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Socket AM3 to work with AM3+ CPUs? Sort of.

Socket AM3 to work with AM3+ CPUs? Sort of.

Socket AM3+Socket AM3 has been around for quite a while now but AMD’s soon-to-be-released Bulldozer family of CPUs will require a new socket, dubbed AM3+.  At least, this is what we were led to believe until recently.  A couple weeks ago rumors surfaced that certain AM3 boards were able to handle the new Bulldozer CPUs (which exist at least as engineering samples) while still using current 800-series chipsets.  Then announcements came from Asus and Gigabyte that special certain socket AM3 motherboards would be compatible with Bulldozer.  Considering that Friday was littered with fake news and product announcements, this seemed like just another joke in the pile.  Turns out it wasn’t.

ASUS and Gigabyte announced via press release that quantities (17 for ASUS, 16 for Gigabyte) of socket AM3 motherboards will support Bulldozer.  These boards are all based on current designs using AMD’s 700- and 800-series chipsets.  Some of ASUS’s boards only require a BIOS update, while other new boards will be released. All of Gigabyte’s compatible boards are listed as revision 3.1 and some will be available very soon.

The big question is why this is being done at all.  Here are four facts and one almost-for-certain statement we have to work from:

  • Bulldozer isn’t here yet
  • True socket AM3+ motherboards aren’t here yet
  • Bulldozer and true socket AM3+ motherboards will launch at the same time
  • AMD only officially supports AM3+ CPUs on an AM3+ motherboard
  • A new motherboard is required for AM3+ compatibility on a socket AM3 system with few exceptions

Bulldozer isn’t even available at retail yet.  Current projections point to sometime mid-year, possibly as early as June.  Logic would dictate that when the new CPU is released, the motherboards will be released simultaneously.  AMD has stated that socket AM3+ motherboards will be compatible with AM3 CPUs, but the other way around is not supported.

Whether current socket AM3 motherboards from other manufacturers will work is still uncertain.  Gigabyte’s web site only lists compatibility for revision 3.1 motherboards (all have black sockets), meaning all new boards for them. ASUS has claimed support for certain current models only requiring a BIOS update, with several new models coming soon.  The most likely scenario here is that AM3+ sockets have been placed on these motherboards.

The biggest drawback here is similar to putting a Phenom II in a socket AM2+ board.  Doing so prevented the use of certain features (in this case, DDR3 was the big one).  This time, though, the “lost” feature list may be much larger.  Things such as dynamic vCore, power gating and the new version of TurboCORE, new features with Bulldozer, probably aren’t going to work at all.

If you want to upgrade from AM3 to Bulldozer but don’t have the cash to get both parts at the same time, just wait for the official parts to be released and get a real Socket AM3+ motherboard first. It’s officially supported, will work with a socket AM3 processor, and will probably be much less of a hassle to deal with in the long run.

The bottom line here is that these recent “Bulldozer in AM3” announcements seem more like a solution looking for a problem than anything else.

Comments

  1. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster I have used AM3 CPU's in AM2+ sockets with great success. The reduced memory bandwidth was not a deal breaker. It was a nice option to have. I'd take a "lets wait and see" approach here. With an updated BIOS, who knows?
  2. mertesn
    mertesn
    I have used AM3 CPU's in AM2+ sockets with great success. The reduced memory bandwidth was not a deal breaker. It was a nice option to have. I'd take a "lets wait and see" approach here. With an updated BIOS, who knows?
    AMD officially endorsed AM3 CPUs in AM2+ sockets. They do not endorse AM3+ in an AM3 socket. Big difference here. The point is if you're going to upgrade both parts, but not at the same time, get the AM3+ motherboard first, then the AM3+ CPU. Not the other way around. The only boards that are currently known to work with a BIOS upgrade are the few ASUS models listed in their press release. All of the Gigabyte boards require a new purchase.
  3. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster Core unlocking was not supported by AMD either. Lets see how creative motherboard manufactures get. Assume they have enough 880 chips in stock, it may be an incentive for them to do some BIOS trickery in order to make the old boards more marketable. Its all conjecture at this point, we just won't know until we know.
  4. mertesn
    mertesn
    Core unlocking was not supported by AMD either. Lets see how creative motherboard manufactures get. Assume they have enough 880 chips in stock, it may be an incentive for them to do some BIOS trickery in order to make the old boards more marketable. Its all conjecture at this point, we just won't know until we know.
    I understand what you're getting at, but AMD disabled the cores for reasons including completely failed units and voltage/speed requirements for a particular model. They didn't support it because they couldn't guarantee it would work. It's ended up being the same situation here. They won't support it, but obviously it'll work in some cases.

    I would still recommend against buying an AM3 board specifically to use an AM3+ CPU.
  5. Thrax
    Thrax The AM3+ and AM3 pinouts are different. That alone should tell you that some things just won't work, and no amount of BIOS voodoo will fix that.
  6. wtfwtf My guess is that AMD wants to get some boards out in the channel now so beta testers can test the engineering version of bulldozer processors.
  7. Thrax
    Thrax That doesn't make sense. If beta testers have beta CPUs, then they have AM3+ motherboards. Nobody would release tangentially compatible products into the channel through partner companies for a CPU that can't be bought. That's not how it works, and bad business sense.
  8. Ace Its all a bit dodgy really. I think it would make more sense to say bulldozer will be AM3 compatable. But i reckon they will only have the lowest quad core dual module version. The high 6 and 8 core models will all be AM3+ and not fit physically. This will work out great for AMD as the low binned core disabled chips will sell well to people upgrading AM2 and AM3 systems. Then if you really need all the power ul have to upgrade, if not then you wont feel bummed as AMD did have backwards support.

    Yeah and if your AM2/AM2+/AM3 mobo does not have official bulldozer support download the cpu microcode from one of the new mobo's that does. Extract the microcode and use CBROM to integrate it into your own bios.
  9. Stoltz thanks for that bit of info Ace I'm bookmarking that
  10. Ace No probs. I'm keeping a careful eye on this atm. Can't wait to see some real benchmarks and decide if I should keep my current AMD mobo and DDR2 or go balls out and go intel. But if this bulldozer is good and cheap enough then perhaps it could tie me over till ivy bridge. I hear 2nd gen bulldozer has integrated gpu, 10 cores and is on socket FM1. So AM3+ is destined to die anyhoo. Also i think i did read that although you can flash the bios to accept the bulldozer cpus you dont get a temp reading unless using a 880 chipset or higher. So if you do have an old board like mine then you will have to run blind which should not be a problem but not very safe especially if you spread the heat paste too thin. But yeah swings and roundabouts.
  11. Daplinksta The difference between the am3 and am3+ pin layout is one pin...that the am3+ doesn't have meaning that an am3+ processor would fit in an am3 board...function is another matter entirely.
  12. Hrishav i just wanna know that will a processor of am3 socket type work with the motherboard with 1m3+ socket type.
    please reply fast
  13. Tushon
    Tushon That's not a socket type. Provide either an actual socket type, or better yet, a model number of motherboard and chip you are curious about

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