17-inch notebooks

WorriedWorried STOCKPORT UK
edited May 2004 in Hardware
thinking of buying one of these.
quaddra dts pro from www.rockdirect.com
or is there a better one out there for the price?
looking at desktop replacment mainly for games
:scratch:

Comments

  • botheredbothered Manchester UK
    edited February 2004
    Come on guys. This is Worrieds first ever post at S-M and no replys! He's thinking about buying this laptop and would aprieciate your opinions about it. Rally forth S-Mers.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited February 2004
    Missed this post for some reason... :confused: regardless...

    They are apparently selling Clevo notebooks, which are identical to the Sagers we get over here in the States (Clevo OEM's for Sager and a number of other companies).

    Clevo notebooks are excellent, and I love my Sager NP5620, but I would wait a bit before buying one if I were in the market right now. Clevo has a new model on the way that will have a 17" screen with a Radeon 9700m 256MB GPU.

    Also, can you get Emachines notebooks in England?

    And, if you can't wait, get the Xtreme, not the Quaddra DTS Pro. The Xtreme has a smaller screen, but is a far superior machine to the Quaddra. It's got the i865pe chipset, which is vastly superior to the SiS chipset in the Quaddra.
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    I'm pretty deep into notebook research right now, problem is figuring out what's good value in Sterling. I'm moderately familiar with USA pricing and more so with Canadian $ pricing. I don't know what taxes/duties have for impact on imports to British Isles and am not familiar with other European vendors for pricing comparisons.

    The machine specs are outstanding, I'm looking for something very similar. From other threads, members highly recommend 5400 or better yet 7200 rpm hard drives, for speed - at the expense of battery life per charge. The 128MB ATI 9600Pro Mobility is THE graphics chipset to have, especially for gaming.

    I don't see wireless network card mentioned, in North America a traveller can pick up a signal at just about any airport or hotel. 811b or better yet 811g built in or add in isn't usally an expensive option.

    Looks like it has a nice keyboard. Never seen 5 speaker surround on a notebook before, tho with the size the speakers will be don't expect too much - headphones are the way to go imho. 6-in-1 card reader is a nice bonus.

    It looks like a great machine but once again, no comment on the value relative to your location. Similar machine @ 3.0 cpu is going to run around $2,3-2,700 USD + taxes + shipping etc.
  • qparadoxqparadox Vancouver, BC
    edited February 2004
    That company looks to be pretty on the ball with decent warranties and reasonable prices. I personally already have a monster notebook (Dell Latitude D800) and now find myself in the market for something small and managable (looking at a Panasonic Toughbook). I can't really comment on the pricing as I'm not all that familiar with the European market. At 4.2 kg that's also not a light sucker. It'll put a good dent in your shoulder if you plan on carrying it a long ways as with accessories your standard load will easily be 6-7 kg.
  • WorriedWorried STOCKPORT UK
    edited February 2004
    Geeky1 wrote:
    Missed this post for some reason... :confused: regardless...

    They are apparently selling Clevo notebooks, which are identical to the Sagers we get over here in the States (Clevo OEM's for Sager and a number of other companies).

    Clevo notebooks are excellent, and I love my Sager NP5620, but I would wait a bit before buying one if I were in the market right now. Clevo has a new model on the way that will have a 17" screen with a Radeon 9700m 256MB GPU.

    Also, can you get Emachines notebooks in England?

    And, if you can't wait, get the Xtreme, not the Quaddra DTS Pro. The Xtreme has a smaller screen, but is a far superior machine to the Quaddra. It's got the i865pe chipset, which is vastly superior to the SiS chipset in the Quaddra.
  • WorriedWorried STOCKPORT UK
    edited February 2004
    GEEKY 1
    Thanks for that will look into it a bit more.........
    notice you like mercs
    got an A CLASS HAD IT OVER 2 YEARS LOVE ITA GREAT TOWN CAR
  • tano53180tano53180 Lompoc CA
    edited February 2004
    i am also looking for a notebook but i want one with an ATI 9700m i am in the USA dose any one know where i can find one please help me if you can


    :banghead:
    Geeky1 wrote:
    Missed this post for some reason... :confused: regardless...

    They are apparently selling Clevo notebooks, which are identical to the Sagers we get over here in the States (Clevo OEM's for Sager and a number of other companies).

    Clevo notebooks are excellent, and I love my Sager NP5620, but I would wait a bit before buying one if I were in the market right now. Clevo has a new model on the way that will have a 17" screen with a Radeon 9700m 256MB GPU.

    Also, can you get Emachines notebooks in England?

    And, if you can't wait, get the Xtreme, not the Quaddra DTS Pro. The Xtreme has a smaller screen, but is a far superior machine to the Quaddra. It's got the i865pe chipset, which is vastly superior to the SiS chipset in the Quaddra.
  • tano53180tano53180 Lompoc CA
    edited February 2004
    i would like some help i am looking for my first notebook but i want a good one with a ATI 9700m but i am in USA i am looking at sagernotebook.com and i like them but they dont have any with an ATI 9700m can some one please help me and point me where i can find one :scratch:
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited February 2004
    Sager has one coming out any day now. The 8790, I believe. Much the same specs as the 8890 and the 4780(?):
    -17" widescreen
    -4 speakers + a "sub" (sub in laptop speak means like 2" diameter :rolleyes: ), --i865pe chipset w/dual-channel ddr support
    -offered with P4-Cs and -EEs up to 3.4GHz+,
    -will take 2 hard drives in RAID 0 or 1 (maybe more; the 8890 will take 4HDs, 2 RAIDed, 3 if you still want an optical drive)
    -available with built-in bluetooth, 802.11b or g (forgot which)
    -standard gigabit ethernet
    -available DVD burner
    -built-in numeric keypad (separate from the qwerty area) Yeah, it's got a full 104-key keyboard. :D

    www.pctorque.com
    www.sagernotebook.com
    www.powernotebooks.com <--- where I bought my Sager NP5620 "Supra"
  • tano53180tano53180 Lompoc CA
    edited February 2004
    cool do you know where i can find INFO on when it is going to be out and is it going to have the ATI 9700M :bigggrin:
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited February 2004
    It will have the 9700m, and <a href="http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=9961">here</a&gt;
    Adam@PCTorque wrote:
    Sager 8790 SERIES SPECIFICATIONS

    Discuss it HERE

    Processor
    Intel® Pentium® 4 2.4/2.5/2.6/2.8/3/3.2GHz (800FSB) w/HT
    Intel® Pentium® 4 3.2/3.4/3.6GHz (Prescott)

    Core Logic
    Intel® 865PE chipset + ICH5

    Memory
    Dual Channel DDR 266/333/400 (2 DIMM required for Dual channel mode)
    256MB 400MHz DDR SDRAM Expandable to 2048MB
    512KB / 1024KB On-die L2 Cache

    Bios
    4MB Flash ROM BIOS

    Disk Storage
    - Hard Disk Drive
    • PCI Local Bus Interface
    • 2 Detachable 2.5” 9.5mm Hard Disk Drive
    • Supports Ultra DMA HDD for High Speed Access
    - Hardware Raid-0 or Raid-1 with Primary-HDD + 2nd-HDD bay
    - Built-in 7-in-1 Card Reader

    Display
    17” WXGA TFT 1440x900
    256MB DDR Video Memory
    AGP 8X
    ATi Mobility™ Radeon™ 9700 (M11)
    Dual-View Display Capability
    CRT Resolution up to 2048x1536x16M
    Built-in TV-Tuner with Multi-Function Remote

    DVD or CD-ROM Drive
    Detachable 24X CD-ROM
    Interchangeable with 8X DVD-ROM, 24X CD-R/10X CD-RW, DVD/CD-RW, DVD-R/RW Combo drive
    ATAPI Interface

    Audio System
    AC’97 2.2 compliant interface
    Built-in 6ch output Sound System (for 6 external speakers without Ext. decoder)
    S/PDIF Digital output(5.1 CH) for DVD content
    1 Built-in Microphone
    4 Built-in Speakers

    PCMCIA Slot
    PCMCIA 3.0 Standard Compliant
    1 Type II PCMCIA Slot

    Pointing Device
    Integrated Touchpad With Scroll Up/Down key

    Keyboard
    Full Sized Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
    Windows 95 2 Hot keys
    Integrated with Hot Keys for LCD Brightness, Suspend, Panel/CRT Display
    3 Hot Keys for E-Mail, Web Browser. And AP-Key

    Interface
    Infrared Communication, FIR, SIR and ASK Compliant
    1 16c550 Compatible Serial Port
    1 Parallel Port, with ECP/EPP Support
    1 External Keyboard Port
    1 DVI Port
    3 USB 2.0 Ports
    3 Audio Jacks
    • Mic-in & S/PDIF-out or Center & Sub
    • Line-in or Real Left & Right
    • Front Left & Right
    1 RJ-45 LAN (10/100/1000Mbps)
    1 RJ-11 Modem
    1 IEEE 1394 Fire Wire (4pin)
    1 S-video TV-Out
    1 S-video Video-in

    Power System
    1 Lithium-Ion Battery
    Full Range Auto-Switching 100V/240V AC Adapter

    Power Management
    System Management Mode (SMM)
    Suspend to HDD / DRAM
    Full features of SMI Power Management, Doze, Sleep, Suspend/Resume Mode

    Physical Characteristic
    15.4 “ (W) x 11” (D) x 1.65” (H)
    8.6 lbs Without Battery

    Standard Options
    Enhanced built-in Digital Camera
    Internal 802.11g Wireless LAN mini-PCI interface
    Internal Bluetooth Module mini-USB interface

    HERE is a link to the old thread now closed and HERE is a link to the new thread to discuss it.

    ESTIMATED RELEASE DATE: FEB. 2004
  • WorriedWorried STOCKPORT UK
    edited February 2004
    After reading your advice on notebooks with the i865pe chipset,
    i have kept looking,
    it is at the moment between the rock xtreme www.rockdirect.com xtr-3.0
    or
    the ajp d500p www.ajp.co.uk
    which looks the same spec and is cheeper
    you also get more for your money ie p4 3.0 80 gb hard drive
    what do you guys think?
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    So I take this to mean that no one is building a notebook with ATI graphics and Pentium M CPU??? A 3.2P4 HT is a powerful machine, but the Ms are fast and light on power usage. I am planing for my Toshiba to 'have an accident' as soon as I can find a good replacement.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Notebooks have smaller batteries. Running a 17" display needs a bigger battery if you have a fast CPU and very good graphics, much bigger and heavier battery.

    Closest I know to what you want (and brain did not rertain model number but I found the article by Anand Shimpi in CPU mag dated March 2004, on page 27-- Sony X505/SP) is a Sony Vaio notebook, carbon fiber case, Ultra Low voltage Pentium M P4 at GHz, much smaller display. No folks are not making as low voltage M's still draw low volts at relatively high amps, and batteries have to supply wattage to meet draw. Takes big or multiple batteries to get long unplugged processing with what you want, mfr needs space in case for battery unless you can find a battery wedge accessory for same, most notebooks do not have that available for them as they have no connectors for same. Notebooks have also smaller displays, this is a 10" viewable area LCD panel computer.

    Not made due to battery needs fro what you want, sorry. Not YET, anyhow.

    John D.
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    ed - yes, such notebooks can be found. Dell and VoodooPC both make Centrinos with Mobility 9600Pro and I'm sure several others do too. Probably at better price points.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited February 2004
    Well, the D500P is the same thing as the Sager NP5800 series, and the XTR, so whichever is cheaper.

    Ed, yes, there are Centrino notebooks with 128MB 9600s. ECS has one, I believe, and Dell and Voodoo do, as Keto said.
  • tano53180tano53180 Lompoc CA
    edited February 2004
    well can any one give me a date when the sager is going to be out i really want to get my hands on it it is just what i am looking for and maybe the pices please help if you know anything sager np8790 :-/
  • CAGCAG Boca Raton, Florida
    edited February 2004
    tano53180 wrote:
    well can any one give me a date when the sager is going to be out i really want to get my hands on it it is just what i am looking for and maybe the pices please help if you know anything sager np8790 :-/

    Here's a link to the 8790 with pics http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=9961 No one seems to know when it'll launch. You might want to go to www.notebookforums.com and read some of the threads in the "Sager General" forum. If there's a launch date and prices, those guys'll be the 1st to know.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    CAG wrote:
    Here's a link to the 8790 with pics http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=9961 No one seems to know when it'll launch. You might want to go to www.notebookforums.com and read some of the threads in the "Sager General" forum. If there's a launch date and prices, those guys'll be the 1st to know.

    Last entry at link for about when:

    http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?p=137961#post137961

    Answer, Clevo will be cranking them out this month, probably. Sager will have them as soon as they can be shipped. Let me see if I can find a Sager link to info....

    Well, rough pricing about similar to the np8890, which they are taking orders for now-- link:

    http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/product.cfm?ProductType=8890

    John D.
  • tano53180tano53180 Lompoc CA
    edited February 2004
    what will Clevo call it and can i buy it if i am in the US can you send me a link to clevo one please
  • tano53180tano53180 Lompoc CA
    edited February 2004
    what is Clevo going to call it and can i buy it if i am in the US can you send me a link also or should i wait till sager puts it out but i still want the link for clevo
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited February 2004
    Clevo won't be selling it. Clevo makes the notebooks. They sell them to Sager, Fosa, Rockdirect, etc. Sager et. al. then sell them to you.
  • tonytony
    edited March 2004
    Worried wrote:
    After reading your advice on notebooks with the i865pe chipset,
    i have kept looking,
    it is at the moment between the rock xtreme www.rockdirect.com xtr-3.0
    or
    the ajp d500p www.ajp.co.uk
    which looks the same spec and is cheeper
    you also get more for your money ie p4 3.0 80 gb hard drive
    what do you guys think?
  • tonytony
    edited March 2004
    hi mate i have a d5oop but i aint got an a/c mains lead i cant get one cos theirs no serial number on the machine and thats what ajp wants when ordering one! wot do i do? unless anyones got one and doesnt mind giving their serial number to me so i can order one ?
  • tonytony
    edited May 2004
    Hey you guys i may have the answer. I have an AJP D500p for sale 6 months old for more info and if interested email me i will be selling for around 6 hundred pounds it has dvd r/w, 512 ram 80gig h/d. so............. bargain eh i halve,nt even used it apart from watchin a dvd twice, the graphics sound and colour are out of this world on the games though. email = tony@blackpool69.freeserve.co.uk
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    tony wrote:
    Hey you guys i may have the answer. I have an AJP D500p for sale 6 months old for more info and if interested email me i will be selling for around 6 hundred pounds it has dvd r/w, 512 ram 80gig h/d. so............. bargain eh i halve,nt even used it apart from watchin a dvd twice, the graphics sound and colour are out of this world on the games though. email = tony@blackpool69.freeserve.co.uk

    tony, email ajp tech support, ask them if there is an inside of laptop bar code sticker you can give them the number off of that they can trace and figure out what adapter you need, or if you know whne it was made, ask them if year of mfr helps. If the charging problem cannot be solved, I would not buy the laptop.

    In the US, the serial number is required to be on a sticker, and some laptop mfrs also hide one so they can trace if the sticker on outside is defaced. Tracing lets them sell right exact part better.
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