Yeah I was going to say get back on topic here guys.
The fan on the lappy is fine. The Laptop you have from powernotebooks prolly just has better cooling. I have a Dell. And I can get 1700ppw with it and its only a 1.6 P-M.
Since that ain't the topic and the real topic is our drop in rank... however I will state my "case" in this case.
Back in 1996 or so, when I first started using the internet, I remember when everybody jumped on the Netscape Bandwagon. Then, a few years later, everyone jumped on the Internet Explorer Bandwagon. Now is no different. Now, everyone is jumping on the Firefox Bandwagon. I really don't feel like jumping on bandwagons.
I've used IE as my main browser since 1996. I've been satisfied with it although I have used other browsers, my main choice being Opera. A browser is a browser, so use what you want.
But rememeber, just like Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just Say No!"
Well, that "Just Say NO!" was an anti-evil campaign. I can tell yuo thateven with IE at SP2 in XP SP2, I use IE as little as possible and use Firefox or Mozilla.
Also, you might want to note that Netsape now is based on a Gecko core, has or will have a two-click option to show pages in IE if they fail Yes, Netscape will be able to do this if it is not fully able now as beta 0.5.6+ (PC World is source for this)-- ever seen a browser call another browser and pass a URL\URI to it before so that the other borwser opens the opage in a new window(??)-- I have not, I have never seen this handoff really implemented before.
Netscape will also allow nimble tab control of browsing with tabs, which both FireFox and Mozilla can do now, so if you want a tabbed browser you are more likely to get one from Mozilla, Firefox, or by waiting a bit and getting it from Netscape (best advice here it to wait until it reaches 0.8+ to 0.9+)with its normal green interface and tabbing, etc. Netscape, says PC WORLD should be at version one (on a Gecko base, probably from FireFox work plus Mozilla work), by end of year so if you want to see a combo mail\newsgroup\composer of HTML\Browser check out Mozilla 1.7 and by end of year expect Netscape to be out of beta for version 1+ and expect Netscape to be developed better as time goes onward.
Note that AOL also helps fund the Mozilla foundation some, and gets rights to use some of the Mozilla Foundation's coding. Result of this is that AOL gets to customize Mozilla and firefox and Thunderbird features in measure each into Netscape and Mozilla foundation gets some help froim AOL in coding and also some monetary funds.
What we are seeing for browsers is morphs of them in increasingly complex ways. I expect Netscape to rise from its ashes some, Mozilla and FireFox and Thunderbird dev to continue, and Opera to continue dev. The mostr major reason I do NOT use Opera often now is simple-- both Mozilla and Firefox have beter email\newsggroup and compose modules out there than Opera Does, and those module rival Outlook Express almost to evenness of features while being better at catching spam and junking it.
Right now my favs are a blended use of most ot the Mozilla Foundations work, with IE available at need also.
I think a lot of our drop in rank has not only to do with recruitment of new members and keeping current members active, it also has to do with higher point WU's that some of these newer and larger groups like Team MacOS X are taking advantage of.
I know that in Seti@Home teams there is a way to prune inactive members, but many teams never do. I'm still on Team Art Bell under two nicks, but I haven't done anything with Seti in almost two years. I wonder if pruning inactive members, mainly ones that do one WU and then quit would help, but not pruning ones like t1rhino which are only inactive due to no fault of their own, but have contributed greatly to the cause.
As for dropping any further, we seem to be pretty safe for at least the next seven months or so, as p2p-community(#15) seems to be the only threat to us so far.
I wonder what people's motives are when they join a team and fold only one or two WU's and then quit?
...I wonder what people's motives are when they join a team and fold only one or two WU's and then quit?
I know that I'm always trying out a new utility, etc. Some of them don't stay on my machine longer than five minutes. I think some people see us devoted Folders carrying on about what a great project this is (and it really is), install it, then expect some miraculous immediate result.
At least the handful of WU's turned in by the "dabblers" do a little good. Added together throughout the project it probably adds up to a significant amount.
Obviously, it's the ones who stick it out for the long haul who do the most good.
I know that I'm always trying out a new utility, etc. Some of them don't stay on my machine longer than five minutes. I think some people see us devoted Folders carrying on about what a great project this is (and it really is), install it, then expect some miraculous immediate result.
At least the handful of WU's turned in by the "dabblers" do a little good. Added together throughout the project it probably adds up to a significant amount.
Obviously, it's the ones who stick it out for the long haul who do the most good.
those that expect the "miraculous immediate result", are probably the same ones that expect getting broadband internet will make their 10 year old computer faster or help them lose weight without exercise or dieting. I wonder what sort of miraculous result they expect from F@H?
The dabblers do good for the cause as a whole, but why join a team, why not be anonymous?
One thing to keep in mind is that we haven't fallen in the standings because our team is slowing down. It's just that a few others have gotten better. One of the teams that passed us (SAgoons) came out of nowhere. They had a well-established website with thousands of members. When they took up the Folding cause they had a built in advantage due to their large membership. Nothing against Team MacOS, but it's reasonable to assume that they had a similar advantage.
Yeah, the big hack job hurt this team badly, no doubt about it. Plus, you have some teams that have since passed us that are from really big forums many times the size of us here at SM, so I don't feel badly about being passed. For a forum our size, we pack a pretty damn bigg folding wallop and we are in the project for the long term. Let's see how some of these up-n-comers are doing a year or 2 down the road.
BTW, at one time we were in 5th place, directly behind hardocp, OCAU, overclockers.com and rage3d. That was shortly before the big Icrontic hack.
BTW, I kinda get a kick out of the mac boys because they needed the power of their x86 machines under their direction to pass us.
Edit: This team (Team # 93) was Team Icrontic before the site was hacked and we lost the whole site. The domain names were being sold so prime, MM, and shorty created Short-Media and thats where the team went since we had no home at the time.
I added two Opteron 850's (temporarily), an a64 3400+, an athlon 1800+ permenantly, and the very first thing I'll be doing with my 1.8ghz G5 is installing F@H when I get it
I added two Opteron 850's (temporarily), an a64 3400+, an athlon 1800+ permenantly, and the very first thing I'll be doing with my 1.8ghz G5 is installing F@H when I get it
very, very well.. See mondi's score? He rose through the ranks VERY QUICKLY when he had a G5 lab folding for a little while. Once I have it folding, I'll get some real numbers for you.
That's some interesting numbers, Macaholic. It's roughly equivelent to my Dothan 2.0 laptop it looks like. I haven't done the same wu's as yours but it has done similar ones in the p130x range at around that same speed.
Now if they only made a Mac that you could easily overclock (and wasn't proprietary on main components).
I've lost pretty much all my folding power. All I have left is my main rig. Since I left school, I've given away my spare Palomino rig, and I had to leave my two Presshot workstations behind at my last job. Can't use the computers at my new job, either. They monitor all the net activity. I could probably get away with folding on the laptop if I only send/rec. work when I bring it home. If only I could get some time on one of their supercomputers...
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The fan on the lappy is fine. The Laptop you have from powernotebooks prolly just has better cooling. I have a Dell. And I can get 1700ppw with it and its only a 1.6 P-M.
Well, ppw=points per week.
And I think I'll ask my parents to start folding today.
Well, that "Just Say NO!" was an anti-evil campaign. I can tell yuo thateven with IE at SP2 in XP SP2, I use IE as little as possible and use Firefox or Mozilla.
Also, you might want to note that Netsape now is based on a Gecko core, has or will have a two-click option to show pages in IE if they fail Yes, Netscape will be able to do this if it is not fully able now as beta 0.5.6+ (PC World is source for this)-- ever seen a browser call another browser and pass a URL\URI to it before so that the other borwser opens the opage in a new window(??)-- I have not, I have never seen this handoff really implemented before.
Netscape will also allow nimble tab control of browsing with tabs, which both FireFox and Mozilla can do now, so if you want a tabbed browser you are more likely to get one from Mozilla, Firefox, or by waiting a bit and getting it from Netscape (best advice here it to wait until it reaches 0.8+ to 0.9+)with its normal green interface and tabbing, etc. Netscape, says PC WORLD should be at version one (on a Gecko base, probably from FireFox work plus Mozilla work), by end of year so if you want to see a combo mail\newsgroup\composer of HTML\Browser check out Mozilla 1.7 and by end of year expect Netscape to be out of beta for version 1+ and expect Netscape to be developed better as time goes onward.
Note that AOL also helps fund the Mozilla foundation some, and gets rights to use some of the Mozilla Foundation's coding. Result of this is that AOL gets to customize Mozilla and firefox and Thunderbird features in measure each into Netscape and Mozilla foundation gets some help froim AOL in coding and also some monetary funds.
What we are seeing for browsers is morphs of them in increasingly complex ways. I expect Netscape to rise from its ashes some, Mozilla and FireFox and Thunderbird dev to continue, and Opera to continue dev. The mostr major reason I do NOT use Opera often now is simple-- both Mozilla and Firefox have beter email\newsggroup and compose modules out there than Opera Does, and those module rival Outlook Express almost to evenness of features while being better at catching spam and junking it.
Right now my favs are a blended use of most ot the Mozilla Foundations work, with IE available at need also.
BTW- what was our highest ever ranking and when was it?
For whatever reason, other teams managed to attract more new folders than we did.
Good to see there is still the old "Never say die attitude".
I think a lot of our drop in rank has not only to do with recruitment of new members and keeping current members active, it also has to do with higher point WU's that some of these newer and larger groups like Team MacOS X are taking advantage of.
I know that in Seti@Home teams there is a way to prune inactive members, but many teams never do. I'm still on Team Art Bell under two nicks, but I haven't done anything with Seti in almost two years. I wonder if pruning inactive members, mainly ones that do one WU and then quit would help, but not pruning ones like t1rhino which are only inactive due to no fault of their own, but have contributed greatly to the cause.
As for dropping any further, we seem to be pretty safe for at least the next seven months or so, as p2p-community(#15) seems to be the only threat to us so far.
At least the handful of WU's turned in by the "dabblers" do a little good. Added together throughout the project it probably adds up to a significant amount.
Obviously, it's the ones who stick it out for the long haul who do the most good.
those that expect the "miraculous immediate result", are probably the same ones that expect getting broadband internet will make their 10 year old computer faster or help them lose weight without exercise or dieting. I wonder what sort of miraculous result they expect from F@H?
The dabblers do good for the cause as a whole, but why join a team, why not be anonymous?
Then there was the big debacle...
BTW, at one time we were in 5th place, directly behind hardocp, OCAU, overclockers.com and rage3d. That was shortly before the big Icrontic hack.
BTW, I kinda get a kick out of the mac boys because they needed the power of their x86 machines under their direction to pass us.
Yeah I think I heard they are mostly x86 too.:D
We do pack a nice punch for the forum size.
Edit: This team (Team # 93) was Team Icrontic before the site was hacked and we lost the whole site. The domain names were being sold so prime, MM, and shorty created Short-Media and thats where the team went since we had no home at the time.
S-M was formed in the aftermath.
sounded like piss poor management to me.
Just out of curiosity, how well do the G5's fold?
This should give you a general idea on an iMac G5 1.8GHz with 1GB Dual Channel RAM.
Index 1: finished 343.00 pts (10.689 pt/hr) 27.7 X min speed; project: 1318
Index 9: finished 302.00 pts (10.086 pt/hr) 26.5 X min speed; project: 1314
Index 8: finished 346.00 pts (10.890 pt/hr) 27.9 X min speed; project: 1321
Now if they only made a Mac that you could easily overclock (and wasn't proprietary on main components).