Goomba Stomp - Interest Gauge
Scratch
Florida, USA
I'm interested in adding a Goomba Stomp plugin.
Now before you sperg out about how I'm killing the sanctity of your vanilla server, read this:
It is off by default and players opt-in on a client-by-client basis.
If you don't want to do it, you don't have to and new players won't by default. A stomp only takes place if both parties have enabled it.
The plugin didn't come this way. I have put in considerable effort into making it as unobtrusive as possible. Here is a list of changes I have made (note: These are not cvars. This wasn't as simple as changing a 1 to a 0. I opened the plugin's source and edited lots of code):
So there are effectively three stances that can be taken:
1) For it (Wants to stomp)
2) Neutral (Doesn't want to stomp, but doesn't care if other people do)
3) Against it (Doesn't want to stop and doesn't want other people to)
So where do the IC community/regulars stand?
Now before you sperg out about how I'm killing the sanctity of your vanilla server, read this:
It is off by default and players opt-in on a client-by-client basis.
If you don't want to do it, you don't have to and new players won't by default. A stomp only takes place if both parties have enabled it.
The plugin didn't come this way. I have put in considerable effort into making it as unobtrusive as possible. Here is a list of changes I have made (note: These are not cvars. This wasn't as simple as changing a 1 to a 0. I opened the plugin's source and edited lots of code):
- New players opt-out by default.
- No sound downloading.
- No global alerts in text chat to someone being stomp killed.
So there are effectively three stances that can be taken:
1) For it (Wants to stomp)
2) Neutral (Doesn't want to stomp, but doesn't care if other people do)
3) Against it (Doesn't want to stop and doesn't want other people to)
So where do the IC community/regulars stand?
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(Teammate stomping will be disabled during normal play.)
The sound that plays during this youtube video is disabled in my edited version of the plugin, however the individual can download it manually if they want to hear it. My version is all about OPTIONS (and unobtrusiveness)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1u9vKgW4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lZkZn4UDFc
It's neat. If both parties have to opt in, I'm cool with it.
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When you enable it, the server stores your preference and it will be enabled whenever you come back.
I could make a chat command instead, if people would prefer. Something like !goomba
Type !goomba in text chat to enable or disable.
I'm not complaining, I'm really curious. I've never played TF2 with this mod.
I think Scratch was trying to put in the opt-in system because he knew some people wouldn't want it. By having it opt-in, people who don't want it won't be discouraged when it comes to playing on the Icrontic server. Obviously it won't be as fun with some players not opting in, but if you're willing to take the risk, it'll be fun.
Anyways, I enjoy goomba stomping, so I vote yes.
I'd almost want it to be opt-out, with some kind of message when you join (only because otherwise there will only be Icrontians and regulars with it enabled, since new players won't know about it)
Oh, and hello.
Then again, I haven't played much Team Hat Trader 2 lately so...
/me shrugs
Well sure, but the heavy's awareness is not the point. My point is that regardless of how carefull the players are with defending their heads, being killed instantly will affect the game for every one of the players. Regardless of your choice to opt in or out, a teammate's death still affects your game.
I recognize that not everyone enjoys non-vanilla play, so why shouldn't I accommodate both sides?
Yeah, sometimes teammates make a choice that has a negative side affect, however if they're not intentionally trying to ruin your game, you should respect their decision.
>TF2
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http://www.tf2items.com/allitems.php
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I'm just simply stating - if an augmentation to the game allows a new one-hit style kill move, then I don't dig it. It almost makes the option of opting in or out silly, since no matter your decision, your game is still being affected by something that wasn't originally intended to be in the game. I dunno, it's just not something I would want.
I don't need to explain how it differs from crits/backstabs, and I don't want to suggest that it's a matter of respecting decisions. I want Icrontic TF2 to not get mucked up by a bunch of extra add-on modifications. Why should I respect their decision, when it's my decision that's being ignored anyways?
Opinions. Fascinating things.
I realize how firmly you're dug in, though. Your opinion is noted and I, for one, respect your decision.
Even if Goomba is enabled by each individual, that could still make or break the experience for everyone else on his or her team. What if a heavy is defending a point and gets stomped? What if a pyro that's been spy-checking the final point gets stomped?
I could come up with a treasure trove of examples to illustrate how voluntarily activation can still compromise and/or totally change the ebb and flow of a game for everyone involved.
Goomba stomping is not the same as criticals or backstabs. It's also categorically dissimilar to being killed by a sniper, or any other natural event of the game. Making sarcastic, fallacious (weak/false analogy anyone?) statements to defend an obvious decision just makes you look foolish.
//EDIT: Asking "what could go wrong?" or "there's support on both sides, why SHOULDN'T we do it?" is a burden of proof fallacy. Rather than asking people to defend against the plugin, supporters should be working to prove why it should be enabled. "Some people want new gameplay" doesn't fly, either: Appeal to Novelty.
You can create hypothetical situations where a single stomp could affect the game and to someone who has never played on a server with it its a big and scary change, even if a small minority are doing it.
However, those of us who have played with the plugin know it does not alter gameplay in any noticeable way, even on servers where stomp is enabled for everyone. In the time I've played on 2f2f (easily more than a couple hundred hours over the last few years), I have never seen a stomp make a difference outside of arena, where a death carries a much heavier consequence. I'm sorry I can't create a logically impervious argument to support that fact.
Turn it on for a couple hours, drink a beer, have a few laughs, then if a few valued community members say, that was fun and all, but I've had enough, then you can turn it off.
I still think the opt in/opt out is just to appease a few people that perhaps take their TF2 a little too seriously. Like I said, I am kind of with Lynx on my preferred brand of TF2, I think its a great game pure, as it is, but once again guys, its just a game, if someone is kind enough to take a little time out of their lives to moderate that server, and they say, guess what everybody, I wanna try Goomba Stomp for an hour, just to see how it plays, guess what, they turn it on, and you give it a fair shake. Is it fun, does it ruin it, who knows until everyone gets together and plays it a little. This is why we game on PC, we can do this crazy stuff just for kicks, again, because ITS ONLY A GAME.