I don't understand how "! [ ] ( )" is any less obtuse than <img src="">. I don't understand how we're supposed to intuit that two spaces after a period are necessary to create a newline without a new paragraph if you carriage return.
It's not that markdown is more difficult, or that I object to on the ground that "change is bad!" -- because I support simplification through abstraction -- it's that markdown is no easier than what it attempts to replace.
It's just an arcane combination of symbols to yield certain formatting, just like HTML.
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
@MrTRiot I think that is an old bug related to timestamps (I won't bother explaining, it's ridic) but your points are quietly incrementing somewhere I just need to fix it.
@Thrax said:
I don't understand how "! [ ] ( )" is any less obtuse than <img src="">.
A link in Markdown is [text](URL) and an image is .
A link in HTML is <a href="URL">text</a> and an image is <img src="URL" alt="text" />
You are the kind of geeks who know 'a' means 'anchor' and WTF it means to close a tag. Most of the world does not have this kind of background. Also, look at how much markup the HTML is by comparison and how hard it is to read. If you think it's easier to read HTML, OK fine, I just will never agree.
@Thrax said:
It's not that markdown is more difficult, or that I object to on the ground that "change is bad!" -- because I support simplification through abstraction -- it's that markdown is no easier than what it attempts to replace.
Again, simply not my experience. I'm writing a crazy amount of documentation in Markdown right now and I'd be screaming mad if I was doing it in HTML. It's easier to type, edit, and read. And I'm a Markdown beginner and would wager $5 I'm faster at typing HTML than 95% of the folks here.
We've never had a WYSIWYG editor on Icrontic so I have no idea what that means. Vanilla has a bitchin' new WYSIWYG if you guys want me to turn it on.
@midga said:
So, quotes have been only partially quoting. It's kinda weird.
Yes, and this sucks. I very much appreciate Icrontic & NewBuddhist found that bug and apologize you've had to live with it while I get around to debugging that.
@midga said:
Also, I think I noticed a carriage return didn't actually drop to a new line earlier.
GitHub uses a variant of Markdown that respects carriage returns without extra spacing. We should move to that, because I agree that aspect of pure Markdown isn't great for commenting & forum culture in general. I'm probably going to patch Vanilla core in response to this.
If you think it's easier to read HTML, OK fine, I just will never agree.
My point is that neither are especially intuitive.
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oni_delsDrunk French CanadianMontréal, Québec.Icrontian
all i see is, @Linc knows markdown, so it's easier from his perspective. i started html like 12years ago if not more, and it's simplier for me. i'm obvisouly not gonna be like "make IC easy for me", but it seems no one knows markdown, but a lot of peeps knows html.
Mostly my wysiwyg comment is about carriage returns. Most of the posts I make are just plain text paragraphs, and when I post on any forum or board, I expect my line breaks to be retained exactly as I enter them. If that's getting 'fixed', then that's super sweet for me.
@Linc said
We've never had a WYSIWYG editor on Icrontic so I have no idea what that means. Vanilla has a bitchin' new WYSIWYG if you guys want me to turn it on.
I would like to see that, at least. Might want it on our forum.
@Ryder said:
I would like to see that, at least. Might want it on our forum.
It'll come standard in 2.3, the next version. We haven't open sourced it yet because it requires a higher version of Vanilla than is currently designated stable (2.1). (We're skipping 2.2, it's complicated).
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midga"There's so much hot dog in Rome" ~digi(> ^.(> O_o)>Icrontian
I agree, I would /love/ to see a wysiwyg editor. I'm perfectly capable of learning Markdown or HTML or CSS or whatever to format stuff, but really when I'm just making forum posts, I don't want to have to put effort into them. To me that's like learning how to write the bootloader and compiler for an ATMega when all you want to do is make a few lights blink in sequence.
I actually just talked to the author of the new editor and it turns out it does more than I thought. I'm thinking I'm going to force it as the new Vanilla editor for everyone because it actually respects non-WYSIWYG settings too. It's like Button Bar + cleditor + FileUpload + plain text mix-and-match.
So the mobile theme is awesome, but it took me a while to figure out how to log in. Because the "Sign in" and "Register" buttons float over the theme, every time I would click sign in, then click the user name field after the sign in page loaded, the on-screen keyboard would push the floating buttons right over top of the user name entry field. Thus, my tapping on that field to begin text entry would register as a click of whichever button corresponded to the side of the field I tapped. Then, the sign in page would reload, or the registration page would load, and I couldn't enter my username to sign in without the same thing happening again.
I worked around it by tapping in the password field first, so the floating buttons don't float over that field when the on-screen keyboard appears.
This is likely an uncommon problem, because I'm using my work-issued iPhone 4 and nobody else has a screen that small anymore.
I still find the mobile forums difficult to navigate effectively. So far I haven't seen a way to get back to the list of all discussions without going to the front page and using that link. Am I missing something?
Also I'd like to be able to use the non-mobile theme on my phone. Using the "full version" link only seems to take me to the home page.
edit: That being said, I think you guys have the best mobile forum view of anyone.
@mertesn said:
I still find the mobile forums difficult to navigate effectively. So far I haven't seen a way to get back to the list of all discussions without going to the front page and using that link. Am I missing something?
Also I'd like to be able to use the non-mobile theme on my phone. Using the "full version" link only seems to take me to the home page.
edit: That being said, I think you guys have the best mobile forum view of anyone.
it would be nice if one of the following were the case:
The "Icrontic" link at the top of the forums went to the "all discussions" page.
The "Community home" link in the hamburger menu went to the "all discussions" page.
There was a "All Discussions" link in the hamburger menu.
I'm going to have another look at search this weekend, sorry.
I'm pushing an attempted fix for the bug where viewing all discussions in a parent category marks the discussions in its children categories as read.
Please let me know if you see anything wonky with Mark All Viewed etc over the weekend. Touching anything in this system tends to make something new go wrong.
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Search is back.
I've noticed the "points" I have under my profile has not changed in ages despite obtaining new badges. Is this intentional or some type of bug?
So, quotes have been only partially quoting. It's kinda weird.
Also, I think I noticed a carriage return didn't actually drop to a new line earlier.
--edit--
Like the previous carriage return...
In general, I'm not impressed with markdown. It's not wysiwyg enough for me.
I'm going to have to agree.
I don't understand how "! [ ] ( )" is any less obtuse than <img src="">. I don't understand how we're supposed to intuit that two spaces after a period are necessary to create a newline without a new paragraph if you carriage return.
It's not that markdown is more difficult, or that I object to on the ground that "change is bad!" -- because I support simplification through abstraction -- it's that markdown is no easier than what it attempts to replace.
It's just an arcane combination of symbols to yield certain formatting, just like HTML.
^^^Agreed.
@MrTRiot I think that is an old bug related to timestamps (I won't bother explaining, it's ridic) but your points are quietly incrementing somewhere I just need to fix it.
A link in Markdown is
[text](URL)and an image is.A link in HTML is
<a href="URL">text</a>and an image is<img src="URL" alt="text" />You are the kind of geeks who know 'a' means 'anchor' and WTF it means to close a tag. Most of the world does not have this kind of background. Also, look at how much markup the HTML is by comparison and how hard it is to read. If you think it's easier to read HTML, OK fine, I just will never agree.
Again, simply not my experience. I'm writing a crazy amount of documentation in Markdown right now and I'd be screaming mad if I was doing it in HTML. It's easier to type, edit, and read. And I'm a Markdown beginner and would wager $5 I'm faster at typing HTML than 95% of the folks here.
We've never had a WYSIWYG editor on Icrontic so I have no idea what that means. Vanilla has a bitchin' new WYSIWYG if you guys want me to turn it on.
Yes, and this sucks. I very much appreciate Icrontic & NewBuddhist found that bug and apologize you've had to live with it while I get around to debugging that.
GitHub uses a variant of Markdown that respects carriage returns without extra spacing. We should move to that, because I agree that aspect of pure Markdown isn't great for commenting & forum culture in general. I'm probably going to patch Vanilla core in response to this.
My point is that neither are especially intuitive.
all i see is, @Linc knows markdown, so it's easier from his perspective. i started html like 12years ago if not more, and it's simplier for me. i'm obvisouly not gonna be like "make IC easy for me", but it seems no one knows markdown, but a lot of peeps knows html.
just saying.
might be drunk so might be irrelevant.
giraffe.
Mostly my wysiwyg comment is about carriage returns. Most of the posts I make are just plain text paragraphs, and when I post on any forum or board, I expect my line breaks to be retained exactly as I enter them. If that's getting 'fixed', then that's super sweet for me.
I would like to see that, at least. Might want it on our forum.
It'll come standard in 2.3, the next version. We haven't open sourced it yet because it requires a higher version of Vanilla than is currently designated stable (2.1). (We're skipping 2.2, it's complicated).
I agree, I would /love/ to see a wysiwyg editor. I'm perfectly capable of learning Markdown or HTML or CSS or whatever to format stuff, but really when I'm just making forum posts, I don't want to have to put effort into them. To me that's like learning how to write the bootloader and compiler for an ATMega when all you want to do is make a few lights blink in sequence.
I actually just talked to the author of the new editor and it turns out it does more than I thought. I'm thinking I'm going to force it as the new Vanilla editor for everyone because it actually respects non-WYSIWYG settings too. It's like Button Bar + cleditor + FileUpload + plain text mix-and-match.
Now that's change I can believe in.
It doesn't seem to be working for me.
i hate the world.
https://github.com/vanilla/vanilla/pull/1913
Also search is back (again). I turned over my keyboard to @IcyLiquid for a few minutes and all is well in serverland again.
Keep it going for a few weeks straight and I'll bring baby oil to hj day.
So the mobile theme is awesome, but it took me a while to figure out how to log in. Because the "Sign in" and "Register" buttons float over the theme, every time I would click sign in, then click the user name field after the sign in page loaded, the on-screen keyboard would push the floating buttons right over top of the user name entry field. Thus, my tapping on that field to begin text entry would register as a click of whichever button corresponded to the side of the field I tapped. Then, the sign in page would reload, or the registration page would load, and I couldn't enter my username to sign in without the same thing happening again.
I worked around it by tapping in the password field first, so the floating buttons don't float over that field when the on-screen keyboard appears.
This is likely an uncommon problem, because I'm using my work-issued iPhone 4 and nobody else has a screen that small anymore.
Thanks @GHoosdum I sent that along to the mobile developer.
I still find the mobile forums difficult to navigate effectively. So far I haven't seen a way to get back to the list of all discussions without going to the front page and using that link. Am I missing something?
Also I'd like to be able to use the non-mobile theme on my phone. Using the "full version" link only seems to take me to the home page.
edit: That being said, I think you guys have the best mobile forum view of anyone.
it would be nice if one of the following were the case:
The "Icrontic" link at the top of the forums went to the "all discussions" page.
The "Community home" link in the hamburger menu went to the "all discussions" page.
There was a "All Discussions" link in the hamburger menu.
Yeah that's actually my WordPress integration sucking not the mobile theme having an issue. :/
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Search is dead! Long live search!
I'm going to have another look at search this weekend, sorry.
I'm pushing an attempted fix for the bug where viewing all discussions in a parent category marks the discussions in its children categories as read.
Please let me know if you see anything wonky with Mark All Viewed etc over the weekend. Touching anything in this system tends to make something new go wrong.