I am figuring the main radiator is the horizontal pipe set at top of this tank diagram.

    Remember, South Korea is a REAL warm place. Steamy jungle hot. Folks up north would not need or benefit from this, folks in tropics or Australian outback would.

    John.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited January 2004
    ishii, what's the relative humidity like over there? Evaporative cooling works well, but the more humid it is, the less effective it is.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited January 2004
    The fin idea may be worth pursuing. In my engineer days I spent many a happy (not) hour cleaning the ones found in most cooling towers. If nothing else, this could be a fun experiment.
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  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/47159.html

    Current weather, for Pusan (American English spelling) or Busan (Korean spelling), South Korea. In September humidity can be 80%.

    http://busan.kma.go.kr/asia/english/climate/busanMain.htm

    So, if this were so, only a sealed or forced dry air input system would work in hot months there. For Australian outback, though, they have low humidity most of year and heat also.

    John.
  • ishiiiishiii Cold lake, AB, CA
    edited January 2004
    Well
    Yes I did leave the piping out for the rad only becase I was lazy.
    The piping on the top is actually going to be acrylic, just for some bling bling.

    The main goal of this, if it ever happens, is to have bong cooled water cooling the rad for the loop inside the system. Keeping dirty water out of your blocks.

    Ageek, this project is something that will have to wait six months. Ill be back in Canada then and will attempt this after some practice with acrylic. I would try it here but I would have to order all the watercooling parts, they just dont exsist here.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited January 2004
    If you're going to try it in canada, that's a totally different story.

    I've got an idea or two up my sleeve. I'll try to draw up a diagram tomorrow (in addition to finding a couple of cases for people)...
  • ginipigginipig OH, NOES
    edited January 2004
    False advertising. "Bong" was nowhere near what I expected it to be.

    Btw, what is a bong - w/c-wise?

    My guess is that it works by capitalizing on the change in the temperature of water as it evaporates..thereby cooling the water to sub-ambient temperatures...

    seems kinda hard to build and transport right?
    [edit://FLAME-ProTeCted P0sT]
  • ishiiiishiii Cold lake, AB, CA
    edited January 2004
    Ginipig;
    U are right on the money. A bong is used to cool water threw evaporation for sub ambiient temps.
    Diffucult to transport but I dont think the building of it will be to extreme.
  • ginipigginipig OH, NOES
    edited January 2004
    :topic:
    Quick question Ishii:

    I'm assuming you're on active duty (or not) in the military..

    How do you find the time to do what you do with computers? I mean, my schedule consists of school, car mods, quality time with the lady, and counter-strike. I'm in dire need of a clone of myself, so as to find time to take a dump.

    If your avatar is a tell-tale sign of the kind of life you lead.. Woah!

    How do you do it?
  • ishiiiishiii Cold lake, AB, CA
    edited January 2004
    ginipig;
    I am actually a Canadian teaching english in korea. I have been here for one year with my fiancee, and we just signed a six month extension. We came here together from edmonton alberta canada.
    My avatar is what i think of this place and the people :)
    A step away from third world in many aspects. I cant say my time spent here has been all bad, but I certinly wouldnt want to call it my home.
    Below is where my avatar comes from. I ran into these fine men one day while hiking up in the mountains
  • ginipigginipig OH, NOES
    edited January 2004
    .. is that the Playboy Bunny icon?!

    That's gotta be a cool life, I mean.. I'd be more cultured if I were able to travel the world and absorb different customs like that.

    Btw, how'd it all end? What happened after you met those guys on the hiking trail? That guy in front looked like he wanted to eat you up or something..
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    One thing, acrylic is not a very good condenser. The bling bling will be offset by poor condensation-- I would not run acrylic condensing tubes, it is a better thermal insulator than glass in the sense of carrying temp through tubing material. Outer case could be acrylic though. Glass tubing or metal that is shiny would be a bettter condenser material.

    When back in Canada (or even in Korea if such are used), study a dehumidifier, or look up how one works, on the web. A dehumidifier pulls water out of air primarily with condensation and a COOLED\refrigerated inner flow rad structure, tubes are often hard steel or aluminum or copper in cheap humidifiers. Essentially they are open air flow coolers and invert what you want to do in part, but could be a source of relatively colder water for your passive condensation cooler tank.

    For those of you wondering why if rad is cooled they blow warm air out of back, basicly that is the compressor heat being removed. I played with an old humidifier compressor and stainless tubing, ended up using aluminum. Had some help from a refrigeration repair tech to get compressor sealed and charged. This was WAY back when.

    John.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    Let's see if this will load... Here is how I would rad cool a water pump cooling system, but I would use an ACTIVE rad and gravity flow water through active rad.

    john.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    Referring to above drawing-- The black vertical thing is an outward blowing fan. Some way to force air down, or top vents, would be needed for air flow to cool the vacuum pump (in essence an inverted flow compressor).

    The advantage of a tall water tank is you get increased water pressure into the cooling circuit water pump at bottom of tank, and this is how you can get a small water circulation pump to circulate water in an aquarium also, the water pressure increases as water depth increases.

    John.
  • EyesOnlyEyesOnly Sweden New
    edited January 2004
    ginipig wrote:
    False advertising. "Bong" was nowhere near what I expected it to be.

    Btw, what is a bong - w/c-wise?

    My guess is that it works by capitalizing on the change in the temperature of water as it evaporates..thereby cooling the water to sub-ambient temperatures...

    seems kinda hard to build and transport right?
    [edit://FLAME-ProTeCted P0sT]

    Go here for a nice article about watercooling bongs. i found it through google and didn't have a clue what it was before i read that. Sure i've heard of bongs but never seen one.
  • MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
    edited January 2004
    Great article. Just one 'hit' offa that bad boy and you'd be Gomer for hours bro! ;)
  • ishiiiishiii Cold lake, AB, CA
    edited January 2004
    Ageek that is a great idea.
    Yes I know acrylic is a poor conductor, but it sure would be bling blingy.

    When I get home to canada I think Ill give this a shot, waste a few bucks just to see if it could cool the rad better then with a fan on it.
  • WahoogieWahoogie Marietta, GA, USA
    edited February 2004
    I used to have a bong "tower" cooler... it worked like this:

    3 1/2 Gal bucket was the reservior
    4" PVC piping 1x 1' (bottom) 1x "y" connector, 1x 2'.
    The Waterpump sat in the reservior and pumped cool water to the block, which fed the water to she showerhead, which rained down as the 120mm fan on the 'y' connection blew out, effectively keeping the water well below ambient. My CPU temps with a 2100+ ran around 28-32c with one fan.
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