Board layout is irrelevant. The chipset and atx12v connector aren't going to kill cooling performance; the system isn't going to suffer, nothing's going to go wrong.. It doesn't matter.
why is the layout relevant if you're not going to use it? Just make it work and let go.
Those connectors are where they are supposed to be, i wish other manufacturers put their at the same place.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2004
The layout is relevant because I have to build it, and my dad and I have to work on it.The power connector on that Abit board is in an even worse position than it is on the NF7-S. It'll be even more of a pain in the ass to get out. AND it's directly in front of the exhaust fan on the case, which is a bad thing.
The chipset is very close to the CPU-at least it looks to be in that picture. This is not going to work well if the heatsink is very tall at all, as I want to use either an XP-90 or XP-120.
Besides, it's an Abit board, and I'm not real happy with Abit right now.
Geeky, that ATX plug will give you no grief unless you pick a POS skinny-ass case where you can't tuck the ATX connector wires under the far side of the psu. My EPoX board's ATX connector is basically in the same place and I just tucked the wires under the far side of the psu and then routed the wires to the connector and folded them down (this is on an Antec SX6xx clone case). The wires cause no airflow interference at all; they are below the level of the 80mm case fan.
Do whatever you want though; we've given you our thoughts and now it's up to you to decide what's important for you.
Newegg has the neo2 platinum (Socket 939) back in stock.
Or at least they did an hour ago when I ordered mine.
:celebrate
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2004
yeah, they've still got it... I'm not sure that's what I want to go with anymore tho. It's either that, the MSI K8N Neo Platinum (which is the s754 board), the Asus s754 nforce3 board, or the Asus s939 Via board. The MSI boards have really crappy CPU positioning... the XP-120 won't fit on the Neo2, and I'm not sure the XP-90 will fit on either one with the video card cooler I'm using... So I just need to think about it... I may just go with an nVSilencer 5 for the video card. It may be a POS, but it's better than the OEM 6800 heatsink, and would definately leave me room for the XP-90...
I know I'm treading on dangerous ground here, but my understanding is that the A64 CPU's run fairly cool. Maybe you could just make do with a simple, less-than-elegant CPU cooling alternative?
Just a thought but If you're not OCing then the Stock AMD 64 Heatsink will do, especially if Cool 'n' Quiet is enabled.
...and your point is...? I'm sure the stock heatsink is adequate. Unfortunately, "adequate" isn't good enough. It's an issue of headroom and reliability. The stock heatsink won't deal with dust buildup as well as the XP-90/120. Furtheremore, as you know, smaller fans have to turn faster to produce the same airflow as larger fans. The faster a fan spins, the faster it dies. And the stock heatsink won't handle passively cooling an A64. Beyond that, my dad wants systems that are quiet. A silent 92mm fan or 120mm fan will push more air more quietly and more reliably than the stock 60mm or 70mm fan.
This is why I'm probably going to go with the Gigabyte 6800GT; it's passively cooled. No tiny, high speed fan to make lots of noise and then die and leave the video card to cook.
Prof ducks, curses under his breath, and shakes his fist (or part of it ) above the rampart.
No! And I'll explain why... in a second...
Had to think about it, huh?
So, what are you going to (or did you) do?
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2004
heh. I was too lazy to type it out last night. I'm gonna think about it and order something on monday morning. Newegg will have it here by Wednesday (if we go with Newegg) which is plenty of time for me to assemble the system(s) (he may order 2 now) before I go back if I need to.
...and your point is...? I'm sure the stock heatsink is adequate. Unfortunately, "adequate" isn't good enough. It's an issue of headroom and reliability. The stock heatsink won't deal with dust buildup as well as the XP-90/120. Furtheremore, as you know, smaller fans have to turn faster to produce the same airflow as larger fans. The faster a fan spins, the faster it dies. And the stock heatsink won't handle passively cooling an A64. Beyond that, my dad wants systems that are quiet. A silent 92mm fan or 120mm fan will push more air more quietly and more reliably than the stock 60mm or 70mm fan.
This is why I'm probably going to go with the Gigabyte 6800GT; it's passively cooled. No tiny, high speed fan to make lots of noise and then die and leave the video card to cook.
A stock amd heatsink will handle an A64 in passive mode just as well as any other heatsink does. A64 is built that way so that the computer freezes or shuts off if the cpu gets to hot, it won't die.
It takes approx. 5 minutes before it freezes without any heatsink at all (without load off course). I have tried it many times. Cool and quiet is probably a much better safety sollution than any heatsink for those who are worried.
Why would a stock heatsink collect more dust that the heatsinks you mentioned? The stock amd 64 hs\fan is 80mm these days, at least on my 3000 winchester and i can hardly hear it when i use it.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2004
It's not that the stock heatsink would collect more dust, it's that when it does start getting full of dust, it won't have as much thermal headroom as a better hsf would. And I realize it has thermal protection, but I'd still like to do as much as I can to make sure it never needs it.
You'ld think that AMD engineers would take into account that the retail Heatsink Fan combo would have to last at least 3 years in a normal dusty environment. Considering that's the warranty and all...
Geeky1 making excuses. He wants to use that XP-120 ...... but he's not OCing.
That's using a Sledgehammer to kill a fly
HAHAHA
Thanks to everyone for all the info being thrown around this thread! It has saved me (and likely many others) the grief of finding it all individually.
I personally went with an ASUS A8V-DX and a 3000+. Still trying to put the final touches on the new system.
You know he wouldn't be able to resist putting at least one "Geeky sized" component in there...
I have this mental picture of him placing an order at newegg. He keeps clicking the add to cart/remove from cart buttons while sporting a scowlish, determined look. It is the face of a man who will not be satisfied until he has managed to spend more on a HSF than he did on the MB.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
You'ld think that AMD engineers would take into account that the retail Heatsink Fan combo would have to last at least 3 years in a normal dusty environment. Considering that's the warranty and all...
Considering the temps I've seen on past AMD systems with the OEM HSF? I don't think so... And I know the A64 runs cooler (at idle at least) than the AXP. I just don't care.
Ultimately, yes, I want to use the XP-90 (not the 120) because I consider it to be extra insurance, if you will. The system will be going to work when he's done with it in 2 years or whatever, and if it ends up on the shop floor, it will need that cooling, especially if it's out with the CNC mills. You guys wouldn't believe the kind of gunk that gets into computers that are around those things. They use an oil-based coolant that gets atomized and mixes with dust to create a gunk that's all but impossible to clean off. Even with soap and water. You really need a scrub brush. And, as you can imagine, its thermal transfer properties are, uh, not good.
Jim: I won't touch a board with a Via chipset unless it's my only choice. Which is why the Asus is my last resort.
Talked with my dad about the NF4 SLI board. He has no interest in getting it. He doesn't like going with bleeding edge technology, and he doesn't really want to spend the extra $100. So, it'll be either the MSI or a s754 board with an nVidia chipset.
I'm still not convinced that s939 is that much of an advantage in this case. The chance of a CPU upgrade in the future is effectively zero... How much slower are we talking about here? I thought s754 was only a few % slower than s939...
I use to think the same as you
but im VERY impressed with the Kt800 this time around its very stable and quick .
but im VERY impressed with the Kt800 this time around its very stable and quick .
KT800/KT880 = Athlon XP
K8T800/K8T800 Pro = Athlon 64
Athlon 64 = K8
Athlon XP = K7
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited January 2005
Well, assuming my dad goes for it, I've got the two systems finalized- one from PixelUSA, one that I'd build... which one he decides on is up to him...
PixelUSA: Case Antec SLK-3700BQE Power Supply Antec True480 Motherboard ASUS K8N-E Deluxe CPU AMD Athlon 64 3400+ s754 RAM Kingston 512MB PC3200 Video Card PNY GeForce 6800GT Sound Card Integrated Network Card Integrated Hard Drive Maxtor DiamondMax 10 200GB SATA CD-RW LiteOn 52/32/52 (Black) DVD-RW LiteOn 16x dual-layer (Black) Zip Drive Iomega Zip250 (Black) Floppy Mitsumi 3.5" (Black)
CPU Heatsink Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu CPU Fan Integrated w/heatsink Case Fans Thermaltake A2018 120mm thermally controlled (From SVC) Video Cooler Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5 (from SVC) SATA Cable 18" 180 and 90* angled SATA cable IDE Cable 18" ATA-133 dual-drive (silver) Floppy Cable Single drive round 10" (silver)
Keyboard Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard Mouse Logitech MX-510 blue OR red Speakers JBL Duet (white) 2.0 speakers (from Newegg)
Windows Windows XP Home Office Office 2003 Small Business
The one I'd build: Case Antec SLK-3700BQE Power Supply Fortron FSP530-60GNA 530w PS Motherboard ASUS K8N-E Deluxe CPU AMD Athlon 64 3400+ retail s754 RAM Mushkin PC3200 dual pack (2x512mb, 1GB total) Video Card Albatron GeForce 6800 Sound Card Integrated Network Card Integrated Hard Drive Maxtor 160GB SATA CD-RW LiteOn 52/32/52 CD-RW (black)-retail DVD-RW LiteOn 16x dual-layer (black)-retail Zip Drive Iomega Zip 250 (black) Floppy Samsung 3.5" (black)
CPU Heatsink Thermalright XP-90 CPU Fan Thermaltake A2017 92mm thermally controlled Case Fans Thermaltake A2018 120mm thermally controlled Video Cooler Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5 SATA Cable 18" 180 and 90* angled SATA cable IDE Cable Coolmax ATA-133 18" dual-drive round cable, silver Floppy Cable Coolmax Floppy 12" single drive round cable, silver
Keyboard Microsoft Internet Keyboard (OEM) Mouse Logitech MX-510 (blue) Speakers JBL Duet (white) 2.0 speakers
Windows Windows XP Home Office Office 2003 Small Business
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Those connectors are where they are supposed to be, i wish other manufacturers put their at the same place.
The chipset is very close to the CPU-at least it looks to be in that picture. This is not going to work well if the heatsink is very tall at all, as I want to use either an XP-90 or XP-120.
Besides, it's an Abit board, and I'm not real happy with Abit right now.
Do whatever you want though; we've given you our thoughts and now it's up to you to decide what's important for you.
Or at least they did an hour ago when I ordered mine.
:celebrate
Prof ducks...
No! And I'll explain why... in a second...
No! And I'll explain why... in a second...
You are taking this a bit too seriously, Mr. Geeky1
Lighten up! This is such a simple job, you're stressing out over the littlest things. :woowoo:
...and your point is...?
This is why I'm probably going to go with the Gigabyte 6800GT; it's passively cooled. No tiny, high speed fan to make lots of noise and then die and leave the video card to cook.
Had to think about it, huh?
So, what are you going to (or did you) do?
A stock amd heatsink will handle an A64 in passive mode just as well as any other heatsink does. A64 is built that way so that the computer freezes or shuts off if the cpu gets to hot, it won't die.
It takes approx. 5 minutes before it freezes without any heatsink at all (without load off course). I have tried it many times. Cool and quiet is probably a much better safety sollution than any heatsink for those who are worried.
Why would a stock heatsink collect more dust that the heatsinks you mentioned? The stock amd 64 hs\fan is 80mm these days, at least on my 3000 winchester and i can hardly hear it when i use it.
That's using a Sledgehammer to kill a fly
HAHAHA
Thanks to everyone for all the info being thrown around this thread! It has saved me (and likely many others) the grief of finding it all individually.
I personally went with an ASUS A8V-DX and a 3000+. Still trying to put the final touches on the new system.
Considering the temps I've seen on past AMD systems with the OEM HSF? I don't think so... And I know the A64 runs cooler (at idle at least) than the AXP. I just don't care.
Ultimately, yes, I want to use the XP-90 (not the 120) because I consider it to be extra insurance, if you will. The system will be going to work when he's done with it in 2 years or whatever, and if it ends up on the shop floor, it will need that cooling, especially if it's out with the CNC mills. You guys wouldn't believe the kind of gunk that gets into computers that are around those things. They use an oil-based coolant that gets atomized and mixes with dust to create a gunk that's all but impossible to clean off. Even with soap and water. You really need a scrub brush. And, as you can imagine, its thermal transfer properties are, uh, not good.
So yeah... XP-90 it is.
but im VERY impressed with the Kt800 this time around its very stable and quick
K8T800/K8T800 Pro = Athlon 64
Athlon 64 = K8
Athlon XP = K7
PixelUSA:
Case Antec SLK-3700BQE
Power Supply Antec True480
Motherboard ASUS K8N-E Deluxe
CPU AMD Athlon 64 3400+ s754
RAM Kingston 512MB PC3200
Video Card PNY GeForce 6800GT
Sound Card Integrated
Network Card Integrated
Hard Drive Maxtor DiamondMax 10 200GB SATA
CD-RW LiteOn 52/32/52 (Black)
DVD-RW LiteOn 16x dual-layer (Black)
Zip Drive Iomega Zip250 (Black)
Floppy Mitsumi 3.5" (Black)
CPU Heatsink Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu
CPU Fan Integrated w/heatsink
Case Fans Thermaltake A2018 120mm thermally controlled (From SVC)
Video Cooler Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5 (from SVC)
SATA Cable 18" 180 and 90* angled SATA cable
IDE Cable 18" ATA-133 dual-drive (silver)
Floppy Cable Single drive round 10" (silver)
Keyboard Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard
Mouse Logitech MX-510 blue OR red
Speakers JBL Duet (white) 2.0 speakers (from Newegg)
Windows Windows XP Home
Office Office 2003 Small Business
The one I'd build:
Case Antec SLK-3700BQE
Power Supply Fortron FSP530-60GNA 530w PS
Motherboard ASUS K8N-E Deluxe
CPU AMD Athlon 64 3400+ retail s754
RAM Mushkin PC3200 dual pack (2x512mb, 1GB total)
Video Card Albatron GeForce 6800
Sound Card Integrated
Network Card Integrated
Hard Drive Maxtor 160GB SATA
CD-RW LiteOn 52/32/52 CD-RW (black)-retail
DVD-RW LiteOn 16x dual-layer (black)-retail
Zip Drive Iomega Zip 250 (black)
Floppy Samsung 3.5" (black)
CPU Heatsink Thermalright XP-90
CPU Fan Thermaltake A2017 92mm thermally controlled
Case Fans Thermaltake A2018 120mm thermally controlled
Video Cooler Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5
SATA Cable 18" 180 and 90* angled SATA cable
IDE Cable Coolmax ATA-133 18" dual-drive round cable, silver
Floppy Cable Coolmax Floppy 12" single drive round cable, silver
Keyboard Microsoft Internet Keyboard (OEM)
Mouse Logitech MX-510 (blue)
Speakers JBL Duet (white) 2.0 speakers
Windows Windows XP Home
Office Office 2003 Small Business