UK Website Lists ATI X800 XT Availability In 23 Days

14 May 2004 ~ 1:34am EyesOnly I've seeen sapphire's radeon x800 pro in komplett.se. Costs about 4200 SEK which is about the same as a 9800pro 256mb so it's a nice price.

20 May 2004 ~ 9:25pm Unregistered another company avnet micro ltd claim to have the ax800 xt now in stock

29 May 2004 ~ 6:21pm Unregistered Did anyone manage to get the order from Avnet Micro Ltd yet??

There website is cool but I have had no order sent to me yet.

Any info??

30 May 2004 ~ 5:38am Unregistered I ordered a 9800xt on 16 April from them and have never received it! A search of companies house reveals they do not exist! I have lost £245 and have reported it to the police. If you have ordered from them and not recieved please email me @ edmondskje"@aol.com remove the quote marks have done it this way to avoid spam. Did you come across the website via ebay?

30 May 2004 ~ 5:52am Unregistered Just to clarify the above post refers to Avnet Micro Ltd and no other company! I have also emailed asus the manufacturer and claimed supplier about Avnet Micro Ltd. Asus said that they have received complaints before about people paying for their goods and not receiving them. Once again if you have ordered or encountered Avnet Micro Ltd please email me edmondskje"@aol.com

30 May 2004 ~ 3:35pm mmonnin If you dont know the company look it up on resellerratings.com. If they are not even listed I wouldnt buy from them at all. Sorry to hear you got burned.

30 May 2004 ~ 3:49pm Necropolis Im still trying to find one place over here that has them in stock.

30 May 2004 ~ 4:12pm Shorty Overclockers.co.uk have them... in stock apparently.

Unregistered, sign up for the forums here:

http://www.short-media.com/forum/register.php, don't be a stranger, then you can discuss it more fully here:

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13776

Never heard of Avant Micro before, new one on me.. but you had some serious bad luck.

30 May 2004 ~ 4:42pm Necropolis There still on pre-order. And with overclockers that could mean a long time

30 May 2004 ~ 5:41pm Unregistered Guys *for the uk people*

Whats the deal with UK Banks. I transfered the money to a account with they gave me. Is it possible for someone to investigate it or the bank to refund me?

Thanks

30 May 2004 ~ 6:54pm Necropolis You should always use credit cards when paying for stuff like this if you can. That way you can get your money back and let the credit card company go after the company/person for the cash. If you transfered it straight into their account (which I would never recommend) go to your local bank and speak to one of their customer service people. They will be able to advise you on your best course of action.

Sign up http://www.short-media.com/forum/register.php we can go into more detail then. We have alot of helpful people here

3 Jun 2004 ~ 5:16am Unregistered WARNING::::
DO NOT BUY FROM THESE PEOPLE

They are and have been under police investigation for a few weeks now.

Thanks

3 Jun 2004 ~ 8:20am Ronin

Unregistered wrote:

Did anyone manage to get the order from Avnet Micro Ltd yet??

There website is cool but I have had no order sent to me yet.

Any info??

Looks like I was also duped by this AVnet Micro company.

I also found them from their auction listings on eBay and ordered direct from the website. I transferred money to their account on the 13th May and despite their Kathleen Decorte having advised that the goods were shipped I have not received anything and had no reply to me last 2 emails sent yesterday and today.

I was considering my next moves - contacting eBay, contacting Asus, contacting the police etc. Any ideas?

I am really annoyed with myself for having let these people take my money as I am usually very careful with regards to buying things on the internet and this is the first time I have been caught out. I could really do without losing this amount of money right now (I paid £244 for an Asus Radeon 9800XT).

Normally I always pay by credit card or PayPal in order to have some degree of insurance. I think their scam on eBay is what makes them credible as they have apparently got lots of positive feedback.

3 Jun 2004 ~ 9:10am Shorty Ive already had a few emails back and forth with someone else who has been ripped by Avnet

It's extremely worrying to think of just how many people must have placed orders on their website. Really worrying.

Buyer definitely beware. What's amazing is their website is still online

So wrong. Id suggest reporting to the police as a minimum.

3 Jun 2004 ~ 10:11am Ronin If there are a few people on here who are in the same position perhaps it's worth getting together in order to try and pursue some course of combined action. Has anyone started any form of action yet?

3 Jun 2004 ~ 10:17am Necropolis Does anyone have the web address to people can avoid it.

3 Jun 2004 ~ 10:24am Ronin Yes...

Their website address is: http://www.r9800xt.com

Their last email to me dated 26th May was signed as follows:

Kind regards
Kathleen Decorte, Kathleen.Decorte@r9800xt.com

Manager Consumer Products PR
Authorized Distributor

Online Orders: http://www.r9800xt.com/order.php
Sales: sales@r9800xt.com
Technical Support: support@r9800xt.com

©2003
UK Website: http://www.r9800xt.com

The only real information that I have is the bank details of the account into which I paid the money.

3 Jun 2004 ~ 10:41am Kris Hi Ronin,

Saw your posts above, I was the unregistered user who posted the two posts on 30 may 2004. Please email me on "edmondskje@aol.com" I have been in contact with three other people who have been scammed as. With you that makes five confirmed. For anyone else please contact me and DO NOT ORDER THEY DO NOT EXIST and WILL NOT SEND ANYTHING. DO go to the Police and Trading Standards I have and have told the other people to as well! If you email me I will give you my Crime No. and Trading Standards Ref. I have emailed ASUS and Ebay and awaiting results of this.

3 Jun 2004 ~ 12:04pm Unregistered I also paid for a radeon 9800xt via avnet micro and didn't get anything ...

I just opened the uk.asus.com page and this window popped up:

IMPORTANT NOTICE

"Please be advised that ASUSTeK Computer, Inc. (ASUS) did not authorize and is not in anyway related to the following websites. Nor did ASUS authorize the registration of the related domain names. Therefore, ASUS disclaims responsibiity and/or liability for any services and/or goods offered through such website:
www.asustek.org.uk or www.r9800xt.com."

So any chance for me/us to get what we want?

3 Jun 2004 ~ 12:26pm Unregistered awe man it breaks my heart to here about scam ba*****s doing this crap sorry for ur loss and hope u get a result in some sort of prosecution

3 Jun 2004 ~ 12:53pm Ronin

Kris wrote:

Hi Ronin,

Saw your posts above, I was the unregistered user who posted the two posts on 30 may 2004. Please email me on "edmondskje@aol.com" I have been in contact with three other people who have been scammed as. With you that makes five confirmed. For anyone else please contact me and DO NOT ORDER THEY DO NOT EXIST and WILL NOT SEND ANYTHING. DO go to the Police and Trading Standards I have and have told the other people to as well! If you email me I will give you my Crime No. and Trading Standards Ref. I have emailed ASUS and Ebay and awaiting results of this.

Hi... I emailed you this morning in fact so hopefully you have received my mail. I'll send another just in case.

I did a 'Whois' type search on www.r9800xt.com and got the following details:

WHOIS information for r9800xt.com:

[whois.enom.com]

Registration Service Provided By: RegisterFly.com
Contact: support@RegisterFlysupport.com
Visit: http://www.RegisterFly.com

Domain name: r9800xt.com

Registrant Contact:
CS1
Colin1 Smith1 (cs2@amd-gb.com)
(330) 345-45516
Fax: none
3783 Friendsville Road, Apt 191
Wooster, MI 44691
US

Administrative Contact:
CS1
Colin1 Smith1 (cs2@amd-gb.com)
(330) 345-45516
Fax: none
3783 Friendsville Road, Apt 191
Wooster, MI 44691
US

Technical Contact:
CS1
Colin1 Smith1 (cs2@amd-gb.com)
(330) 345-45516
Fax: none
3783 Friendsville Road, Apt 191
Wooster, MI 44691
US

Billing Contact:
CS1
Colin1 Smith1 (cs2@amd-gb.com)
(330) 345-45516
Fax: none
3783 Friendsville Road, Apt 191
Wooster, MI 44691
US

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
dns1.name-services.com
dns2.name-services.com
dns3.name-services.com
dns4.name-services.com
dns5.name-services.com

Creation date: 08 Mar 2004 09:03:41
Expiration date: 08 Mar 2005 09:03:41

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Don't know if that will help at all?

3 Jun 2004 ~ 5:23pm Unregistered Here is some of the accounts. I have NO problem posting these here if he helps other avoid the fruad.

Barclays Bank
Sort Code: 2xxxxxx
Account No: 2xxxxxxx
Account Name: AVNET A Mahbub
****************************
Bank: HSBC
Sort Code: 4xxxxxxxxxx
Account No: 1xxxxxxxxxx
Account Name: AVNET EA Horwich
****************************
Bank: Co-operative Bank
Sort Code: 0xxxxxxxxxx
Account No: 0xxxxxxxxxx
Account Name: AVNET J Lovatt

//EDIT: Numbers removed by admin due to uncertain legality....

3 Jun 2004 ~ 6:08pm Jimborae Always be aware of any site that murders the English language as much as that site does!

In my experience that's always a good fraud indicatator. Also make sure the police have been given those bank details so that they can put a trace on the accounts; although i'd expect that they have been set up using stolen/fraudulent id's.

3 Jun 2004 ~ 6:52pm Ronin

Unregistered wrote:

Here is some of the accounts. I have NO problem posting these here if he helps other avoid the fruad.

Barclays Bank
Sort Code: xxxxx
Account No: xxxxx
Account Name: AVNET A Mahbub
****************************
Bank: HSBC
Sort Code: 4xxxxx
Account No: 1xxxxx
Account Name: AVNET EA Horwich
****************************
Bank: Co-operative Bank
Sort Code: 08xxxxx
Account No: 06xxxxx
Account Name: AVNET J Lovatt

Here's the one I paid into:

Bank: Natwest
Sortcode: 6xxxxxx
Account No: 8xxxxxx
Account Name: AVNET J Ferreira

//EDIT: numbers removed by admin due to uncertain legality.....

3 Jun 2004 ~ 9:52pm primesuspect There is no such place as Wooster, MI.... Wooster is a town in Ohio, over a hundred miles away from Michigan.

4 Jun 2004 ~ 3:01am Jimborae Mods, there's no legal issue with the sort code numbers, all they are, are the bank branch identifing number and they are freely available in the UK.

4 Jun 2004 ~ 3:26am Unregistered Heres the account that I paid to:

Bank: Halifax
Sort Code: 1x-xx-xx
Account No: 0xxxxxxx
Account Name: J. Kovalchik

4 Jun 2004 ~ 8:33am Unregistered Guys

Would It be a good idea to post our reporting numbers here?

IE Police Report Number or Trading Standards Reporting Numbers?

That way we can speed things up.

4 Jun 2004 ~ 9:29am Ronin

Unregistered wrote:

Guys

Would It be a good idea to post our reporting numbers here?

IE Police Report Number or Trading Standards Reporting Numbers?

That way we can speed things up.

I have reported mine with Surry Police Crime Reporting Bureau, the Crime Reporting No. is C/04/10238.

The Police asked me to get as much additional information relating to other peoples experience as possible. Seeing as the account details that you other guys have paid into have been removed by the admins please could you email me (via my profile above) these details together with crime reporting numbers and which police station they were reported at. Thanks.

I would suggest that anyone reading this forum thread that has been a victim of this scam registers themselves here so that we can easily be in contact with each other.

4 Jun 2004 ~ 9:56am Shorty Unregistereds

why not sign up?----> sign up here .. so we can see who is who

Following on from my investigations, I have totally ended up a blank. Seems like a really professional scam .. even with the badly worded website

I hope you guys can get resolution with the police on it

4 Jun 2004 ~ 10:58am Spinner

Jimborae wrote:

Mods, there's no legal issue with the sort code numbers, all they are, are the bank branch identifing number and they are freely available in the UK.

Indeed, but in this case we feel using the forums as a platform for sharing that sort of information is not in the site's best interests.

Cheers

4 Jun 2004 ~ 3:00pm Jimborae

Spinner wrote:

Indeed, but in this case we feel using the forums as a platform for sharing that sort of information is not in the site's best interests.

Cheers

Ok no probs

5 Jun 2004 ~ 7:21am Unregistered Hi all

I have been on the trail of these Pirates for about 2 weeks now. Unfortunately I have only just discovered this forum!

I am simply gutted about these goings on.

I too spent £355 on an ASUS x800 xt and just like you guys, i never get a reply from them and I have never seen the goods.

What are we gonna do??????

I look forward to hearing from you all.

Dean aldridge (UK)

5 Jun 2004 ~ 7:55am Shorty Hey guys who are posting from our frontpage

To make things easier for our welcomed guests, Ive added a field where you can specify a nickname to tag yourself (rather than everyone just being logged as "unregistered")

As a site admin, Im going to construct a news article on this and tidy this up to focus more on the problem in hand AND hopefully we can attract a few more people who have had this misfortune.

The more who report this crappy and submit information to you guys and the police, the more power you have to hopefully bring this "merchants" down.

5 Jun 2004 ~ 2:08pm Aviation Hi Dean

First thing you have to do is report this to 1/Trading Standards 2/Police. Once you have done both of them we should all get together and provide as many report numbers as possible then re-update the people you told. Maybe that way they will move quicker.

6 Jun 2004 ~ 5:22am Deano09 I hear you...

I'm not sure if that's you Kris (Aviation) but if its not then I suggest you send a brief e-mail to Kris @ the following address. I am in contact with himand he is one step ahead of the game; trying to co-ordinate all different case information.

Heres the address and good luck.

EdmondsKJE"@aol.com (REMOVE THE SPEECH MARKS WHEN SENDING; THIS IS USED TO AVOIS SPAM)

6 Jun 2004 ~ 6:55am Ronin

Shorty wrote:

Hey guys who are posting from our frontpage

To make things easier for our welcomed guests, Ive added a field where you can specify a nickname to tag yourself (rather than everyone just being logged as "unregistered")

As a site admin, Im going to construct a news article on this and tidy this up to focus more on the problem in hand AND hopefully we can attract a few more people who have had this misfortune.

The more who report this crappy and submit information to you guys and the police, the more power you have to hopefully bring this "merchants" down.

Thanks Shorty,

Will you start a new forum thread regarding this Avnet matter and move our posts from this thread to the new one? It is much appreciated that those of us who are affected can have somewhere to discuss this and co-ordinate our actions.

Anyone reading this who has been taken in my Avnet should register with this forum and provide us with details of what happened. It is important to inform the police so that there are as many crime reports as possible. This should hopefully increase the likelihood of the police putting some efforts into tracking the guilty party down.

Dean - have you reported this to the police? Can you make sure Kris and / or I have details such as your Crime Report Number and police station at which reported. It would also be useful to have details of the bank account into which you paid the money (you can private mail this to us as I understand that posting those details on here might cause problems for the moderators). Thanks.

7 Jun 2004 ~ 2:09pm GREGORIFORMFRANCE i've have got the same problem , i've just buy a radeon x800xt at www.r9800xt.com
they said that they don't have receive my money (the money i s gone from my bank since thursday).
i'm french what can i do .
is there anyone to help me .
thanks

7 Jun 2004 ~ 2:25pm GREGORIFROMFRANCE Hello ,

Please send the full name & bank of the money sender.

Kind regards
Kathleen Decorte, Kathleen.Decorte@r9800xt.com

Manager Consumer Products PR
Authorized Distributor

Online Orders: http://www.r9800xt.com/order.php
Sales: sales@r9800xt.com
Technical Support: support@r9800xt.com

©2003
UK Website: http://www.r9800xt.com

***********************************************************************************************
The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Avnet Micro Company Inc affiliated companies.
Avnet Micro Company email is for business use only.

This email and any response may be monitored by Avnet Micro Company Inc
(6)
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g9f> the money has been taken from my bank account since 3 days.
g9f> the title of the wire transfer is the number of my order
g9f> :AS45221505810 i can provide you a copy of the document of wire transfer.
g9f> thanks

g9f> >Hello ,
>>
>>We're having problems with identifying your payment.
>>
>>Please provide as much information as possible about the payment.
>>
>>
>>Kind regards
>>Kathleen Decorte, Kathleen.Decorte@r9800xt.com
>>
>>Manager Consumer Products PR
>>Authorized Distributor
>>
>>Online Orders: http://www.r9800xt.com/order.php
>>Sales: sales@r9800xt.com
>>Technical Support: support@r9800xt.com

7 Jun 2004 ~ 2:42pm Marty_McFly Hi Guys

Yep, same old story here with me as well. I got ripped of for an x800 Pro from these guys. The account I payed into was:

Bank: HSBC
Sort Code: 40-25-10
Account No: *********
Account Name: AVNET M Atkinson

I contacted Trading Standards but was told that there was nothing they could do, because I did not have an address for Avnet Micro. I'll have to try the police later.

I thought something was going on last week when I couldn't find a phone number on their website. :banghead:

Kris, if you got my mail I'd like everyones crime numbers that have been reported, just to help the police out.

MPA

7 Jun 2004 ~ 2:48pm Kris Yes, Have received your email Marty and I have asked the other people for their crime nos. etc to pass on to everyone. I will pass on the bank details and Trading Standards Ref & Crime Nos., that I have via email. Just for future reference the Forum moderators are not keen on us posting the confidential info like bank details.

7 Jun 2004 ~ 2:54pm Necropolis I have removed the account number from the post. The rest is safe

7 Jun 2004 ~ 3:33pm Kris

GREGORIFORMFRANCE (Guest) wrote:

i've have got the same problem , i've just buy a radeon x800xt at www.r9800xt.com
they said that they don't have receive my money (the money i s gone from my bank since thursday).
i'm french what can i do .
is there anyone to help me .
thanks

Hi saw your Message, email me @ "edmondskje@aol.com" and I will try to help! My French is not good so will have to email in English! You would be the 9th person who is involved by this scam

7 Jun 2004 ~ 7:45pm Ronin

GREGORIFROMFRANCE (Guest) wrote:

Hello ,

Please send the full name & bank of the money sender.

Kind regards
Kathleen Decorte, Kathleen.Decorte@r9800xt.com

Manager Consumer Products PR
Authorized Distributor

Online Orders: http://www.r9800xt.com/order.php
Sales: sales@r9800xt.com
Technical Support: support@r9800xt.com
©2003
UK Website: http://www.r9800xt.com

***********************************************************************************************
The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited without the express permission of the sender. The views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of Avnet Micro Company Inc affiliated companies.
Avnet Micro Company email is for business use only.

This email and any response may be monitored by Avnet Micro Company Inc
(6)
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g9f> the money has been taken from my bank account since 3 days.
g9f> the title of the wire transfer is the number of my order
g9f> :AS45221505810 i can provide you a copy of the document of wire transfer.
g9f> thanks

g9f> >Hello ,
>>
>>We're having problems with identifying your payment.
>>
>>Please provide as much information as possible about the payment.
>>
>>
>>Kind regards
>>Kathleen Decorte, Kathleen.Decorte@r9800xt.com
>>
>>Manager Consumer Products PR
>>Authorized Distributor
>>
>>Online Orders: http://www.r9800xt.com/order.php
>>Sales: sales@r9800xt.com
>>Technical Support: support@r9800xt.com

Gregori - we are trying to get as much information about this scam as possible to provide to the police.

Firstly - you must report this to your local police station and get a reference number for your report. Please sent a private mail to me and to Kris (using the email links in our profiles) - we need to know full details of the Avnet bank account into which you paid the money (the Bank name, Sort Code, Account number and Account name, and the amount that you paid.

We also need the details of your police report including name and address of police station and the crime reference number that the French Police will assign to this report. If possible please also provide a name of both the policeman you speak to / or who is dealing with your case as well as any English speaking policeman at the same station if your guy does not speak English.

Do you know of anyone else affected in France? Maybe you could post on some French websites and try to find out if there are others?

Thanks.

8 Jun 2004 ~ 4:00am Deano09 DEAR ALL

***********PLEASE READ**********************

(BEFORE I START, I HAVE OBTAINED A TRADING STANDARDS REF NUMBER AND I AM POSTING THESE DETAILS TO KRIS & RONIN.)

FIRSTLY...CRIME NUMBERS!

I MADE SOME INTERESTING CALLS YESTERDAY AND HAD A LONG & IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH A POLICE OFFICER WHO HEADS THE 'COMPUTER CRIME UNIT' HERE IN SCOTLAND. NOW, ALTHOUGH THEY SPECIALISE IN MORE 'SEVERELY NATURED' CRIMES THEY TOOK ALL THE INFORMATION THEY COULD FROM THIS INCIDENT AND ARE PURSUING IT FURTHER. HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO 'CRIME NUMBERS', THERE SEEMS TO BE IN ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT SEVERAL HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANNOTATED FOR THIS CASE. EVENTHOUGH DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN SEPERATE LOCATIONS HAVE REPORTED IT...IT SHOULD IN FACT BE UNDER THE SAME CRIME NUMBER. THIS THEN HELPS THE INVESTIGATION BUT ALSO DOESNT EFFECT THIER CRIME STATISTICS.

I WAS THEN ADVISED THAT IF I/YOU WERE TO WALK INTO A POLICE STATION OFF THE STREET AND PRESENT THESE FACTS TO THE FRONT DESK; THE OFFICER WOULD EITHER LOOK AT YOU IN AN ODD WAY AND NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT TO DO OR HE/SHE WOULD ISSUE A CRIME NUMBER AND THINGS MAY GET LOST. SO...

(AND THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE COMPUTER CRIME UNITS MOUTH) PRESENT YOUR MAIN LOCAL CONSTAB WITH THE EVIDENCE (ALL PRINT OUTS IF POSS OF E-MAILS AND; MORE IMPORTANTLY; OFFENDERS BANK DETAILS),ADVISE THE SAID POLICE OFFICER THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPUTER CRIME UNITS INSTRUCTIONS YOU ARE PRESENTING THESE FACTS IN ORDER THAT A TRACE CAN BE CARRIED OUT ON THE BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS SUPPLIED AND 'HOPEFULLY' THIS WILL IN TURN SECURE PERSONAL DETAILS OF THE OFFENDER(S).

WHAT WILL HAPPEN THOUGH, IS THAT (FOR EXAMPLE) IF THEY FIND THAT THE BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS YOU SUPPLY LEAD TO (EXAMPLE) A NAT-WEST ACCOUNT IN MANCHESTER, THEY WILL THEN HAVE TO PASS OVER 'ALL' HANDLING OF THE CASE TO THE RELEVENT LOCAL CONSTAB...I.E. THE GREATER MANCHESTER MET POL.

SO, AS OF YET, I HAVE NO OFFICIAL CRIME NUMBER APART FROM THOSE I HAVE QUOTED WHEN MAKING THE INITIAL REPORT. BUT THE POLICE ARE TRACKING THE LLOYDS ACCOUNT I PAID INTO AND WILL KEEP ME INFORMED PRIOR TO HANDING ALL INFO OVER TO THE RELEVANT CONSTAB. THEREFORE I PROPOSE THAT ALL INDIVIDUALS CONCERNED, POST ON THIS FORUM (WHICH MAKES IT READILY AVAILABLE TO ALL) BOTH THIER CRIME NUMBER (IF APPLICABLE) & TRADING STANDARDS REF (IF APPLICABLE). THIS CONSTANT REPORTING OF AN EVER GROWING LIST OF CRIME NUMBERS & TRADING STANDARDS REFS SHOULD THEN GET THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES.

SECONDLY...TRADING STANDARDS

I SEE THAT A FEW OF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING TRADING STANDARDS TO HELP. WELL IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE BEING TOLD THAT YOUR LOCAL OFFICE CANNOT DO ANYTHING; ARE IN FACT ON THE RECEIVING END OF SOMEONE WHO JUST SIMPLY CANT BE BOTHERED. WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN IS AS FOLLOWS:

THEY WILL TRY AND DO A COMPANY SEARCH FOR AVNET. BUT AS WE ALL NOW KNOW, AVNET DOES NOT EXIST. THEREFORE, THEY SHOULD ADVISE YOU TO KEEP ALL CORRESPONDENCES TO DATE AND THEN ISSUE (AND I KNOW THIS SOUNDS POINTLESS BUT IT S THE LAW/PROCEDURE) A LETTER (OR IN OUR CASE, AN E-MAIL) TO AVENT STATING THAT YOU ARE NOW 'MAKING TIME THE ESSENCE OF THE CONTRACT'. THIS IN TURN PROVIDES THE LEGAL FOUNDATIONS ON WHICH FURTHER INVESTIGATION CAN BE CARRIED OUT. I DO AGREE THAT TRADING STANDARDS ARE ON THE BACK FOOT WITH REGARDS TO THIS CASE BUT IF YOU DONT TRY THEN YOU DONT GET. I WAS THEN TOLD TO CONTACT THE SAME TRADING STANDARDS INDIVIDUAL AGAIN (MAKE SURE TO GET NAMES) WHEN THE TIME YOU DICTATE IN YOUR E-MAIL (FOR ME THIS WAS 7 DAYS) HAS EXPIRED. FROM THAT POINT, IT BECOMES OFFICIAL AND ALTHOUGH THEY MAY NOT DIRECTLY PIN POINT THE OFFENDER(S), THIS REGISTERING OF FACTS WILL ONLY AID THE POLICE/LEGAL BODIES WHEN TRYING TO 'HOPEFULLY' PROSECUTE.

ONCE AGAIN...

PLEASE KEEP BOTH KRIS & RONIN (FROM THIS FORUM) INFORMED OF ALL DEVELOPMENTS AND INFORMATION UPDATES; AS WELL AS POSTING ALL REFERNCE NUMBERS & CRIME NUMBERS ON THIS BOARD THUS ALLOWING ALL OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO QUOTE THIS INFO WHEN GOING TO THE POLICE/TRADING STANDARDS.

I HOPE THIS HAS BEEN OF SOME HELP AND REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF 'ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN' BUT IS A ROUGH GUIDE...I AM SURE CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE WITH GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION.

BEST OF LUCK ALL, MY REF NUMBERS ARE BELOW.

DEAN ALDRIDGE (Deano"@dnoaldridge.freeserve.co.uk) remove the speech marks before sending e-mail.

TRADING STANDARDS: 177520, gLASGOW, Miss McCleash,
POLICE: NO NUMBER AS OF YET, COMPUTER CRIME UNIT SCOTLAND
( I WILL UPDATE THIS INFO AS SOON AS)

8 Jun 2004 ~ 4:26am Deano09 ************UPDATE***********

Just to let you all know how I have employed my procedure above. Today I spoke to PC Scott Rennie at the Computer Crome Unit Scotland, he told me that the lloyds TSb Branch into I paid monies is in fact located in NEW OLLERTON, NOTINGHAMSHIRE. I then went to my local police Station and reported the crime, offering all of the info I detail above; directing the Police Officer to the Nottinghamshire Constab. The info will then be transferred over and the investigation continued.

Dean Aldridge

8 Jun 2004 ~ 9:01am 48ducati48 I to was duped by Avnet I chased them several times asking for phone numbers and addresses and got the relpy

Hello ,

I was investiagating the problem with you order.

Our shipping team sent your order to another adress, sorry for
inconvience.
New order will be sent tommorow, We've also put present for you
in the package. You'll like it very much.

Kind regards
Kathleen Decorte, Kathleen.Decorte@r9800xt.com

Manager Consumer Products PR
Authorized Distributor

Online Orders: http://www.r9800xt.com/order.php
Sales: sales@r9800xt.com
Technical Support: support@r9800xt.com

©2003
UK Website: http://www.r9800xt.com

***********************************************************************************************
The information contained in this message or any of its attachments may be confidential
and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). Any disclosure, reproduction,
distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited
I will contact the police to see what they can do.

I paid them for a XT9800le
to the bank
sort code 20-44-86
account *******
Referance AVNET s zort
this was Barclays Islington

I phoned the bank but was unable to get any details.

I emailed the guy's, who gave good reports when bidding on ebay, but never received any reply's. Pliswood which was the seller on ebay has now been unregistered

I will keep you posted

8 Jun 2004 ~ 9:03am Marty_McFly Deano

Can you post the number for the Scottish Computer Crime Unit so I can ring them for their English equivalents number.

Thanks

8 Jun 2004 ~ 9:06am Necropolis Hi guys.

We really want to help you but can you please not post the account numbers in the main thread please. If that kind of information needs to be shared then please use the PM function.

8 Jun 2004 ~ 11:27am Jimborae

Marty_McFly wrote:

Deano

Can you post the number for the Scottish Computer Crime Unit so I can ring them for their English equivalents number.

Thanks

We have a the NHTCU (National High Tech Crime Unit) but they deal with very serious computer crime e.g. Kiddie porn and such like. In my dealings with them, they dont & wont bother with this type of fraud as they have to focus their limited resources on serious crime.

Also the Met Police has its own computer crime unit but again they co-ordinate & work with NHTCU so they dont deal with this type of fraud either.

The following is copied from their (Met Police) website where by they suggest you contact your local force to report & investigate this type of fraud. However you may find (from personal experience) that your local force may not have the knowledge or expertise to know what to do with hi tech/computer/telecoms fraud, so dont expect too much & be prepaired to hold their hand & explain things in words of one syllable. Hope this helps.

"Hacking and other computer crime

The Metropolitan Police Service Computer Crime Unit deals with crimes such as hacking and virus writing. They can be contacted by calling the
Crime Managment Unit on: 020 7230 1279 or 020 7230 1280.

They do not deal with internet auction fraud. If you been the victim of an internet action fraud you should report this to your local police.

The Computer Crime Unit is part of the Specialist Crime operational command unit within the Met's Specialist Operations Command. The Computer Crime Unit works together with other specialist units, both within the Metropolitan Police and at a national and international level.

Useful external links
UNIRAS (Unified Incident Reporting & Alert Scheme): - the UK Government's computer emergency response team, part of the UK's National Infrastructure Security Co-ordination Centre.
The National High Tech Crime Unit:- National unit formed in April 2001 comprising personnel from the National Crime Squad, the NCIS, and from HM Customs & Excise. It works in conjunction with computer crime units in UK police forces.
Internet Fraud Complaint Centre (IFCC):- The IFCC is an American organisation which is a partnership between the FBI and the US National White Collar Crime Center. Its mission is to address fraud committed over the Internet and it includes a reporting mechanism through which people can alert authorities to a suspected criminal or civil violation.
CERT/CC: - The CERT Co-ordination Centre at Carnegie Mellon University is a world centre for co-ordination of efforts to combat viruses, denial of service attacks and other threats to IT systems. It is funded by the US Government.
Home computer users are recommended to look at the advice given at http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/home_networks.html

8 Jun 2004 ~ 11:39am Jimborae You could also try reporting it to http://www.ripofftipoff.net/ to warn others.

8 Jun 2004 ~ 3:06pm infinitedreamer Hello Everyone - i wish i was joining this board under better circumstances - but unfortunately it's to report that i too have been stung by 'avnet micro'

:banghead:

i paid £259 for an asus 9800xt le on the 5th may - still no sign of the said item

i have had similar email's to everybody else - but i also noticed that my order number matched somebody else's who posted here EXACTLY

having read everybody elses posts i can see that there is a concerted effort to track down these leeches of society

i must admit i should have read the warning signs that were obvious on the site - no contact names/numbers of any kind - and thinking about it now - the prices are quite obviously too good to be true.

I will report this to the police tomorrow and get a crime number - but i would appreciate help from the persons co-ordinating these details as to what u want sending

i can supply the bank account and sort code i paid into as i obtained a receipt from the bank on purpose just in case

it was a natwest acct and the acct name was just MK CHAN

I feel a bloody fool being duped like this - i'm usually so careful when it comes to money matters

Steve

8 Jun 2004 ~ 3:53pm Kris Hi, saw your post! I am trying along with others to coordinate this email me: "edmondskje@aol.com"

8 Jun 2004 ~ 4:33pm Marty_McFly Guys

I know this may be a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, but I called the offending account holding bank today. It turns out the HSBC bank I payed my cash into was a branch in Huddersfield! I rang the branch and gave them all the account details. I made them put a note on the account saying the account may be being used for fraudulent purposes along with with my details.

Can this help in the long run, who knows... but it can't hurt. Might be worth a try.

MPA

8 Jun 2004 ~ 4:48pm Jimborae

Marty_McFly wrote:

Guys

I know this may be a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, but I called the offending account holding bank today. It turns out the HSBC bank I payed my cash into was a branch in Huddersfield! I rang the branch and gave them all the account details. I made them put a note on the account saying the account may be being used for fraudulent purposes along with with my details.

Can this help in the long run, who knows... but it can't hurt. Might be worth a try.

MPA

Yes it will help, the bank, if it has good security & fraud procedures, should now flag this account as a possible fraud risk and start monitoring it closely and investigate the transactions.

8 Jun 2004 ~ 4:50pm GREGORIFROMFRNACE marty ,
i do the same investigation with republic bank of scotland(one of the banks of AVNET,the one where i send the money) ,they are doing an investigation with all the crime report to closed the account and try to get my money back(i hope)they have an investigation unit to deal with the escrows.
my money has been taken from my account since the 3 of june.perhaps it's not to late.......i hope....

8 Jun 2004 ~ 5:31pm Kris Just to let everyone know I have emailed you all with eachother's details as I have them. Do all look at Deano09's post on the advice he received from the computer crime unit and feel free to update the document yourselves!

8 Jun 2004 ~ 5:38pm Kris

infinitedreamer wrote:

Hello Everyone - i wish i was joining this board under better circumstances - but unfortunately it's to report that i too have been stung by 'avnet micro' :banghead:

i paid £259 for an asus 9800xt le on the 5th may - still no sign of the said item

i have had similar email's to everybody else - but i also noticed that my order number matched somebody else's who posted here EXACTLY

having read everybody elses posts i can see that there is a concerted effort to track down these leeches of society

i must admit i should have read the warning signs that were obvious on the site - no contact names/numbers of any kind - and thinking about it now - the prices are quite obviously too good to be true.

I will report this to the police tomorrow and get a crime number - but i would appreciate help from the persons co-ordinating these details as to what u want sending

i can supply the bank account and sort code i paid into as i obtained a receipt from the bank on purpose just in case

it was a natwest acct and the acct name was just MK CHAN

I feel a bloody fool being duped like this - i'm usually so careful when it comes to money matters

Steve

Sorry to hear that you have joined our ranks Steve! I know how annoyed you must feel everyone who has been duped feels the same. You can email me "edmondskje@aol.com" minus the "" and I will try to help but do look Deano09's post on his advice from the Scottish Computer Crime Unit. If you want to email me details of your "order" i.e. product, date, bank account etc I will pass on the details of the others. So that we can all keep each other informed

11 Jun 2004 ~ 7:00am Mark V Oh great, there was i thinking they were just messing me about, and then i find this, i too have been stung by these bastards, has anyone got anymore info? Like a result of any kind?

14 Jun 2004 ~ 9:09am Ronin

Mark V (Guest) wrote:

Oh great, there was i thinking they were just messing me about, and then i find this, i too have been stung by these bastards, has anyone got anymore info? Like a result of any kind?

Hi,

Sorry to hear the bad news. Firstly you really need to report this to your local police and get a crime reporting ref no. Could you let Kris and myself have your details (you can send us a private mail via our forum profiles). We are compiling a list of people that have been stung so that we can hopefully get the police to follow this up. You make 10 that we are aware of so far.

Thanks

15 Jun 2004 ~ 5:25pm gloucestertraining It was brought to my attention some of you are waste people time, (deano09)

I just worte this once so its going to be short this time as it logged me out!!!

I sell the cards, there not here in the UK till 29th of june so you may not havebeen scammed, the chances are that there delaying and using your money for other things!

if you think youve been scammed, then call crime stoppers of what ever is local and ask for the iternet crime squad, if you have an email from the person DONT delete it, as the police will need the headers off it to chase the IP and the computer account user to thier place of business or home..

we are getting the cards in but cant set a absolute date, but its the 2-4th july that they arrive in your hands

its a nice price as well! there are plenty of companies selling pre-orders as its well known that theres no cards available, along with the 6800U, which is delayed because NVid are slow at sending the chips (GPU) needed to finish off the cards.. next week, weekend they should be about..

my site dealling with these keep its self upto date, as if you look its so prity but practicle to keep buyers upto date...

deno09 was looking for scammers, and came to my site, then accused me of scamming as i couldnt accept a pament by credit card, (after being a victim of an atempted scam) my back as messed up the account and then again for good measure, so i have to use a personal account to get hardware /software etc. its a A$$ but ive had to work with it for a few weeks now, not idea, but with other payment method i use it works out cheaper to use the other methords, there old fashioned but still work!!
(direct transfer)

i do business in a layed back manner, and its not unlikly that you could get a mail back like this post, as how realy cares about formallities??

we are a training company, hence the url, www.gloucestertraining.no-ip.com, we do hardware as a side line, but build computers and pro systems, ahh look at the site, cant be bothers to write it all..

we are partners with a USA company called www.powerofc3.com so some time we have the upper hand on goods, and low prices

not only do we get things a little early,

if you need to know how to use the header to get an IP then goto the site and mail me, but get to the bank and stop payment. then goto the police. and give then the full header (should be in help file)

beieve me big name companies are scamming, i got one who was selling X800pro for 21day del for £395 and 5 days for £469, beat that...

i got an order for 6800U it was a five day wait, so yes i orderd, ten days later still waiting! they havent taken the money though.. but its still saying five days on there site., .,

anyway, Im registired business, and been trading for 12 years, (two months on line) cause im lazy ) but you'll get stuff form me or a full refund! wooo, how ever im am aware of scammers and i do tend to delay on any bank payments so that i dont get left with stuff i dont want and or you get what you want and then get the maney back, which is what some one try to me the other week.. hence bank probelms.

I didnt send anything, or draw any money but the bank froze my account because i put so much money in one go into my account, great hey,., halifax gave me extra.. 13 days wait, but that s just the cheque to clear then they messed it up some more, so its almost a month,... bank with halfax,,, NO.. getting compensation thought!

16 Jun 2004 ~ 6:49am Ronin

gloucestertraining wrote:

It was brought to my attention some of you are waste people time, (deano09)

I just worte this once so its going to be short this time as it logged me out!!!

I sell the cards, there not here in the UK till 29th of june so you may not havebeen scammed, the chances are that there delaying and using your money for other things!

if you think youve been scammed, then call crime stoppers of what ever is local and ask for the iternet crime squad, if you have an email from the person DONT delete it, as the police will need the headers off it to chase the IP and the computer account user to thier place of business or home..

we are getting the cards in but cant set a absolute date, but its the 2-4th july that they arrive in your hands its a nice price as well! there are plenty of companies selling pre-orders as its well known that theres no cards available, along with the 6800U, which is delayed because NVid are slow at sending the chips (GPU) needed to finish off the cards.. next week, weekend they should be about..

my site dealling with these keep its self upto date, as if you look its so prity but practicle to keep buyers upto date...

deno09 was looking for scammers, and came to my site, then accused me of scamming as i couldnt accept a pament by credit card, (after being a victim of an atempted scam) my back as messed up the account and then again for good measure, so i have to use a personal account to get hardware /software etc. its a A$$ but ive had to work with it for a few weeks now, not idea, but with other payment method i use it works out cheaper to use the other methords, there old fashioned but still work!!
(direct transfer)

i do business in a layed back manner, and its not unlikly that you could get a mail back like this post, as how realy cares about formallities??

we are a training company, hence the url, www.gloucestertraining.no-ip.com, we do hardware as a side line, but build computers and pro systems, ahh look at the site, cant be bothers to write it all..

we are partners with a USA company called www.powerofc3.com so some time we have the upper hand on goods, and low prices not only do we get things a little early,

if you need to know how to use the header to get an IP then goto the site and mail me, but get to the bank and stop payment. then goto the police. and give then the full header (should be in help file)

beieve me big name companies are scamming, i got one who was selling X800pro for 21day del for £395 and 5 days for £469, beat that...

i got an order for 6800U it was a five day wait, so yes i orderd, ten days later still waiting! they havent taken the money though.. but its still saying five days on there site., .,

anyway, Im registired business, and been trading for 12 years, (two months on line) cause im lazy ) but you'll get stuff form me or a full refund! wooo, how ever im am aware of scammers and i do tend to delay on any bank payments so that i dont get left with stuff i dont want and or you get what you want and then get the maney back, which is what some one try to me the other week.. hence bank probelms.

I didnt send anything, or draw any money but the bank froze my account because i put so much money in one go into my account, great hey,., halifax gave me extra.. 13 days wait, but that s just the cheque to clear then they messed it up some more, so its almost a month,... bank with halfax,,, NO.. getting compensation thought!

Thanks for your post. I am sure that you will agree that it is better to be cautious than sorry when buying in-line and therefore any doubts expressed about the legitimacy of your offers were made in order to protect the buyer and ensure that they take adequate steps in verifying who and where they are buying from.

I personally have no reason to doubt the ligitamacy of your business, however I would offer you a well meant tip by saying you will have more credibility if you improve the spelling, navigability, and layout of your web site as well as finding a solution to the online credit card payment availability.

Regards

16 Jun 2004 ~ 7:25am gloucestertraining opps

16 Jun 2004 ~ 7:32am gloucestertraining I do know about on-line payments, and spelling has all been dealt with, un fortunately, the site is correctly spelt and it is the web caches that are out of date.

Online payments are a funny thing, as this adds about 4% to a sale, and then theres other charges to add in, as the cost is around £200 per year, plus 3.25 per week plus a £1.00 per transaction and the 4%, which brings up the prices, which isnt very good when people who are local can pay the price on the site.. and we do cash/cheque on delivery, which works out at £6.00 inc. so not a bad charge to have.

But with banking charges, the cost effective, workings dont real work out well for both parties.
as with larger items, this could mean an added £360.

Ye' old way are simple, "wire" the money into the accout get the good, no charges and no "extra to pay" your happy im happy..

I am looking into site navagation, the hardware site is easy to use, and the computers are fairly straight forward, as the site offers direct search access, it is common for people to hit any page of the site with the information or goods they requier.

It been 7 years since i have worked on website, and with 6K hits in the first week t'was stupid as the site wassnt even ready, the training part has only been placed on a week ago. as you will note: the site has 3 sections and 3 looks. hardware/ software. computers, and support, consultancy, repairs..

I want to keep most of it simple and to use.

for exsample search X800xt gloucester, and you will find a link to .../today/index.html which is a page with the lastest graphics card, its not smart looking, but it give the information you need.. however, you may find a link to ../hardware/page12.html which is the hardware section. but then going onto computers, .../tec/index.html this looks different all together. but still links off to a white page with information on them, I will get around to sorting this out, but havent looked into it as im busy doing other things.

Hardware is good but not what i want to be doing, as computer support and repairs, we need to know where we can get stuff from if we have to fix things and need replacement.. as we also build computer system the parts help

so its just a side line not really part of what we are going for as a main stead of the business.

GETTING BACK TO PAYMENTS AND BUYING

If your in doubt about a business, ask them for their registration number and or VAT number. (some business wont be VAT registired but very few are not)

go to your local trading stadards or business link, and they will be able to tell you if a business is real, if there not registired then dont buy from them. its a whoel different ball game when buying from a person, you will find info at www.dts.gov.uk, where there discription has to be correct, theres link on the ordering page of my site .

any way back to work..

sory about the site.. its a work in progress, Ive been online for a few weeks, still working on it..

16 Jun 2004 ~ 1:35pm Kris In reply to the above posts about Avnet Micro Ltd and its website r9800xt.com. Firstly I would like to say that I am not commenting on the gloucestertraining website.

1) ALL UK Companies have to be registered at www.companieshouse.gov.uk before you ask "Ltd" implies they are incorporated under the Companies Act 1985 and to exist would have to be registered there!

2) The Website now seems to have disappeared!

3) Deano09, like the rest of us has now been made highly sensitive to the potential of being scammed and with the only payment method being bank transfer (how we were scammed!) he was just putting us on alert. Most people here are on the lookout for a new graphics card and he had people's best interests at heart. If that has offended gloucestertraining then I am sorry but you would not believe how many times I have heard from Trading Standards and The Police that the only safe way of paying is by CREDIT CARD!! The reason being the Consumer Credit Act and the protection that it affords.

For the others sorry I have not been in contact I am in the middle of my exams!!! I will be emailing you individually when I have time to update!

16 Jun 2004 ~ 2:08pm Mark.v. It is not just the case of Avnet micro Ltd's site not being there anymore, it is the case that if you now goto Asus.co.uk a poppup appears, this now warns you about Avnet Micro Ltd being a FRAUDULANT COMPANY, its a shame this was not found out before i placed my order, also, i did not order one of the brand new cards, i only ordered an Asus V9980 Geforce FX5950 Ultra, these people are sick, and if the law allowed i would personally deal with it my way !!!

Yes i am pissed off.

16 Jun 2004 ~ 8:46pm gloucestertraining A credit card payment is not secure.,
here is the reasons.
first off the website. it is easy to script in the "seruce connection" pad lock.

it take less than 2 minutes to decyphert 128 bit encription.

I could have easly said or placed a page on my site to take credit card details looking like a "real secure payment site" when if fact you would have sent your details.

But instead of doing that, where i could have taken the payments, Im honest so i didnt.

your card is ONLY protected to either a limit OR not covered, you will have to check with your bank for details on cover against fraud when buying on the interenet. (very few cards do so)
this must really make you want to buy on line after reading this.. i think not!

I did offer payment by paypal and cheque, not just a direct payment option.

Yes ltd company have to registir, but other companys dont.
the reason for this is that a limited company is required to have a secertary, and the business can only be sued to the value of the company, giving personal protection to thoses who own and run it. if they go bust or declair bankruptcy, thats it you can get nothing. (i think thats what happend to power house customers when they went under, even thought they were taking money that day and not sendding out goods.. AKA ripping people off)

I re-worked the X800/6800u, GT page http://gloucestertraining.no-ip.com/today/

17 Jun 2004 ~ 3:49am Deano09 Please tell me...

When is this guy from GLOUSCESTERTRAINING going to drop it & let it go?

IF WE WANT TO BUY FROM YOU, IN THE MANNER YOU PRESCRIBE, THEN I'M SURE THOSE BIG ENOUGH & BOLD ENOUGH WILL DO SO...

Stop sending me e-mails about the credibility of your business.

Its as if you're trying to prove something here?

"We all believe that you are genuine...and wish you well in your business"

However, after 3 e-mails telling me how 'your bank' messed things up also followed by a continuous effort to promote direct transfer payment; I have arrived at the conclusion that (for security reasons) I will not be using your services.

I’m confident that you will amend the payment situation and sort out the ‘issues’ you currently have with the bank. As a recommendation though; don’t divulge your current banking issues with potential customers…it puts them off!

Fianlly, I am far from being a 'Time Waster', or as you put it "a waste people time"...

I simply have hard earned money which I'm trying to spend in the most secure and beneficial way. So ditch the attitude of 'suing for slander' & 'taking liable action' and concentrate your efforts on matters that are far more important.

Good Luck

Deano09

17 Jun 2004 ~ 4:14am Kris

gloucestertraining wrote:

A credit card payment is not secure.,
here is the reasons.
first off the website. it is easy to script in the "seruce connection" pad lock.

it take less than 2 minutes to decyphert 128 bit encription.

I could have easly said or placed a page on my site to take credit card details looking like a "real secure payment site" when if fact you would have sent your details.

But instead of doing that, where i could have taken the payments, Im honest so i didnt.

your card is ONLY protected to either a limit OR not covered, you will have to check with your bank for details on cover against fraud when buying on the interenet. (very few cards do so)
this must really make you want to buy on line after reading this.. i think not!

I did offer payment by paypal and cheque, not just a direct payment option.

Yes ltd company have to registir, but other companys dont.
the reason for this is that a limited company is required to have a secertary, and the business can only be sued to the value of the company, giving personal protection to thoses who own and run it. if they go bust or declair bankruptcy, thats it you can get nothing. (i think thats what happend to power house customers when they went under, even thought they were taking money that day and not sendding out goods.. AKA ripping people off)

I re-worked the X800/6800u, GT page http://gloucestertraining.no-ip.com/today/

Hi with regards to a credit card payment not being secure you may well be right but in the situation of a company going bust or failing to deliver a person paying by credit card has a claim against the company and the credit card issuer. Yes, you are right there are limits anything between £100-£30,000, which I think will cover most things! These limits are not set by an individual bank and apply only to credit cards BUT THEY DO APPLY TO ALL. If you still have any doubts look up s.75 Consumer Credit Act 1974 or this link to the FSA http://www.fsa.gov.uk/consumer/financial_planning/credit_debt/mn_protection.html

If the Powerhouse customers had paid by credit card they could have their money back or would have had their goods delivered. This happened to relatives of my years ago and they received their money. I imagine it works by the Credit Card company giving you your money and you subrogating your rights against the company concerned.

As for credit card fraud online, I have bought in excess of 50 items online via a secure payment and have never had an issue (touch wood), the one time I paid by bank transfer I lost all my money that in itself should tell you! I have pre-ordered my card from Chillblast, they may be more expensive but their customers say they are good and that's all that matters now!

As for "limited company" yes they do have to register the only other company is a company limited by guarantee everyone else is either a soletrader or partnership! The point was Avnet Micro LTD implies they are a limited company and should be registered, as they are not registered they are not a legitimate company!

17 Jun 2004 ~ 7:04am jimcooke i have been ripped off as well by Avnet, i am annoyed at myself for being so careless as I am usually very careful with regards to bying online but I was caught out by the positive feedback on ebay. I have been to the police and they said they would look into it but as I was only 1 customer affected they said it was likely I would lose my money as their telecommunications fraud department would only be able track down major internet fraud that was proved to be deception. I will now go back to the police to see what they have to say. If anyone has got any more details can you email me on jamescooke.nospam@blueyonder.co.uk(without the .nospam). TIA

17 Jun 2004 ~ 7:04am Shorty gloucestertraining..

Short-Media is NOT an advertising site. Please desist from diluting the content of this newspost and thread with your advertising. If you wish to advertise your services and wares, then please contact one of the site owners to discuss this further. Otherwise, unless you have anything to add to the subject in hand (ie.. Avnet Micro LTD), then please don't respond.

I am assuming you are not an employee or an owner/partner of Avnet. If you are, Id suggest contacting and explaining your actions in the above mentioned matters.

If you are NOT, then with all due respect.. please STOP posting regarding your site/shop and services. We are not here to provide free advertising. Short-Media provides a platform for all types of PC user, to resolve and discuss many different issues but we do not appreciate members hassling members. The original thread has moved on from it's original content (the release of the aforementioned cards) onto a more strong subject (the conduct and alleged fraud). That is where this subject should remain. NOT for discussing how your service is better or more robust/trustworthy than any other.

I hope this is understood clearly. Any issues, please feel free to private message me or send me an email as appropriate.

To the assorted other posters, carry on and Im still hoping for some resolve for you all.

17 Jun 2004 ~ 7:15am Shorty

jimcooke wrote:

i have been ripped off as well by Avnet, i am annoyed at myself for being so careless as I am usually very careful with regards to bying online but I was caught out by the positive feedback on ebay. I have been to the police and they said they would look into it but as I was only 1 customer affected they said it was likely I would lose my money as their telecommunications fraud department would only be able track down major internet fraud that was proved to be deception. I will now go back to the police to see what they have to say. If anyone has got any more details can you email me on jamescooke.nospam@blueyonder.co.uk. (without the .nospam) TIA

Sorry to hear you bad luck.. yet another.

I would suggest scanning this thread for the other email addys of the various other members and guests who have posted and been defrauded.

They have a crime number... and more information than anyone

Plus, its worth noting that ASUS in the UK have publicly disowned the two websites in question that were offering this product. Id suggest talking to them as well and getting more feedback

Hope we can help

17 Jun 2004 ~ 7:58am Necropolis jimcooke

I have changed your email address so you dont get the hell spammed out of your account :ukflag:

17 Jun 2004 ~ 10:11am gloucestertraining OK point taken,

avent micros, was a site trying to take business from advent mircos, if i remeber correcty, but this was years ago.

its hard to find info, on companies. I bought off a company i never head of, but they had a forum so i founf the email address of one of the people and contacted them about the company just to check there "real".

but someone said, that ebay reviews or feedback was good...

how hard is it to set up accounts in different names and then fake it? not hard enought! its like forums, they can be faked as well, so your still none the wiser..

and deno09, when you going to drop it, i have been getting mail form you for some time, so why the hell would i keep sending you emails, get a life! I only reply to the mails you have sent! the fact that i do say about the bank issues, etc, shows some call for honesty on my part.

AS for card protection..
There is a bankers code of conduct, made by the banker guild or what ever, but its not a law or anything they have to stand by. I was talking to a lawer about it the other week because of my bank issue, and he said that they can do what they want.

Just so you know, cheques can be returned upto 6 months after sending them, so you can get your money back if you had paid by cheque instead of direct transfer, but there must be some form of protection, even if it was by diret debit which is fully covered.
when you get down to it, if there money to be made there is always a scam.

with the amount of foreign people in the UK, they have been ripping off people for years in there country using methords we havent really seen here, look for odd names and accents when phoning them.. not say that a mark jones@buyfrome.com, is a real person or company, but public mail address should be checked. like yahoo, freeserver etc. and not used to make purchases. (BIG WARNING!) I have found that there using email companies all over the world to make the mail seam genuine, so have a look and search the net for the mail address's in name, if they give an address also search that, with "address" (speachmarks) as this will give you an exsact match and hope fully give that information which will confirm weather they are a good or bad company.

Fake it yourself, call them saying your a sales man from GCS selling the items you want to buy, if they say they dont buy them ..... then there a scam. stuff like that. I get a few scammers with there URL's and matching email address.

As i have said.

The company may well be giveing you the cards, as there not in the UK till the 29Th, then they may send it. and the same goes for the 6800 ultras and GT

you will have to wait and see.

5 Jul 2004 ~ 8:31am Semple1 Hello.

Has anyone had any luck?

I have been done too.

On 4th May I ordered the following item;

Item Name: ASUS RADEON 9800XT.
Price: £264.00 (inc P&P).

On 17th May I ordered the following item;

Item Name: ASUS RADEON X800XT
Price: £355.00 (inc P&P).

Bank details are (for both):

Cahoot bank (Abbey National)
09-06-40
1******8
AVNET A Walker

Total Fraud Amount: £619.00.

I also discovered that their website has been taken down.
I emailed the web host and they informed me that a stolen
credit card had been used to pay for the web hosting!

I came across the website via Ebay too. Have you got an
URL of their listings/username?

5 Jul 2004 ~ 8:52am Shorty £619.00

Oh jeeeeez .. that's harsh... really harsh.

To my knowledge, none of the posters here have yet to have any real luck getting any money back.

One of our members, Kris (who has posted in this thread countless times) has been communicating as many reports as possible, in the hopes of more investigation.. his email address has been published here several times:

edmondskje AT aol dot com

Hope it helps

5 Jul 2004 ~ 12:59pm Semple1 I have already paid a visit at the police.

I was trying to get the money back through my bank but they no longer want to
know since a bill payment is trusted as once sent it can't be amended.

I will need to visit the Police again to explain the new situation and obtain relevant
crime codes. I am glad that I'm not alone on this one.

Did you notice on Ebay listings a postcode of BT7 3AE? Perhaps we could
use this to our advantage?

I have emailed some of the Ebay accounts on his feedback. However, some are
coming back with bounced emails. It looks like fake ebay accounts may have
been created to give the main seller positive fake feedback, thus fooling us that
he is genuine and then us getting conned by paying him! Ah!

Regards,

Chris.

4 Sep 2004 ~ 2:55am guest2 Did anyone get a result with this?

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