After reading the descriptions online (I'm not actually purchasing the game until it's on steam) I was leaning heavily toward Engineer, but if Joe's going to be Engineer, I'll have to think of something else.
After reading the descriptions online (I'm not actually purchasing the game until it's on steam) I was leaning heavily toward Engineer, but if Joe's going to be Engineer, I'll have to think of something else.
Previously, they had announced that it would not be on Steam specifically during the pre-order period, but now it seems they've recently announced that it's "almost certainly" not coming to Steam at all. This is very disappointing. Will have to evaluate if GW2 is worthwhile without Steam, especially after all the other stuff I've heard about the game that are not quite what I wanted it to be.
In before "You can just 'add non-steam game to steam, and it's almost the same" arguments. I know that. Don't care.
Honestly, I'm starting to lose some of my excitement over this game in general, but it's not fully ArenaNet's fault. I was extremely disappointed by Diablo 3, and in my mind the two games have become a bit conjoined. They're both co-op rpgs that I've been waiting for for years because they come from franchises I love. I've been talking about "Diablo3 and Guildwars 2" in the same breath for a long time now, and now GW2 wants to be the second non-steam game I've installed this year?
It's irrational, but "Once bitten" and all that...
I like Steam for its convenience as much as the next guy, but putting all your digital eggs in one basket is kind of silly. I recognize that you recognize that, though.
What about the game is turning you off besides it not being on Steam?
I like Steam for its convenience as much as the next guy, but putting all your digital eggs in one basket is kind of silly. I recognize that you recognize that, though.
What about the game is turning you off besides it not being on Steam?
Somewhere else he griped that its open world MMO, not instanced world like GW1 was.
I like Steam for its convenience as much as the next guy, but putting all your digital eggs in one basket is kind of silly. I recognize that you recognize that, though.
What about the game is turning you off besides it not being on Steam?
Somewhere else he griped that its open world MMO, not instanced world like GW1 was.
That's the big thing. I played GW1 as a 4-player co-op game, ignoring all other people, and I loved it. One of the best 4-player co-op RPGs ever. The new one will not be possible to play that way, so it's not the game I was expecting. It might still be a cool game, but it's not what I've been specifically looking forward to for so long.
I thought that although the game is no longer sequestered off for players and parties that it's still keeping the philosophy that if your party does the work you get the credit, unlike WoW where someone could steal the loot or the kill, etc. Far as my understanding goes it's still a co-op RPG, just consider the other players running around as more NPCs, because (Again, as my current understanding) they have no impact on what you're doing anyways other than a possible flooding of the chat screen.
One way in which others can/will affect your play in a way that you may perceive as detrimental: if you are working with an NPC on an area quest, others may just run up and start working with the same NPC at the same time (which I perceive as positive, because you get the quest finished with more quickly and lots of stuff requires far more than 4-5 people in a party)
Well that sounds much better. What about the Quests were a certain town is under attack and you need to go help, are those still individual to your party?
I have not yet seen a complete deal breaker for GW2, but no steam release is pretty damn close for me. If CB decides to pass on it I will most certainly pass as well since my only gaming time is spent with the Mitey Worriers.
Well that sounds much better. What about the Quests were a certain town is under attack and you need to go help, are those still individual to your party?
Nearly everything is everyone. Instanced zones (specifically for you/your party) happen for main-story quest points.
I've never understood the issue of a game not being released for Steam is this because I only started using Steam consistently since I joined Icrontic? I honestly don't understand the issue, imo the only thing that would be missing is Steam auto-updating and the achievements. After all before Icrontic most of my games (If not all) were bought in retail (In fact the only retail copy I ever bought that required Steam was Empire Total War and that irritated me to the point where I almost didn't play it because I had to activate both the retail and Steam copy)
I've never understood the issue of a game not being released for Steam is this because I only started using Steam consistently since I joined Icrontic? I honestly don't understand the issue, imo the only thing that would be missing is Steam auto-updating and the achievements. After all before Icrontic most of my games (If not all) were bought in retail (In fact the only retail copy I ever bought that required Steam was Empire Total War and that irritated me to the point where I almost didn't play it because I had to activate both the retail and Steam copy)
It is about the utter convenience of having games install-able on any PC you access Steam on, join friends in games via Steam rather than myriad of logins and friends list per game, backing up the entire install, migrating to new PCs, etc, not worrying about physical media etc.
One way in which others can/will affect your play in a way that you may perceive as detrimental: if you are working with an NPC on an area quest, others may just run up and start working with the same NPC at the same time (which I perceive as positive, because you get the quest finished with more quickly and lots of stuff requires far more than 4-5 people in a party)
Actually if other players start working with the same NPC it will scale up the experience to make it the correct difficulty for the new player size.
I've never understood the issue of a game not being released for Steam is this because I only started using Steam consistently since I joined Icrontic? I honestly don't understand the issue, imo the only thing that would be missing is Steam auto-updating and the achievements. After all before Icrontic most of my games (If not all) were bought in retail (In fact the only retail copy I ever bought that required Steam was Empire Total War and that irritated me to the point where I almost didn't play it because I had to activate both the retail and Steam copy)
It is about the utter convenience of having games install-able on any PC you access Steam on, join friends in games via Steam rather than myriad of logins and friends list per game, backing up the entire install, migrating to new PCs, etc, not worrying about physical media etc.
GW2 offers that same service through their website regardless of if you buy a physical copy or not. As long as your internet is good enough to play the game you'll have a good enough connection to access the client as fast as steam would.
That was basically my point, there is no real downside to GW2 not being affiliated with Steam beyond a separate friends list (And let's be honest, filling your friends list again would take 1 maybe 5 minutes tops if you quarter-assed the effort) Furthermore unlike Diablo 3 Guild Wars 2 will ALWAYS be online so its not bloody irritating DRM it's a game requirement that you have an internet connection (Also consider that Steam games cannot be played if your Steam is offline so personally I'd rather have to deal with one than both.)
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In before "You can just 'add non-steam game to steam, and it's almost the same" arguments. I know that. Don't care.
Honestly, I'm starting to lose some of my excitement over this game in general, but it's not fully ArenaNet's fault. I was extremely disappointed by Diablo 3, and in my mind the two games have become a bit conjoined. They're both co-op rpgs that I've been waiting for for years because they come from franchises I love. I've been talking about "Diablo3 and Guildwars 2" in the same breath for a long time now, and now GW2 wants to be the second non-steam game I've installed this year?
It's irrational, but "Once bitten" and all that...
What about the game is turning you off besides it not being on Steam?
I'm really looking forward to Borderlands 2...
GW2 offers that same service through their website regardless of if you buy a physical copy or not. As long as your internet is good enough to play the game you'll have a good enough connection to access the client as fast as steam would.
This is the entire GW2 folder. Get a 32GB thumb drive and GO!