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Dark side of the tunes: Is digital killing the full album experience?

Dark side of the tunes: Is digital killing the full album experience?

These haven't been pulled out in years

These haven't been pulled out in years

Today Ars Technica is reporting that Apple may be working alongside the music industry in an attempt to revive interest in complete albums vs. single tunes.

It is no secret to any digital music fan that the convenience of being able to download a small portion of new music on a whim is instantly gratifying.  The days of going to the local Sam Goody to thumb through a rack full of albums are over.  The new model is to go to your favorite digital music download site (which, for the vast majority, is iTunes), proceed to download the latest single for $0.99-$1.29, sync to portable player, and listen to your personal mix of singles.

To illustrate how far this trend has progressed, let’s examine a direct quote from Smashing Pumpkins front man Billy Corgan from a December 2008 Chicago Tribune interview. “We’re done with that (making full albums). There is no point. People don’t even listen to it all. They put it on their iPod, they drag over the two singles, and skip over the rest. The listening patterns have changed, so why are we killing ourselves to do albums, to create balance, and do the arty track to set up the single? It’s done.”

Think about this for a moment.  Billy Corgan is the same artist that, just fourteen years ago, gave us the sprawling conceptual double disk titled Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, by far his biggest success to date. Corgan, a man obviously inspired by the great full length conceptual rock masterpieces of the 70’s, has given up.  His plan? If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.  Corgan says Pumpkins releases henceforth will be singles only to cater to the shortened attention span of the iTunes generation.

Lets call some attention to a recent blog post from our fellow Icrontian, Fatcat.   Fatcat is part of the last generation to truly appreciate albums in full form.  The albums he lists are all pre-iTunes era, and without a doubt deserving of a full listen from cover to cover.  Notice Fatcat’s favorite selections from Throwing Copper and you will not notice the popular rock radio singles Selling the Drama, I Alone, and Lightning Crashes, instead you find a less popular single and two tracks without any significant radio airplay.

Just as it is sad to think that an artist like Billy Corgan can not be motivated to produce a cohesive album in the current market, it is equally disturbing to think that today’s music audience will head straight to the radio hit for a quick single download without ever considering the album as a whole, as it was intended by the artists that created it. Fatcat also remembers when listening to an album was a more open and communal experience, when music was about sharing in the discovery.

The iTunes generation does not engage in this journey, they download the popular radio single of the moment and consume it in isolation.  Ask yourself, when was the last time you enjoyed kicking back with a friend or loved one for at least an hour discovering a new album together? When was the last time you had an exchange with a friend taking turns listening to each others favorite albums from cover to cover, sharing ideas on what makes the music more than mere entertainment, but what makes it something truly special to you?

Engaging in a discussion with friend of mine recently, he revealed a new-found desire to collect CDs, in small part fueled by a sense of urgency because a great number of bands that he enjoys are less popular, and it’s getting harder to find their material in its full intended format each and every day.  We went on to talk about how certain rock radio tunes just don’t work for us outside of the full album experience.  The discussion very naturally drifted towards Pink Floyd and how their singles have been played to death on rock radio, and how listening to Another Brick in the Wall Part II, or Money just did not feel right outside of The Wall, or Dark Side of the Moon.  Its obvious when the band set out, they were making a full length album, not some sorted collection of singles, and we honestly owe it to them and ourselves to consume it as it was intended, front to back.  Money, by itself, is a decent rock single, but Money jammed between The Great Gig in the Sky and Us and Them; for many, it transcends mere entertainment, it’s something spiritual, something enlightening, something beautiful that should not undervalued.

Full length albums are dying a fast death, and we are all to blame.  Blame the music industry for failing to make content that is compelling for more than four minutes at a time.  Blame iTunes for making singles purchases so damn convenient.  Most of all, let’s blame ourselves for lowering the standard by driving the new model forward with our shortened attention spans, and exuberant consumption of quick hits.  Upon reading the Ars Technica piece, one has to wonder if Apple and the music industry have the right idea to incentivize music fans to consume the full experience again.  Can offering extras like liner notes and exclusive album-only content drive people back to discovering new music the old fashioned way?  Will Apple have much motivation to do so, seeing that the current model has worked very nicely for them?

I hope a new strategy to incentivize the audience to consume full albums will work and ultimately inspire artists to produce better albums, but I am not optimistic.  Things have changed, and future generations are not likely to sit down and discover new music together. Still, I will do my part.  I remember my mother spinning Police, Cindi Lauper, and U2 LPs front-to-back when I was a boy.  I will be sure to expose my little girl to some of my favorites as her attention span grows longer and her taste in music takes shape.   If you are from the last of the full album generation, do a younger friend a favor, share your favorite full length album with them today, and not on bittorrent; share it in person, together, with actual speakers that play so everyone in the room can take the journey together.

Comments

  1. primesuspect
    primesuspect in B4...

    oh hell, all of it.
  2. Linc
    Linc Err, I'm 26 and only buy full albums on iTunes. There, I said it.
  3. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm 24 and I only buy full albums.

    Then again, it's not usually contemporary music. Part of it you hit on the head - many artists just don't make albums that are meant to be consumed in total. A lot of them are just 10 sketchy songs with hopefully 3 radio hits, no front-to-back experience. Some still do - but many just don't inspire an hour's dedication.
  4. ardichoke
    ardichoke You may as well just have said first prime.

    Now then, if there's music that's worth the full album experience, I gladly buy the full album. Fact of the matter is most mainstream record labels don't produce albums that are worth having the full experience (cuz half the music on the album sucks). Of course, that said, there are artists that put out albums worth the full experience and even if I buy them in digital form I will sit down and enjoy the full experience... Green Day's latest 2 albums fall into that category as do The Smashing Pumpkins and many others. I hope Billy Corgan reconsiders his position because I do enjoy the experience of listening to a well balanced full album. For the real full album experience though, I've gotta find it in vinyl, sit on the floor between my two homebuilt speakers and listen to it played on a turntable though.
  5. race
    race Ahhhhh! This grrrl does NOT by singles. Crap, crap, crap. The good stuff is in between. If there are lots of people out there who just want the radio-friendly version, good for them. I'm glad they can get it for cheaper now. ***I will pay you money to put out full albums! I will come see your shows!***
  6. Kwitko
    Kwitko 36 and I buy full albums on vinyl. And iTunes.

    And I agree with Cliff, Snark, prime- today's artists are being churned out without regard to quality. It's a quick hit, one single, then on to the next band.
  7. Nate_LapT
    Nate_LapT im 26 and I dont buy via iTunes, I still buy the LP!!! I love my sublime and nirvana lp's
    I have roughly 20LP's sitting in my vinyl travel case at my parents, I need to get my turntable moved here so I can enjoy those again. I have a 311 45 also. lots of bands are releasing on vinyl still. more aimed at the TRUE music lovers.
  8. GnomeWizardd
    GnomeWizardd 26 and buy full albums but not on Itunes
  9. ardichoke
    ardichoke Also, this article has inspired me to listen to Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness now. In order. The way it should be.
  10. _k
    _k 22 and I bought a CD in a store last week, listen to it during l4d and driving to work. Rehab- Graffiti The World. They still have a large business making records, you know real turntable records. I don't consider someone a DJ until they bust out something on the tables, otherwise you are a jukebox.
  11. Marushka
    Marushka I had a similar discussion with a friend much older than I (75) a few months ago and he raised an interesting alternative point. The album, at a time, was a very new concept to the music scene (he cited Sgt Pepper). It changed music, no doubt, and gave artists a new canvas to display their depth and skill. In terms of the digital media and iTunes generation, he saw a lot of the positives and viewed it as a similar shift in music as an art form. If the album was going the way of extinction as a consequence, then that's unfortunate, but still a side effect.

    I thought his argument was interesting.

    Personally, I mostly listen to classic rock. Im 25 so I really only access the stuff that survived the test of time - and they were some pretty amazing albums. For artists of today that are capable of the same, hopefully they will find a new venue to showcase those skills (maybe focused in live concerts).
  12. Thrax
    Thrax I'm 23 and the only complete albums I own are Dark Side of the Moon and Enigma's The Dusted Variations (I just checked).

    Complete albums generally waste three things: My time, my money and my drive space. I cherry-pick what I like and move on; whether or not that means singles is up to the artist's alignments with my taste in music.

    Don't mistake what I'm saying: If I find a great track, you bet I'll give the rest of the album a listen, but to date I remain completely unconvinced by more than a small handful of artists.

    I won't pay the list price if every dollar isn't well-spent, and that goes for everything in my life, not just albums.

    //edit: The value of the album experience is overstated when you couldn't care less if half the tracks on the album were never made.
  13. Gate28
    Gate28 I'm 17 and I go to the mall and buy physical CD's. Hell, if I had a working needle for my turntable, I'd buy records, too.

    I also think is ironic that first album that caught my eye in the picture is AEnima by Tool, which is in the CD player in my car right now.

    While I must admit I'm a big Smashing Pumpkins fan, I have to disagree with Billy on this one. Releasing only singles destroys the idea of the concept album or the rock opera. Look at Tommy by The Who or The Wall by Pink Floyd or even some newer stuff, like Broken Bride by Ludo or Lateralus by Tool. All of these albums have a central theme or story that ties all the songs together. If you just disregard the whole idea behind an album, then your not letting the artist tell his whole story.
  14. mas0n
    mas0n I buy almost exclusively digital music and buy full albums. I wouldn't buy a print of just Mona Lisa's eyes or just the first 20 minutes of Full Metal Jacket.
  15. mas0n
    mas0n Also, I don't use iTunes. Is there any incentive to buy a full album on iTunes? I buy from Lala, where albums are often up to 50% cheaper than buying all the tracks individually.
  16. ardichoke
    ardichoke Too bad most artists these days are less da Vinci and more Rabo Karabekian (I know he's fictional, but I love Vonnegut) otherwise I would be more inclined to buy full albums more often.
  17. Thrax
  18. mas0n
    mas0n I'm not denying that the vast majority of available music is dross, but I can honestly say that most the artists I choose to support are capable of releasing 60+ minutes of something worth listening to.
  19. BlackHawk
    BlackHawk I'm 24 and I pirate full albums. There, somebody had to say it.
  20. shwaip
    shwaip I buy full albums that I like the majority of the songs on. I buy singles when two songs on the cd are good, the rest filler. I use itunes because it's easy to get songs on my touch or on my pc.
  21. Serp
    Serp 22 and I only buy full albums. That said, I've never bought a song or album from iTunes or any downloadable music service.

    I'll generally only buy a CD if I've had the chance to listen to the whole thing. The only exception is if there was a song that I really, REALLY liked then I would just buy the CD and hope the others songs would be ok.

    I love buying the physical CD, unwrapping it, opening the CD player, putting the CD in, closing the CD player, and pressing play.

    The majority of my CD collection is stuff that isn't played on the radio(any more or never has) because to me, most mainstream music now, especially what's played on the radio, doesn't seem worth spending money on. Be it $.99 or $10 - 15.
  22. lunchb0x
    lunchb0x I'm 27 and I buy full albums. Back in the days of the Pepsi/iTunes promotion, I used to buy single songs.

    Most of the stuff I've been listening to lately, the CDs are good front to back. The music I'm listening to (funk and metal) don't get as much air play as the pop groups and as a rule, the CDs as a whole are stronger. Yeah, Black Clouds & Silver Linings only has 6 songs on it, but each of those songs is really good.
  23. race
    race
    Marushka wrote:
    I had a similar discussion with a friend much older than I (75) a few months ago and he raised an interesting alternative point. The album, at a time, was a very new concept to the music scene (he cited Sgt Pepper). It changed music, no doubt, and gave artists a new canvas to display their depth and skill. In terms of the digital media and iTunes generation, he saw a lot of the positives and viewed it as a similar shift in music as an art form. If the album was going the way of extinction as a consequence, then that's unfortunate, but still a side effect.

    This is what I was thinking as mas0n and I were discussing this in the car. The album is what it is because of the media it was recorded on. An LP, a CD, a whatever holds x number of minutes. What can you do with that time? It is stored in this case and the cover looks like this. A few artists went outside that box occasionally, but it's usually just minor variations on the same idea. 60 minutes of music on a disc in a case. Digital is a completely new media with endless unexplored conceptual possibilities. I welcome artists who are game to explore how they can express themselves in the unconfined time frame of digital media.

    Merce Cunningham just died and it's been a reminder to think outside the beat.
  24. Ohmecks
    Ohmecks To be honest, I'm 17, and I've only purchased music one time. I had listened to Orbital's Middle of Nowhere album through my parents' Rhapsody subscription, and I had liked it very much. I eventually found a used copy in a generic jewel case at a local FYE. Apart from this album, I listen to video game music and remixes of video game music almost exclusively.

    It's always entertaining to watch others' disbelief when I claim to be unfamiliar with certain musicians. ("Metallica? Never heard 'em.")
  25. primesuspect
    primesuspect ^ welcome to the new generation
  26. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster Nice response from everyone here. I am actually very surprised by how many people still enjoy the full album experience in the Icrontic community. All sales data indicates that its on its way out, but Icrontian's seem to do things on their own individual terms. Nice discussion.
  27. BuddyJ
    BuddyJ The overwhelming majority of the time, I not only buy full albums but also listen to the albums in their entirety. I prefer vinyl to anything and thankfully these days artists are including full digital downloads along with their vinyl purchases. Otherwise I stick to CDs.

    Of course, my choice of music isn't major label acts most of the time. I like artists like Sufjan Stevens who are devoted to the artform of Making an Album, where the art, music, liner notes, packaging, and even disc color create not just sound but an experience.

    I disagree with Cliff. Digital isn't killing the full album experience. It's lazy artists and big money record labels. What digital is doing is giving the artists that care a new way to share and connect with their audience. It's the new medium that adds to the full album experience if only artists will embrace it. And they are ... Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead, Ryan Adams, The Flaming Lips ... they're all doing it.

    Also, Billy Corgan's reputation as a total dickwad far exceeds his reputation in the industry as a talented musician. He is no longer relevant.
  28. UPSLynx
    UPSLynx We are a rather exclusive bunch, I think, when the majority of us say that we buy full albums.

    Outside of Icrontic, I know few that still do.

    I buy albums every single time. I have bought one song on iTunes, and I doubt I'll ever use it again. I buy physical CDs, I never fully got on the digital bandwagon (with games, either). I buy CDs because I do the majority of listening in my vehicle. I'm not the type to output an MP3 player to a stereo in my truck to listen to 16 GB of music, I'd rather put in a CD and listen to the story the artist tells.

    In fact, the only MP3 player I own is a 2GB generic used primarily for exercising.

    Artists tell stories with their albums. Some artists take this further than others. My favorite band, Dream Theater, takes album storytelling to an astonishing level. You wouldn't buy a chapter or two from a film on DVD, so why only buy sections of an album?

    I absolutely adore music, and I love the album. I'll always be an album man, and I hope things never change in that respect.
  29. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm ^ I've been listening to the new Dream Theater straight through, both CDs, for a couple weeks now at work. It's sublime.
  30. Linc
    Linc
    mas0n wrote:
    Is there any incentive to buy a full album on iTunes?
    Yes; it's usually cheaper by a dollar or two, and/or bonus content. I've increased my music purchasing quite a bit since I went digital, because I think CDs are ripoffs ($18-22 for 12 tracks? No thx).
    Buddy J wrote:
    I not only buy full albums but also listen to the albums in their entirety.
    Same. I don't think I've ever used iTunes' shuffle features. After one album ends, I pick the next one I want to listen to. My "playlists" are chronological anthologies by artist. If it's time for Radiohead... it's time for some goddamn Radiohead. :mouldy:
  31. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster For the record, I saw the Smashing Pumpkins live back in 96 and it was the absolute most abysmal live show I have ever seen. Not endorsing the band or any of their specific work here, just thought his quote was particularly interesting as it related to what is going on with the itunes sales data.
  32. Koreish
    Koreish I'll admit that I buy single songs through iTunes. But that's usually because I'll get a gift card or something that can't cover the whole cost of an album. I personally own very few albums, but my dad and I share a similar taste in music and he owns at several hundred albums so I just burn what he's bought. If any of you are interested in a "rock opera" then Nightwish and Coheed & Cabria are very well known for telling stories throughout their albums.
  33. ardichoke
    ardichoke Well... now that I got the Pumpkins out of my system today, tomorrow will have to be Coheed day thanks to Koreish.

    As for abysmal live shows.... Weezer.... Oh god are they a waste to see live. Worst 40 bucks I ever spent. They don't even put on a show, the just stand there... no attempt to bring the audience into the show... nothing. Of course it didn't help that I had just seen Green Day about a month before. They are a fun band to see live (at least they were back in '02, I can't vouch for them now).
  34. primesuspect
    primesuspect I have yet to listen to the entire Neverender saga; I finally got the last album only recently. I should do the whole thing one day.

    <3 coheed. So do my kids. Here's a picture of Kyle at his first concert ever, which happened to be Coheed & Cambria, which they LOVED. Claudio was thrilled to take a picture with a young fan:

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  35. lunchb0x
    lunchb0x
    UPSLynx wrote:
    Artists tell stories with their albums. Some artists take this further than others. My favorite band, Dream Theater, takes album storytelling to an astonishing level. You wouldn't buy a chapter or two from a film on DVD, so why only buy sections of an album?

    Tomorrow I think I'm gonna setup a playlist of the Twelve-Step Suite. I really can't think of any other band that stretched a theme over five CDs. I know Kamelot's Epica and the Black Halo run together to tell a story, but they were write close together. The Twelve-Step suite goes back to '02.
  36. Nate_LapT
    Nate_LapT I've seen weezer atleast 4 times now since 02, they arnt the wildest show you'll see, but their music isnt very heavy either, also, you really cant move around with a mic stand, all the members sing on most songs.

    Greenday I've seen live via tv/streams, used to be good prior to the past 2 albums.
    I pirated the newest album mainly due that I didn't expect it to be worth its $, and guess what it did suck. haven't listened to it since. actually I gave up about half way in. May give it another chance before I decide to delete or buy.

    As for CD's I rip every cd I own, I have 7000+ songs on my mp3 collection, when I listen to music I generally set winamp to shuffle, though when I'm in a mood for sublime (right now) I crop my 40 tracks and set that to shuffle, or listen straight through.

    In general 90% of my vinyl I own the cd to go along with it, I find it interesting to own the analog copy and let it play through with its pops n krackles.
  37. ardichoke
    ardichoke Nate, your post needs a big IMO in front of it. I actually quite liked 21st Century Breakdown. It wasn't their greatest album (IMO that title still belongs to Dookie) but it was pretty solid. It seems like a pretty natural follow-up to American Idiot, the album flows well and it's entertaining. Then again, Green Day was the first band I ever really followed and listened to repeatedly... so I could be wrong.
  38. Shorty
    Shorty I buy (yes actually buy) CDs but only from gigs. I go see a band, I buy the CD there. Bands a hell of a lot more cash from CDs sold at gigs than through a distribution chain.

    I download the rest from iTunes or from other digital distribution mechansisms. Most of those are individiual tracks rather than the full album. It varies.
  39. MiracleManS
    MiracleManS I'm with Shorty. About the only time I purchase music is at the show. I will, occasionally, pick up a full album from one of my favorite bands when they're not going to be touring in my area.
  40. mas0n
    mas0n
    Lincoln wrote:
    ...After one album ends, I pick the next one I want to listen to. My "playlists" are chronological anthologies by artist. If it's time for Radiohead... it's time for some goddamn Radiohead. :mouldy:

    Yes.
  41. CB
    CB I haven't purchased any music for myself since about 1997, and at that time I was buying everything from the local Disc-go-round (used CD store). I keep all those CDs in a binder in the basement, and primarily listen to my collection on my PC (I need to rip them all again, however, because I turned down the quality o save space when I ripped them the first time, years ago).

    I used to listen to music the way Snark does: one album over and over until I'm done with it. They Might Be Giants (one of three bands for which I have the entire discography) are masters of album production. For some reason, in the late nineties my music collection reached a point where I had enough albums that a rotation among them never got boring, so I stopped buying more (although I still get enough as gifts to keep current on my favorites).

    I would still listen to whole albums if only WinAmp had a "shuffle albums" command. However, my desire to not have to spend time choosing what to listen to next is stronger than my desire to hear entire albums together.
  42. Grimnoc
    Grimnoc To answer the question of the original post; no, I don't think digital is
    killing the "full album experience."

    I do, however, think the album is possibly seeing the twilight of its years,
    or at least the twilight of what we now know the album to be. And, I think
    the reason for this lies directly with the consumer. It seems people in
    general have no inclination to give any sort of music a second shot if it is
    not immediately gratifying. I believe this is what leads to singles usually
    being the only song that someone will go for, simply because it is seen to
    be the most singlely gratifying song on an album. I mean why waste time with
    all the other songs by an artist when you can just get your fill of them
    with the couple best songs (i.e. singles) off the album? At least, that's
    what I think tends to be the mentality of many.

    I also agree that there are many musicians who don't release an "album's
    worth of quality material," but personally I also think this is a weak
    argument against the album. If someone is finding this to be the case on a
    regular basis than I would be more suspect of their musical choices rather
    than blaming it on the muscians or music itself. This is because there is
    simply a ridiculous amount of incredibly talented musicians who can fill
    albums and albums and albums worth of stellar music. I listen to music
    literally about three-fourths of every day, I listen to it only in album
    form, and I still never come close to being able to listen to everything I
    want to. Heck, today I've already listened to three albums by the Clash with
    one of them being spun twice (and I've only been working three hours).

    At base, and I'm not trying to be an elitist here, but I usually suspect the
    consumer first. I suspect them of not giving some music a chance or simply
    not actively searching for new music. This is what leads to the "singles
    only/I'll only listen to a few songs by the artist," or the "there are not
    many musicians who make an albums worth of quality songs" metalities. Music,
    of every shade and variety takes time to really grow into, to learn it's
    intricacies and cul-de-sacs, to savor the hidden notes (and other such
    retarded descriptions). It's like a good beer, or heck, beer in general. A
    taste for it must be developed slowly, it must be learned. Yeah sure, you
    can slug down a beer and think "That was okay." Or, you can take your time
    with the beer in question, and other beers until you come to the point where
    you really know and love that beer. The same for an album, the same for
    music.

    I think the real heart of the matter can be summed up by this;
    Liking a song/songs vs. Liking music

    *Oh yeah, props to Buddy J for mentioning Sufjan Stevens. Have you heard of
    the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway film project he has been working on?
  43. BuddyJ
    BuddyJ
    Lincoln wrote:
    My "playlists" are chronological anthologies by artist. If it's time for Radiohead... it's time for some goddamn Radiohead. :mouldy:

    Hell yes.
    Grimnoc wrote:
    Have you heard of
    the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway film project he has been working on?

    <object width="400" height="225"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=5682252&server=vimeo.com&show_title=0&show_byline=0&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1&quot; /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=5682252&server=vimeo.com&show_title=0&show_byline=0&show_portrait=0&color=&fullscreen=1&quot; type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="225"></embed></object><p><a href=" BQE- A Film By Sufjan Stevens</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/asthmatickitty">Asthmatic Kitty</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p&gt;

    Yep. I'm pumped. There's a trailer film out that looks fantastic. As soon as Asthmatic Kitty puts it up for pre-order, I'm in. They're the greatest record company/distro as far as I'm concerned. Every time I order from them they're prompt, courteous, and partial to throwing in a little extra swag. :thumbup
  44. Grimnoc
    Grimnoc Nice, I hadn't seen that trailer before. One of my friends is actually going to the film premiere in New York City, and in true Sufjan fashion they are doing a bunch of other neat stuff as well (one of them being a concert).

    Asthmatic Kitty is a fantastic label, and along with Jagjaguwar it is one of my favorite labels.

    *Call me an idiot but I have yet to really listen to Radiohead's latest album, though it's on the list.
  45. tmh88
    tmh88 I'm 21 and I haven't purchased a CD since probably 2001-02ish (I do the digital thing). The only full album sets I own are Led Zeppelin's.

    I listen to a lot of rap and rock and since most of the rap out there now is complete garbage, I'm pretty selective when it comes to my collection. Most rap songs being played on the radio are the only ones worth listening to off that album. However, I think that some of the bigger stars in the rap game such as Nas and The Game have albums which you must listen through. Soulja boy is destroying rap. He's proof that the internet can take people with no talent, a couple catchy beats, "dance" moves, and then make millions for no apparent reason. I give him props for that, but I'd like anyone to say he has musical talent and back it up.
  46. Koreish
    Koreish ^ lies

    T-Pain has plenty of hidden gems on his albums. They're just not appropriate for radio. Three 6 Mafia's albums are all golden the older ones especially, but again can not be played on the radio.

    It's muscians (if you can call them that) like Soulja Boy and Pitbull that are killing rap and ending it's era of supremacy on the air waves.
  47. Thrax
    Thrax SOULJA BOY TELL 'EM, SON
  48. tmh88
    tmh88 Koreish, I said most of the rap out there. I only named two rappers.
  49. chrisWhite
    chrisWhite 23 and I will buy single songs of things I like when I hear something on Pandora or get linked to a song. If I like more then one song I like to buy the full albums, 90% of my library are full albums.
  50. chrisWhite
    chrisWhite Also, I buy almost exclusively from Amazon MP3, I'll do iTunes if Amazon doesn't have what I want but they are the backup plan.
  51. mirage
    mirage I also buy music at Amazon and usually buy the complete album, very rarely a single song.
  52. djmeph
    djmeph I'm 28 and I buy a mix of full-length albums and singles on iTunes and Beatport, but I always buy full-length albums that I like on vinyl if they're available. This article is absolute garbage and crap and not true in the least bit. This is just the music industry's way of trying to hide the fact that there are underground artists everywhere, making better albums than they are, and handling all the A&R, distribution, recording, touring and everything else on their own. These days you have to sucker punch portly homosexuals just to get any attention on MTV and mainstream radio. Mainstream artists spend more money engineering terrible singers to make them sound good, and having their music videos made at Skywalker ranch than they do actually writing good music, or god forbid laying down a full-length album with even a theme, let alone a story. These are just sad pathetic cries for help from an ailing industry, if you want to hear real music support your local independent artists.
  53. primesuspect
    primesuspect Talking on Twitter today about The Mars Volta: A phenomenal band that can really only be consumed on an album-by-album basis. There aren't any "singles" to be found on, say, Deloused in the Comatorium.
  54. Butters
    Butters
    Talking on Twitter today about The Mars Volta: A phenomenal band that can really only be consumed on an album-by-album basis. There aren't any "singles" to be found on, say, Deloused in the Comatorium.

    Exactly. I have all of there ALBUMS and been to a couple of there concerts when they opened for SOAD. There songs are sooo long you almost have no choice but to listen to the entire album in a single session.

    After reading this post a few days ago, The Mars Volta was the first band I thought that had these epic albums you'd have to listen to from start to finish. Of course I didn't say anything since no one would probably know WTF I be talkin 'bout.

    But for me, I rarely buy from itunes, and if I wanted to support a band, I do it the old fashion way of buying a CD and rip to MP3 since I'm careless with the CD. Last CD I purchased was MGMT, which actually turned out to be a gem since I only heard "Kids" up until then.

    I will say this however, Pandora has killed any desire to purchase music. I'll throw a bone to support a band I like, but those occassions have been few and far between, since Pandora.
  55. Grimnoc
    Grimnoc I don't know man, The Mars Volta have gotten pretty big now (not that it is a bad thing at all, just sayin').

    *Or at least I know what you're talking about. :)
  56. Nate_LapT
    Nate_LapT Mars Volta was big when they were "At the drive in" just cause they split and changed names, you make it sound like they are new.
  57. Grimnoc
    Grimnoc Sorry, I didn't mean to make it sound like they are new. I meant more specifically that The Mars Volta are a well known band, that's all (well, and that they have been well known for a while, and that's completely disregarding "At the Drive In").
  58. GnomeWizardd
    GnomeWizardd Anywho speaking of Albums Third eye blind just released a new one and Its on Amazong for 3.99
  59. CB
    CB
    CB wrote:
    I would still listen to whole albums if only WinAmp had a "shuffle albums" command. However, my desire to not have to spend time choosing what to listen to next is stronger than my desire to hear entire albums together.

    Update: I found it.

    If you go to the library and create an album only view, it adds an "Enqueue random album" selection to the context menu. Not as good as a permanent 'shuffle albums' toggle, but good enough.

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  60. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster Wanted to share this story.

    Pink Floyd see's it my way. They had a clause in their contract that said the record company could not break their albums up. EMI did in fact do that for digital distribution, the band has sued and won.

    Chalk up a victory for lovers of full length albums.
  61. CB
    CB Pink Floyd is, frankly, a special case.
  62. SPIKE09
    SPIKE09
    CB wrote:
    Pink Floyd is, frankly, a special case.
    and, YES early Genesis, RUSH and any other 70's concept album folks :bigggrin:
  63. mirage
    mirage Pink Floyd is a singular case in every way. :respect:
  64. MAGIC
    MAGIC I'm not a fan of Floyd, but I do prefer to listen to most metal albums in their entirety.
  65. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster If I may indulge myself a little, I just wanted to make the case that the new Rush disk "Clockwork Angels" bolsters my argument significantly. Amazing disk, honestly some of their best work and a recording that deserves a listen from beginning to end as the artist intended.
  66. RahnalH102
    RahnalH102 Honestly, I didn't actually "enter" into music till about 5 years ago. Up until then it was either what my parents played (Oldies Rock for Dad and "Hippie" soft rock for my Mom) or the radio. Then I got around to exploring music on my own, learned what and who I liked. All the purchases I've ever made in regards to music have been full albums. 3 Foo Fighters, 2 AKFG, Bastion OST, Sanctum OST, and WoW:Cataclysm OST. I'm happy with every second of the purchases I've made, even the God dang import taxed AKFG albums (+$100 together :horrified: ) I guess most of this is from how you can sample the tracks so easily with nowadays. I've often found songs I enjoy the most from an artist are the ones that don't make it to radio or TV. The little treasures that bring the experience full circle.

    I've got to agree with a few others, mix of people just going with what they like at first listen with no or little initiative to explore the rest, and some artists not producing a full album of cohesive/merit.

    So I treat it something like this:
    Hear a song or two by an artist/band > if I like what I heard I investigate the rest of what they have to offer > Enjoy em as a whole? = buy album.
    Plenty of albums have made it past my tests. The only reason my album count is low is because I've had little surplus money that made it past video games/art, heck the OSTs were part of bundles.
    I'm 19 years old and this is my favorite way to buy music. Now if I only had the money.

    So the digital distribution/availability is a "blessing and a curse" so to speak. Can the average individual take the initiative to explore more, or just roll with what's handed to em?
  67. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster

    I have a new obsession that I actually share with those newfangled hipster millennials... Vinyl. I am nuts about Vinyl again. I am buying reissues of albums I own on CD left and right. I got a little pro ject elemental turntable, just plug it into the phono pre amp on my Onkyo stereo receiver and everything just sounds less sterile. I was listening to Tom Petty's "Breakdown" the other night, a song we have all heard on rock radio a thousand times, and I swear the backing vocals came so much more forward, and little nuanced percussion things snapped and a decayed more naturally. It was like I have never heard that song before. I played the entirety of Pink Floyd's "Wish you Were Here" last night and that just had a more visceral growl to it, it just rocked heaver that it ever did coming off my CD. I'm still not giving up my CD collection, but for some of those older analog remasters vinyl is an incredible format that I neglected for years because I sort of thought it was a fad rediscovered by children who didn't know any better... This marks the third or fourth time in my life that I've actually been wrong about anything. Vinyl is awesome. Listening to an entire album uninterrupted without fidgeting to go to the next track is phenomenal. I can't recommend vinyl collecting for music lovers more.

  68. Linc
    Linc

    @Linc said:
    Err, I'm 26 and only buy full albums on iTunes. There, I said it.

    I'm 36 and only buy full albums on iTunes. There, I said it. Again.

  69. Linc
    Linc

    I do also collect some vinyl now as well. But it's a subset / "best of" the albums I've already purchased on iTunes.

    I bought a HomePod this year for no other purpose than playing albums I request from my collection. I found my Sonos becamse useless for anything but streaming services (it developed a bug where it would arbitrarily skip ahead to the next track during local playback), for which I subscribe to none.

  70. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster

    @Linc said:
    I do also collect some vinyl now as well. But it's a subset / "best of" the albums I've already purchased on iTunes.

    I bought a HomePod this year for no other purpose than playing albums I request from my collection. I found my Sonos becamse useless for anything but streaming services (it developed a bug where it would arbitrarily skip ahead to the next track during local playback), for which I subscribe to none.

    I got a homepod for my daughter. She enjoys the fast access over apple music. Honestly, it's a neat little piece of audio engineering. It doesn't replace a good hi fidelity stereo for guys like me that like to have a dedicated listening area, but for it's place it anywhere that has power convenience it's a hard little speaker to beat. There is room for the convince of digital streaming mixed with old school analog. They can coexist. One of the really nice streaming features for us is pairing up with our satellite radio subscription. My wife is more of a tune the radio kind of person and she has a long commute so I sprang for satellite radio for her, and for like $3 more a month you can get an in house digital stream of all those stations. Quality isn't bad, it isn't amazing, but it isn't bad, and my wife just kind of likes to tune something and passively listen. We get a kick out of the 80's hair metal station. I'm not going to run out and buy White Lion or RATT records, but every now and then hearing it just randomly pop up kinda brings a smile to my face. Radio is for the stuff you love that you don't want to publicly admit to. There is no physical evidence in your collection that way.

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