Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
edited May 2004
I have used the tip of a PIN or needle to start a pin back to vertical, and if they are near edge of CPU, a knife tip has worked -- but that is DANGEROUS and for use only in desperation, the knife idea. DEFINITELY, if you possibly can, get the CPU with bent pins replaced, that is basically concealed damage.
Once I get them started, I have a pair of tiny bent-nose tweezers I can use to straighten them most of the rest of the way. At that point, a tiny pair of very fine tapered and tiny jaw needle nose pliers which is used to squeeze bend out, working straight up from pin base. Done this with P4's and down. This process is for pins bent FLAT, otherwise I start with the paragrpah this sentence is in. Oh, I do it under a lighted swing-arm magnifier....
Sorry to say, not very easy, go very easy on bending pin bit by bit, go slow and gentle pin by pin working from innermost\centermost out, plan on a bunch of time per pin or possibly breaking one off and then you might as well write off the CPU. I've used a razor blade, cut myself doing so also. XACTO knife tip can be used to start a bent pin also, but be careful of that slipping or tape all but tip so you do not get slashed by accident-- a layer or two of electrical tape will help protect some, except for very tip of a tapered XACTO knife blade on its handle and used that way still on handle.
Technically, it is almost work for jeweler's tools and a magnifier loupe. I had tools a tiny tib bigger.
Ya know, the last time I pulled the heatsink out of my mobo, my CPU came out with it, like it was glued to it by the thermal pad. It came right out with the heatsink, before I ever had the chance to pull the little lever. A prong came out a little bent, but I was able to fix it. It was just a single one on the outermost layer of the rings. I'm not sure now what I used but I know I was VERY gentle with it, because I was so scared I would break it. I'm thinking next time I pull it out (not too long from now as my SP-94 is on the way) I will just try to wiggle it a little from left to right before just pulling straight up.
So how bent are your prongs, like a degree or two, or really out of shape? And how many of them are bent?
Looking at it more closely, there are probably 50 or more bent. Several are not on the outer row. They are not bent flat, but some are bent pretty bad.
I'm gonna demand a replacement. I paid over $200 for each processor! :banghead:
Have any clue what caused the prongs to be bent? Was it the packaging? Where'd you order it from?
It was in the packaging, yes.
I ordered it from a company I saw on pricewatch. Unfortunately, I checked their reseller rating AFTER I ordered from them. They have one entry and it's negative.
Looking at it more closely, there are probably 50 or more bent. Several are not on the outer row. They are not bent flat, but some are bent pretty bad.
I'm gonna demand a replacement. I paid over $200 for each processor! :banghead:
I've had a couple of XP's pass my way with say 2 or 3 bent pins, they all worked fine after a bit of work with the pliers. Any more than 2 or 3 though, you should send back without a doubt.
Having a CPU with that many pins bent indicates it has been exposed to serious trauma. Don't settle for anything but a replacement.
Isn't that nice, I'll spend $80 to keep a hacker safe from me, aren't I so nice?
Kinda the reverse of what Radio Shack sells same product for, they sell it to protect your computer and info and data from hackers..... Somebody's idea of a mini security box for home hookups. The reversal is ROFLMAO type stuff, though.... Do you folks also enjoy the BACK page of PC Magazine and a few others that have web bloopers on them???
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
edited May 2004
Sometimes irony is the reverse side of an obvious coin, yes.... I'll go further, usually it is.....
Sometimes irony is the reverse side of an obvious coin, yes.... I'll go further, usually it is.....
Inversion.... mis-stamp....
Where's that 'reverse side of an obvious coin' smiley when you need it! eh?
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
edited May 2004
Yeah, the funny thing about non-obvious sets of things working because they combine to work, or one simple mis-bundle of words or components yielding a hashed message-- and in the case of electronics yielding performance bugs due to hashed signals becasue the components unwontedly change things in the circuit given certain inputs, is that all comm is made by fallible men and there will be subtle or obvious mistakes laid publicly bare once the word set or electronics card gets out in the field.
The real funny thing about life, is that sharing mistakes and consequences helps others learn, while saying wrong without telling what then happened or providing better info (which is what machines are supposed to process, and this forum does it well because the code and the machine work together most of the time until oddball things happen like 50-70 people in one thread (deliberate exaggeration to emphasize point) all wanting to access it and answer it at once happens) gets reaction of having input insults while it works for the user who inputs it.
IT work is all about knowledge of facts and experience showing the framework they "fit" in, but without being able to "walk in the other person's shoes" as far as understanding goes the frameworks leaves out humans and their propensity to make mistakes.
Laughter can be sweet, but if it is at a friend's expense, don't do it too often-- don't harp on it. Co-operation involves teaching each other-- in the case of electronics, each part needs to understand what the other part sending it signals is TRYING to say and WHY, then forward the message appropriately-- if it misunderstands, the misunderstanding gets worse and worse through the whole circuit, and the faster the circuit runs and more complex it is, the more likiely that one simple non-obvious thing will have very fast unlikely consequences as to symptoms. And remembering your fubars and the likelihood of someone else doing same thing when thinking about harping helps not do that if we choose to let it....
Half the time, we laugh when we see something it took a lot of practice to learn not to do ourselves-- we laugh because to us as individuals (within the dynamic group) the error is obvious and the understanding of why seems so simple that we quietly laugh becuase we cannot figure out how someone else could not knwo that. We laugh hardest at what we maybe took in and understood first because we were better at thinking in the way that let us learn THAT lesson. Other half, we laugh because we have done same thing many times and do nto want to cry about it or seen many instances of it. We all think different, guaranteed, in details of how. Our neuron and chemical reaction sets are individually unique in subtle and sometimes obvious ways, they gotta be-- but the fact that so many of us CAN make sense of IT and want to, is something we cannot explain with just fact or just individual understanding.
This is partly for Thrax-- if you think something stinks, tell why and I will understand what not to tell YOU. But someone else particpating in the same thread might need to know that same thing and understand how it fits in a way that they can learn from, in word sets THEY understand. If I'm quoting, I am not always replying to the person quoted-- in fact more often than not, I'm using the words and logic to illustrate something rather than having the reply be a directed insult. If I wanted to insult, would do it in very obvious ways to ALL.
You got to make your posts a little more, shall I say, brief and on-topic? Take it from me...I was the king of essay posts at one time. You have so much to say but sometimes you veer off the topic a bit.
EG: This thread is about Mr. Bill's bent processor pins. (Which you can unbend but I'd return the processors...who wants that much damage that may come back to haunt you later on.)
Anyway my friend. It's my job to steer threads back on course and...to do what I can to save your knuckles from blowing out from all that typing.
When forced to straighten pin I use a knife, long, thin and straight. You work a little at a time, first one direction and then the other.
On TBirds I have brought pins back from nearly flat.
For $200 bucks I would want a replacement but... I too use a long skinny bladed knife and have done them row by row back and forth slowly. I sometimes I have to start with a long very tiny allen wrench or a long pin of some kind if they are really flay .... Like when my sweet daughter decided to tidy up my desk for me and crushed a 2000+ XP by setting a heavy book on it and bent half the pins on the cpu, some pretty much flat. (long sigh....) but thats a $40 CPU that was damged by me not a $200 one I had purchased either.
Tex
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
You got to make your posts a little more, shall I say, brief and on-topic? Take it from me...I was the king of essay posts at one time. You have so much to say but sometimes you veer off the topic a bit.
EG: This thread is about Mr. Bill's bent processor pins. (Which you can unbend but I'd return the processors...who wants that much damage that may come back to haunt you later on.)
Anyway my friend. It's my job to steer threads back on course and...to do what I can to save your knuckles from blowing out from all that typing.
MM, lots of problems occur because folks do not know what context to stick the answers into. If I only vary a BIT, then I am reaching most folks. Actually, I thought this place here was to solve problems, and true root causes for same can be very unobvious, at bottom line-- and are often interdynamic.
And I believe I said your EG as well as how already, and fact of question implied how or he would just have tried to unbend them and RMA'd if undoable as irreprably harmed in transit and not asked. For legal reasons, I had to say be careful. I have cut a CPU post off flush to pad with an XACTO after bending it too fast and getting a weak place in post metal right at base-- that is where those posts like to break most often. And have had machines brought to me with pins for CPU IN socket, but no longer attached to CPU, in so far that pin pad did not make solid contact. I'm a career tech. I won't mention how many malfing video cards I have seen that when I see the cord I know why, pin broke off, and worked too far into socket to contact-- and that relates to not weakening pin too much being hardest thing to do. They are tiny and of softer metal, not steel that resists side stresses much better.
Been typing for 37 years, I do more DTP than posting HERE...
Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited May 2004
not steel that resists side stresses much better
John, steel is not more malleable than copper or aluminum. I've worked with all 3, and I can tell you flat out that steel is nowhere near as flexible as copper or aluminum. You bend a steel pin, and it's likely to snap. And, just to be sure, I just called my grandfather, who agreed with me. My grandfather owns his own precision machining company. He's been working with metal for at least 30 years.
So far, two days and no response from the place I bought it.
I might just end up trying to fix it if my motherboard gets here before I hear back from them. I won't be able to just let the motherboard sit without knowing if I'm going to get a replacement cpu or not. Although, it does say " Supports up to two Intel® Xeon™ processors", so I guess I can get it going with one and then add the other later.
Hang tough and keep pestering them. Keep the product as was delivered to you; bent. I have unbent pins on a CPU before but that was a small bend of 3-4 pins...much less than I suspect you are talking about.
Take pictures of the damaged product and keep on that outfit with emails and phone calls until the acknowledge you.
So far, two days and no response from the place I bought it.
I might just end up trying to fix it if my motherboard gets here before I hear back from them. I won't be able to just let the motherboard sit without knowing if I'm going to get a replacement cpu or not. Although, it does say " Supports up to two Intel® Xeon™ processors", so I guess I can get it going with one and then add the other later.
Don't rush into anything with that many bent. That baby will run fine for now with one cpu. I had a dual 2.0 xeon setup based on a tyan mb that I sold to get the dual opteron.
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Like.. 1-3, 4-10, 10-20?
Once I get them started, I have a pair of tiny bent-nose tweezers I can use to straighten them most of the rest of the way. At that point, a tiny pair of very fine tapered and tiny jaw needle nose pliers which is used to squeeze bend out, working straight up from pin base. Done this with P4's and down. This process is for pins bent FLAT, otherwise I start with the paragrpah this sentence is in. Oh, I do it under a lighted swing-arm magnifier....
Sorry to say, not very easy, go very easy on bending pin bit by bit, go slow and gentle pin by pin working from innermost\centermost out, plan on a bunch of time per pin or possibly breaking one off and then you might as well write off the CPU. I've used a razor blade, cut myself doing so also. XACTO knife tip can be used to start a bent pin also, but be careful of that slipping or tape all but tip so you do not get slashed by accident-- a layer or two of electrical tape will help protect some, except for very tip of a tapered XACTO knife blade on its handle and used that way still on handle.
Technically, it is almost work for jeweler's tools and a magnifier loupe. I had tools a tiny tib bigger.
So how bent are your prongs, like a degree or two, or really out of shape? And how many of them are bent?
Edit:Posted right on top of ya... ...Ouch.
I'm gonna demand a replacement. I paid over $200 for each processor! :banghead:
I ordered it from a company I saw on pricewatch. Unfortunately, I checked their reseller rating AFTER I ordered from them. They have one entry and it's negative.
The order got here pretty quick though...
https://www.computerinternetneeds.com/v4/cgi-bin/mx.cgi
Having a CPU with that many pins bent indicates it has been exposed to serious trauma. Don't settle for anything but a replacement.
Isn't that nice, I'll spend $80 to keep a hacker safe from me, aren't I so nice?
Kinda the reverse of what Radio Shack sells same product for, they sell it to protect your computer and info and data from hackers..... Somebody's idea of a mini security box for home hookups. The reversal is ROFLMAO type stuff, though....
Inversion.... mis-stamp....
The real funny thing about life, is that sharing mistakes and consequences helps others learn, while saying wrong without telling what then happened or providing better info (which is what machines are supposed to process, and this forum does it well because the code and the machine work together most of the time until oddball things happen like 50-70 people in one thread (deliberate exaggeration to emphasize point) all wanting to access it and answer it at once happens) gets reaction of having input insults while it works for the user who inputs it.
IT work is all about knowledge of facts and experience showing the framework they "fit" in, but without being able to "walk in the other person's shoes" as far as understanding goes the frameworks leaves out humans and their propensity to make mistakes.
Laughter can be sweet, but if it is at a friend's expense, don't do it too often-- don't harp on it. Co-operation involves teaching each other-- in the case of electronics, each part needs to understand what the other part sending it signals is TRYING to say and WHY, then forward the message appropriately-- if it misunderstands, the misunderstanding gets worse and worse through the whole circuit, and the faster the circuit runs and more complex it is, the more likiely that one simple non-obvious thing will have very fast unlikely consequences as to symptoms. And remembering your fubars and the likelihood of someone else doing same thing when thinking about harping helps not do that if we choose to let it....
Half the time, we laugh when we see something it took a lot of practice to learn not to do ourselves-- we laugh because to us as individuals (within the dynamic group) the error is obvious and the understanding of why seems so simple that we quietly laugh becuase we cannot figure out how someone else could not knwo that. We laugh hardest at what we maybe took in and understood first because we were better at thinking in the way that let us learn THAT lesson. Other half, we laugh because we have done same thing many times and do nto want to cry about it or seen many instances of it. We all think different, guaranteed, in details of how. Our neuron and chemical reaction sets are individually unique in subtle and sometimes obvious ways, they gotta be-- but the fact that so many of us CAN make sense of IT and want to, is something we cannot explain with just fact or just individual understanding.
This is partly for Thrax-- if you think something stinks, tell why and I will understand what not to tell YOU. But someone else particpating in the same thread might need to know that same thing and understand how it fits in a way that they can learn from, in word sets THEY understand. If I'm quoting, I am not always replying to the person quoted-- in fact more often than not, I'm using the words and logic to illustrate something rather than having the reply be a directed insult. If I wanted to insult, would do it in very obvious ways to ALL.
You got to make your posts a little more, shall I say, brief and on-topic? Take it from me...I was the king of essay posts at one time. You have so much to say but sometimes you veer off the topic a bit.
EG: This thread is about Mr. Bill's bent processor pins. (Which you can unbend but I'd return the processors...who wants that much damage that may come back to haunt you later on.)
Anyway my friend. It's my job to steer threads back on course and...to do what I can to save your knuckles from blowing out from all that typing.
On TBirds I have brought pins back from nearly flat.
But, no, it is not my action of choice.
Tex
MM, lots of problems occur because folks do not know what context to stick the answers into. If I only vary a BIT, then I am reaching most folks. Actually, I thought this place here was to solve problems, and true root causes for same can be very unobvious, at bottom line-- and are often interdynamic.
And I believe I said your EG as well as how already, and fact of question implied how or he would just have tried to unbend them and RMA'd if undoable as irreprably harmed in transit and not asked. For legal reasons, I had to say be careful. I have cut a CPU post off flush to pad with an XACTO after bending it too fast and getting a weak place in post metal right at base-- that is where those posts like to break most often. And have had machines brought to me with pins for CPU IN socket, but no longer attached to CPU, in so far that pin pad did not make solid contact. I'm a career tech. I won't mention how many malfing video cards I have seen that when I see the cord I know why, pin broke off, and worked too far into socket to contact-- and that relates to not weakening pin too much being hardest thing to do. They are tiny and of softer metal, not steel that resists side stresses much better.
Been typing for 37 years, I do more DTP than posting HERE...
(I'm only kidding ya.
John, steel is not more malleable than copper or aluminum. I've worked with all 3, and I can tell you flat out that steel is nowhere near as flexible as copper or aluminum. You bend a steel pin, and it's likely to snap. And, just to be sure, I just called my grandfather, who agreed with me. My grandfather owns his own precision machining company. He's been working with metal for at least 30 years.
I might just end up trying to fix it if my motherboard gets here before I hear back from them. I won't be able to just let the motherboard sit without knowing if I'm going to get a replacement cpu or not. Although, it does say " Supports up to two Intel® Xeon™ processors", so I guess I can get it going with one and then add the other later.
Hang tough and keep pestering them. Keep the product as was delivered to you; bent. I have unbent pins on a CPU before but that was a small bend of 3-4 pins...much less than I suspect you are talking about.
Take pictures of the damaged product and keep on that outfit with emails and phone calls until the acknowledge you.
Don't rush into anything with that many bent. That baby will run fine for now with one cpu. I had a dual 2.0 xeon setup based on a tyan mb that I sold to get the dual opteron.
Tex