That's the same auction I bid on. The same type of heat sink, I mean.
I pulled the processor and heat sink out today and redid the thermal transfer paste. The guy at the computer store had put a HUGE blob of it on when I wasn't looking. Ever try to clean that stuff off with Q-tips? It kept smearing all over everything. After 8 Q-tips I got it clean. And cleaned off the heat sink.
This time, I put a THIN but even layer on the processor, and a THIN layer on the heat sink.
Now the idle temps are around 47-48 and case temps are 29-30, but any load - and I do mean ANY LOAD, and the thing heats up like you're holding a propane torch on it!
Just by playing an .mpg file (a song in Windows Media Player in my case) in the background, the temperature will shoot from 48 to 60 in less than a minute, then get to 63-64 in 2-3 minutes! Case temp climbs from 29-36.
And the Task Manager says the processor is below 15% load for most of the time during all this!
But as soon as you stop playing the file, CPU temp comes down quickly. I watched it drop from 65-53 in under a minute, then it takes a few more minutes to get down into the 40's again. Case temp follows it down, but more slowly.
WTF?
Anyone got a good COPPER heat sink and fan for sale?
Well, I think anywhere below 55 and lower is fine, My 1600+ (oc'ed) runs at about 52 Degrees on average(with load) w/o load about 48), my buddies 2400+ runs at about 55 Degrees on avg, anyting 55 and below is fine in my books. but then again, everyone has there own opinions.
Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited March 2004
Tim, the reason the temp rises and falls so fast is because the heatsink weighs very little. There's so little mass there that the heatsink responds to changes in the heat output of the CPU extremely fast. If you give us a budget for a heatsink, we can recommend something.
My personal comfort zone is about 52 max w/ Folding running on a high-end Athlon. I'd need to be defibrillated if it hit 60 degrees @ 15% CPU utilization...
Ever try to clean that stuff off with Q-tips? It kept smearing all over everything. After 8 Q-tips I got it clean. And cleaned off the heat sink.
I've done the Q-tip, paper towell, All around TP, Kitchen towell, till my wife slaped me but the best thing ever is the alchol swatches you can get for cleaning cuts. I think my wife picked up a box of 50 for maybe 3 bucks at most.
once you get one out of it's package it unfolds to 2 sq inches. With just one you can pretty much get off all the gook and it doesn't leave any fibers behind. Like new every time.
My budget for a heat sink is about $30, shipping included. I know a good one costs more, but I blew the tax refund building the computer and wasting money on bills. Now it's only the paycheck, which doesn't go very far each week.
I did some more experimenting this morning. First, I tried taking all the paste off the heat sink as was suggested here, and making sure the die had a good but thin layer. Also, I rebent the hold-down clamp straight so that it had its normal holding power.
Didn't work. Proccessor temps jumped to 60+ in a minute. I used my Episode #39 as the load creator for the test.
So I took it back apart. This time, I made sure the processor had an even but thin layer of paste all over it, and I put a thin layer on the heat sink that covered about 1 square inch around where the processor touches it.
This works the best so far.
Winbond Hardware Doctor 2.70 came with the MB and is the monitoring program I'm using most.
It was idling around 45-46 degrees with a case temp of 27-28.
This time it was tested with IE open, the task manager open, the hardware program open, and #39 playing.
It still jumps the first 5 degrees quickly (15-20 seconds), but after that it increased slowly. It had a 40% (+- 5%) processor load the whole time, and after 5 minutes it was around 59. Then after 8 minutes it got up to 61.
Once the video playback was stopped, it cooled off quickly. Like 4 degrees in about 10 seconds, then it was back to 46 in about 2-3 minutes.
Not the ideal setup, but the best combination so far.
I would suggest getting a SLK-800 with fan used from someone online or ebay again. I got a SLk-800 and Adjustable ThermalTake Smartfan for $30 from a guy online.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
These shouldn't be too bad. Even though the ThermalRight ALX-800 is aluminum, it should cool pretty well . . . probably better than the copper Thermaltake Volcano.
http://svc.com/thal.html <-- put an 80mm fan on that puppy and you shouldn't have problems with cooling unless you start to O/C pretty high. My Alpha PAL8045 (which is a couple years old) keeps a 2.3GHz Athlon cooled very well so just because an HS is "old" or "not the SLK-9XX" or "not the SP-9X" doesn't mean it sucks.
I'm considering the new Vantec Aeroflow 2 and the Scythe Kamakaze for each processor in my new dual Athlon machine.
The Aeroflow2 is Vantec's scaled up take on the classic Thermoengine, a vertical aluminum extrusion with a copper core pressed in. Vantec ships it with a normal 70mm fan.
The Scythe is an Alpha Novatech PAL-wannabe with a decent attachment system and a competitive price. Aluminum pin grid array with copper insert in the base, 80mm fan. Medium-low noise, decent cooling.
If you want cheap, Geeky's suggestion is great. I put on in my parents computer. Its a Duron 1.4 and it keeps it at 34C and it is very quiet. Not great for overclocking, but a good, inexpensive heatsink. The ThermalRight ALX-800 metioned above would allow you to overclock a little, but you will also have to get a fan for it making it even more expensive, but should still be close to $30.
That Kamakaze looks nice. If it's close to as good as the Alpha PAL, then it should performe quite nicely. I like that adjustable fan and price.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited March 2004
Madball, actually, from what I've read at Dan's Data, that Spire thing is damn close to a serious overclocking cooler out of the box. Put a smartfan2 on it, and it would perform very well indeed.
Madball, actually, from what I've read at Dan's Data, that Spire thing is damn close to a serious overclocking cooler out of the box. Put a smartfan2 on it, and it would perform very well indeed.
That doesn't surprise me. It keeps that Duron damn cool. Great performance for the price.
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I pulled the processor and heat sink out today and redid the thermal transfer paste. The guy at the computer store had put a HUGE blob of it on when I wasn't looking. Ever try to clean that stuff off with Q-tips? It kept smearing all over everything. After 8 Q-tips I got it clean. And cleaned off the heat sink.
This time, I put a THIN but even layer on the processor, and a THIN layer on the heat sink.
Now the idle temps are around 47-48 and case temps are 29-30, but any load - and I do mean ANY LOAD, and the thing heats up like you're holding a propane torch on it!
Just by playing an .mpg file (a song in Windows Media Player in my case) in the background, the temperature will shoot from 48 to 60 in less than a minute, then get to 63-64 in 2-3 minutes! Case temp climbs from 29-36.
And the Task Manager says the processor is below 15% load for most of the time during all this!
But as soon as you stop playing the file, CPU temp comes down quickly. I watched it drop from 65-53 in under a minute, then it takes a few more minutes to get down into the 40's again. Case temp follows it down, but more slowly.
WTF?
Anyone got a good COPPER heat sink and fan for sale?
Also you dont need past on both the core and the HS, just the core.
Follow these intructions from ArticSilver.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
once you get one out of it's package it unfolds to 2 sq inches. With just one you can pretty much get off all the gook and it doesn't leave any fibers behind. Like new every time.
Didn't work. Proccessor temps jumped to 60+ in a minute. I used my Episode #39 as the load creator for the test.
So I took it back apart. This time, I made sure the processor had an even but thin layer of paste all over it, and I put a thin layer on the heat sink that covered about 1 square inch around where the processor touches it.
This works the best so far.
Winbond Hardware Doctor 2.70 came with the MB and is the monitoring program I'm using most.
It was idling around 45-46 degrees with a case temp of 27-28.
This time it was tested with IE open, the task manager open, the hardware program open, and #39 playing.
It still jumps the first 5 degrees quickly (15-20 seconds), but after that it increased slowly. It had a 40% (+- 5%) processor load the whole time, and after 5 minutes it was around 59. Then after 8 minutes it got up to 61.
Once the video playback was stopped, it cooled off quickly. Like 4 degrees in about 10 seconds, then it was back to 46 in about 2-3 minutes.
Not the ideal setup, but the best combination so far.
That heatsink is supposed to be very, very, VERY good. Not quite Thermalright SLK levels, but EXTREMELY good nonetheless (check Dan's Data)
http://svc.com/thal.html <-- put an 80mm fan on that puppy and you shouldn't have problems with cooling unless you start to O/C pretty high. My Alpha PAL8045 (which is a couple years old) keeps a 2.3GHz Athlon cooled very well so just because an HS is "old" or "not the SLK-9XX" or "not the SP-9X" doesn't mean it sucks.
http://svc.com/thervol7a1hi.html
The Aeroflow2 is Vantec's scaled up take on the classic Thermoengine, a vertical aluminum extrusion with a copper core pressed in. Vantec ships it with a normal 70mm fan.
Overclockers: http://overclockers.com/articles963/
NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-110-009&depa=0
The Scythe is an Alpha Novatech PAL-wannabe with a decent attachment system and a competitive price. Aluminum pin grid array with copper insert in the base, 80mm fan. Medium-low noise, decent cooling.
DansData: http://www.dansdata.com/kamakaze.htm
NewEgg: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-185-101&depa=0
-drasnor
That doesn't surprise me. It keeps that Duron damn cool. Great performance for the price.
$25 for a SLk-800 and a TT Smartfan. Good deal. I got one from someone else for $30.