2009.07.15 "Trees" discussion
primesuspect
Beepin n' BoopinDetroit, MI Icrontian
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That led me to start getting some closeups to make it look like a massive tree; to give it scale I needed little people on it. So I guess this photo could be considered a followup to the "Magic Tree" photo I took five years ago.
The branch and the hole are two different photos, and then I shot my kids. Perry was very poseable, as I told him my idea, but he wouldn't get "in character"; I had originally envisioned him shirtless (imagine - the one time I actually WANT him shirtless), and with dirt on his face and a staff. A wild kid. He left his walking stick at my parents' house and he wouldn't let me get him dirty, so this was the best I could get. Kyle was a much less willing model, as I was infringing on his reading time. He reluctantly stood in front of my backdrop, and just sort of went limp. Meh.
The shadows are invented, of course. I didn't do very good with them, but this was the first time I ever tried. I wanted it to look more menacing - like two lost little boys on a dark, horrible branch with only a little lantern to light their way. I don't think I captured that at all, but the end result still looks sorta cool.
Prime, your pictar skillz are epic.
The biggest problem is of course that the shadows are completely planar, and don't follow the shape of the tree at all. Try using illustrator to sketch the contours behind the boys, where you think the shadow would fall, then use that to create the shadow shape and blur it a little, should help quite a bit. Also, their general shape suggests a much more distant light than the lantern, which confuses the eye a little.
Dras: I agree with Brian in that a little more tonal variation would definitely benefit your image. The biggest issue I find with shots like this, is that lacking a particular point of focus, the eye tends to wander a little. Some deeper shadows, and perhaps a little more distinction in the 2 main colors would help alleviate that.
-drasnor
Here are a couple other shots I took there.
That said, this photo is excellent. Again, I cannot critique the photo itself.
Rey: Holy crap what a great choice of subject. The way you framed it is sublime. Awesome. The only thing I'd suggest is more contrast to bring out the drama of the shadows; that tree is dramatic as hell.
@Dras: I'm not sure if you want to filter it. I'd recommend playing with your exposure settings before doing any post processing, although if that's not a possibility, then perhaps you could look into brightness / contrast / shadow / highlight combinations.
@Snark: I think it'd would have been a lot more interesting if you got really close and abstract with it, but then again, thats more of a style judgement than anything else .. superb technically.
That said, I did have to do a bit of post on my image for this theme - I have really crappy yellow lighting, so I had to cool it down a fair bit.
BH: I normally don't go for the "up the trunk" shots, but your choice of subject and the way you framed it make it work. I really like this photo.
Plus, I'm jealous for having never seen a real coconut tree
Nate: I think your camera is holding you back, bro.
Im gonna go downtown shortly there is a tree I want to get there, doubt it'll come out though, my phone sucks, and sucks worse in the dark.
@Mondi - I do have some alternatives that I think you'd like, but in the end, I went with this one. I had several where I was trying to go for the tilt-shift miniature kind of look, but time constraints pushed me to this one; I ended up liking the definition a lot. I still have the tree, so I'm going to attempt that one again when I get back.
@BH - I fucking love the colors and lens flare in your shot. Well goddamn done, sir.
@reyrey - Freakin' sweet tree, I love it. I can't shake the feeling that some of the roots are suffering from some motion blur.
@Dras - Little washed out, not quite enough definition for me. I like the mottled look, but I feel like you could have gotten more out of it.
@Brian again - cheater I always like your miniature series, though, so well done. Mondi already pointed out what I would have.
@Mondi again - I like your choice of exposure here. Half-hidden in shadow is a nice touch.
@Nemi - scary-looking tree. Nice contrast of the really bright green against the really dark, veiny branches.
@GW - I like the variation in leaves, but it doesn't really do anything for me as a picture.
@Nate -
prime - good idea, but the bad shadows kill it. i think that if you're going to photoshop something like that in, it needs to be pretty perfect. my eyes are drawn to the flat shadows, not the photo (which is very well composed, imo)
snark - when i look at the small pic, it looks great, but when i look at the bigger size, i think it would be _much_ better if all the plant were in focus. otherwise, excellent.
reyrey - very cool!
mondi - i'm distracted a little by the two lights out of focus on the left. otherwise, i really like it.
bh - i really like how the leaves on the tree look
nemi - i love the color
gw - same! I love how it's green everywhere, and i really like that shade. I feel like i'm in a forest.
me - Unfortunately, the tree wasn't quite centered, so that's not quite ideal. Also, the focus on the front tree is off a bit.
Sometimes limiting yourself in this way can help you grow your skills. You KNOW you can't take "technically" great photos with your camera phone, so it's up to you to really wow people with composition, contrast, and subject.
-drasnor
Doc: Great shot! The spiky fruit things are exactly what is needed to break up the monotony of a bunch of leaves. Nice entry!
/me nods.
I almost submitted a different photo instead because this one was blurrier than I thought it would be when I took it, but I really liked how it came out otherwise.
If it wasn't dark out by the time I got to look at it, I would have gone out and shot it again with different settings. I usually take each shot with several different adjustments, but I was being EATEN ALIVE by mosquitoes, so I was rushing a bit.
Sadly, my camera is a five-year-old point-and-shoot with not a lot of options/settings. Still, trees are one of my favorite subjects, so I'm glad I got to throw one up.