Since that ain't the topic and the real topic is our drop in rank... however I will state my "case" in this case.
Back in 1996 or so, when I first started using the internet, I remember when everybody jumped on the Netscape Bandwagon. Then, a few years later, everyone jumped on the Internet Explorer Bandwagon. Now is no different. Now, everyone is jumping on the Firefox Bandwagon. I really don't feel like jumping on bandwagons.
I've used IE as my main browser since 1996. I've been satisfied with it although I have used other browsers, my main choice being Opera. A browser is a browser, so use what you want.
But rememeber, just like Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just Say No!"
I've switched, and I'm a person who really hates change. I've de-Maxthonizing myself, I've become dependent on Firefox (just wish the tabs weren't quite so delayed...).
You ... must ... switch ... !
(on a side note, even though it's the real topic , I'm still folding for us - I know my friend Mc.Dubs added around 2 3.2c+ ghz Intels and a handful of A64s )
Just to chime in about firefox, nobody else had brought it up before and I hadn't felt compelled enough to post a new thread about it. I have had nothing but problems with the official release of Firefox. I have installed it and uninstalled it twice now. I loved using the preofficial release, it rocked but now I'm back to you using IE.
Main things I have noticed are.....Everytime I go to sign into my gmail account, firefox closes down and reports an error and wants to send it to MS, happens 85% of the time.
- Too many tabs open in one browser window and I couldn't close them tab by tab by clicking on the little x, it would be like it's frozen and the only way to close is right-clk on the tab and select close this tab...annoying.
Thery were other minor quirks that are negligible but in the end, they pissed me off.
I do have Firefox on my computer and I do use it occasionally. However, I don't see a reason to switch completely. As for other "alternative" browsers, Opera worked way better for me when I was on dial-up, as it seemed faster in loading pages on a 26.4K connection... the best that I could get. If I decided to ditch IE, Opera would be my choice.
I'm helping out with my three machines, although one is down untill I the new hard drive arrives.
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witenoiz19,356 miles East of Kansas City, MOMember
edited January 2005
So we drop to 12 - move down to 13 - then back to 12 - or what ever the stats predict. I am not sad - heck those guys moving up are helping the cause We need to pull together and watch individual competition on the team
JonsHandbrake is spending all the 'gold' Jon brings home from the mines on new computers and look at weedo challenging all of the above! WE the TEAM will be fine!! Jack
I'm trying to add boxes to my folding group, hopefully push myself back into the Top 20 Producers that I enjoyed so much
And as for the second topic of the thread:
I've tried FireFox as well as several other browsers, and of course I use IE primarily and I have for quite some time.
I just don't understand these people who think they're on some crusade to force everybody to switch? I use IE, I'm used to it, it's a solid product that I very rarely have problems with, I see no reason to switch. I also see no reason for me try and make everybody use IE over another browser. Baseless claims of "FireFox is a superior products" rarely coupled with reasons to back it up other than 'omgz I saw on cnet news.com that IE has a new security flaw, SWITCH NOW CAUSE FIREFOX NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL HAVE A SECURITY PROBLEM!!?!!?!@#one!!
Like seriously, if you enjoy FireFox, fine, im happy for you and glad you like it but you look foolish and immature to talk about how IE is so inferior, etc. to try to force other people into switching I think people should go with what they like and stop trying to force their opinions on others, just my thoughts though.
So we drop to 12 - move down to 13 - then back to 12 - or what ever the stats predict. I am not sad - heck those guys moving up are helping the cause We need to pull together and watch individual competition on the team
JonsHandbrake is spending all the 'gold' Jon brings home from the mines on new computers and look at weedo challenging all of the above! WE the TEAM will be fine!! Jack
actually Cam, I AM on a crusade to get everybody to switch to firefox.. Not expert users like you guys, but the average joe user like my mom and dad, my sister, etc. Non-experts who use IE are just gigantic virus and spyware pumps. They sit there and get horrendously infected with every know piece of spyware and then their computers sit there and are used to generate even more and more (whether literally, or by creating revenue for spyware and virus authors). Non-experts who use firefox, like the vast majority of clients that I work with, are FAR safer using firefox than IE. You just can't deny that part of it.
As the late Rodney Dangerfield once said "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out".
I would kindly suggest that we stay a little more on-topic, except for the fact that half of the S-M heavy-hitters are already involved in the melee...
Thanks, those of you who have felt it worthwhile to address the issue at hand.
As soon as I get my new G5, I'll be adding that to the team
Ask mondi how well a G5 folds
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witenoiz19,356 miles East of Kansas City, MOMember
edited January 2005
I have looked all over for a browser thread and can't find one. I do have a few things to say about this. Ain't it funny how you can't tell why things changed. Oh the avatar was nice. Jack
As soon as I get my new G5, I'll be adding that to the team
Ask mondi how well a G5 folds
prime, if I didn't know better I'd think you were trying to drag a Mac vs. PC war into our existing Browser conflict. It was this sort of thing that made WWI so horrible.
How about linux? Many people say it really kicks Windows butt. Will it run on a Mac? What's the best browser for it? What about Folding on linux? We might as well get an OS war going, too.
All this is in fun, BTW.
To get back to the subject at hand, I will take this opportunity to announce that my brand spanking new Athlon64 3500+ rig is now Folding for Team 93. Some of you in the Top 25 might not want to get too used to your spot in the rankings.
I might as well not be folding. World of Warcraft is currently killing my processor. I actually have to turn FAH off because of 200+ megs total ram usage. WoW needs even more. They cannot coexist.
On the whole browser war thing... I agree with prime. I use FF and have converted my parents, brother, and two friends to FF as well.
I might as well not be folding. World of Warcraft is currently killing my processor. I actually have to turn FAH off because of 200+ megs total ram usage. WoW needs even more. They cannot coexist...
Are you using the graphical client or the console? There is a way to avoid the jumbo WU's with the graphical. I would expect there to be a way to do it with the console, too.
Either way, don't give up just because you feel you can't Fold 24/7. Even a little bit is better than nothing. You have to sleep sometime, right?
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
edited January 2005
Agree with FF thing 100% for Windows. For Linux, I prefer Mozilla for both browsing and the newsgroup + mail handler and some FTP tranfers of legal kinds also.
Since this is also a Team Short-Media thread, without wanting to hijack and just mentioning, going away from home for a week plus does scarily good things to my two boxes' production per day. High 300's per day (average per EOC) for those 8 days since I have been online AND posting here, as an average. And not all the WU's completed recently have even percolated to EOC yet as of this message time stamp, mostly because they're not even showing on Stanford's server yet either. But, what DOES show is 57,082 points topward my contribution of work for team and Stanford's Folding research as new total.
If someone really wants to play WoW and fold, try a 512-768 MB minimum for RAM and probably a Gigabyte of RAM would be better. That is what both the Windows XP and the Linux box here have, folding one instance each on P4 CPU's of about same speed.
I've got about 12 PCs folding right now, unfortunatly, most of which are P3-500 to P3-800MHz machines. Have to see if I can get some more into the fold P3 power!
actually Cam, I AM on a crusade to get everybody to switch to firefox.. Not expert users like you guys, but the average joe user like my mom and dad, my sister, etc. Non-experts who use IE are just gigantic virus and spyware pumps. They sit there and get horrendously infected with every know piece of spyware and then their computers sit there and are used to generate even more and more (whether literally, or by creating revenue for spyware and virus authors). Non-experts who use firefox, like the vast majority of clients that I work with, are FAR safer using firefox than IE. You just can't deny that part of it.
I just spent the better part of this afternoon and this evening disinfecting my sisters computer. I found a ton of spyware and two viruses. Most of it is because she and her husband download crap willy-nilly without thinking. Both viruses were trojans, no worms though.
BTW- If Firefox were the main browser of choice for most folks, then what browser do you think the virus writers would go after? Firefox? IE? Opera? AOL?
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited January 2005
Thread hijacked? No, compromised. OK, to prove my point...
On topic -- (what was it?) I have the opportunity to add a Pentium M laptop. Problem is, with Folding running the CPU heats way up in only about 45 seconds. The CPU fan is completely annoying. It's my work laptop that sits next to my desktop. Drives me crazy. I've had to turn Folding off. Shame. Anyone have a solution? The CPU even heats up with Folding set to use only 50% CPU resources. Any less than 50% and the work unit complete times are just rediculous.
Off topic -- Prime mentioned that for the unsophisticated, everyday user, Firefox is best. Yes, exactly. Even for the slightly better than ordinary user who runs anti-spyware programs occasionally. Yes, I've recruited several people who now run Firefox. So there!
By the way, there really wasn't a IE "bandwagon" for people to jump on, abandoning Netscape. IE became bundled with Windows (good thing, for the most part) and people just started using it, not needing to download third-party browsing software. Netscapes reaction was to create that bloated monster - what was it, Communicator v4.5? That was the end of Netscape for me. So there!
Thread hijacked? No, compromised. OK, to prove my point...
By the way, there really wasn't a IE "bandwagon" for people to jump on, abandoning Netscape. IE became bundled with Windows (good thing, for the most part) and people just started using it, not needing to download third-party browsing software. Netscapes reaction was to create that bloated monster - what was it, Communicator v4.5? That was the end of Netscape for me. So there!
The bandwagons only exist within the tech community, not the general public. First it was the Netscape bandwagon (IE is bloated and does not conform to standards), then the IE bandwagon (because there really was nothing else), now the Firefox bandwagon (It's dummy proof! )
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Support your claims, sir!
Since that ain't the topic and the real topic is our drop in rank... however I will state my "case" in this case.
Back in 1996 or so, when I first started using the internet, I remember when everybody jumped on the Netscape Bandwagon. Then, a few years later, everyone jumped on the Internet Explorer Bandwagon. Now is no different. Now, everyone is jumping on the Firefox Bandwagon. I really don't feel like jumping on bandwagons.
I've used IE as my main browser since 1996. I've been satisfied with it although I have used other browsers, my main choice being Opera. A browser is a browser, so use what you want.
But rememeber, just like Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just Say No!"
You ... must ... switch ... !
(on a side note, even though it's the real topic
I added a P3/1000 today.
Main things I have noticed are.....Everytime I go to sign into my gmail account, firefox closes down and reports an error and wants to send it to MS, happens 85% of the time.
- Too many tabs open in one browser window and I couldn't close them tab by tab by clicking on the little x, it would be like it's frozen and the only way to close is right-clk on the tab and select close this tab...annoying.
Thery were other minor quirks that are negligible but in the end, they pissed me off.
Still.................doing our bit , i guess.
JonsHandbrake is spending all the 'gold' Jon brings home from the mines on new computers and look at weedo challenging all of the above!
And as for the second topic of the thread:
I've tried FireFox as well as several other browsers, and of course I use IE primarily and I have for quite some time.
I just don't understand these people who think they're on some crusade to force everybody to switch? I use IE, I'm used to it, it's a solid product that I very rarely have problems with, I see no reason to switch. I also see no reason for me try and make everybody use IE over another browser. Baseless claims of "FireFox is a superior products" rarely coupled with reasons to back it up other than 'omgz I saw on cnet news.com that IE has a new security flaw, SWITCH NOW CAUSE FIREFOX NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL HAVE A SECURITY PROBLEM!!?!!?!@#one!!
Like seriously, if you enjoy FireFox, fine, im happy for you and glad you like it but you look foolish and immature to talk about how IE is so inferior, etc. to try to force other people into switching I think people should go with what they like and stop trying to force their opinions on others, just my thoughts though.
I was just going to say that.
I would kindly suggest that we stay a little more on-topic, except for the fact that half of the S-M heavy-hitters are already involved in the melee...
Thanks, those of you who have felt it worthwhile to address the issue at hand.
Ask mondi how well a G5 folds
How about linux? Many people say it really kicks Windows butt. Will it run on a Mac? What's the best browser for it? What about Folding on linux? We might as well get an OS war going, too.
All this is in fun, BTW.
To get back to the subject at hand, I will take this opportunity to announce that my brand spanking new Athlon64 3500+ rig is now Folding for Team 93. Some of you in the Top 25 might not want to get too used to your spot in the rankings.
No, Yes, No, No, Yes, Firefox, Yes, No.
Yes.
YES
On the whole browser war thing... I agree with prime. I use FF and have converted my parents, brother, and two friends to FF as well.
Either way, don't give up just because you feel you can't Fold 24/7. Even a little bit is better than nothing. You have to sleep sometime, right?
Since this is also a Team Short-Media thread, without wanting to hijack and just mentioning, going away from home for a week plus does scarily good things to my two boxes' production per day. High 300's per day (average per EOC) for those 8 days since I have been online AND posting here, as an average. And not all the WU's completed recently have even percolated to EOC yet as of this message time stamp, mostly because they're not even showing on Stanford's server yet either. But, what DOES show is 57,082 points topward my contribution of work for team and Stanford's Folding research as new total.
If someone really wants to play WoW and fold, try a 512-768 MB minimum for RAM and probably a Gigabyte of RAM would be better. That is what both the Windows XP and the Linux box here have, folding one instance each on P4 CPU's of about same speed.
and I added a 1.4 duron
I just spent the better part of this afternoon and this evening disinfecting my sisters computer. I found a ton of spyware and two viruses. Most of it is because she and her husband download crap willy-nilly without thinking. Both viruses were trojans, no worms though.
BTW- If Firefox were the main browser of choice for most folks, then what browser do you think the virus writers would go after? Firefox? IE? Opera? AOL?
On topic -- (what was it?) I have the opportunity to add a Pentium M laptop. Problem is, with Folding running the CPU heats way up in only about 45 seconds. The CPU fan is completely annoying. It's my work laptop that sits next to my desktop. Drives me crazy. I've had to turn Folding off. Shame. Anyone have a solution? The CPU even heats up with Folding set to use only 50% CPU resources. Any less than 50% and the work unit complete times are just rediculous.
Off topic -- Prime mentioned that for the unsophisticated, everyday user, Firefox is best. Yes, exactly. Even for the slightly better than ordinary user who runs anti-spyware programs occasionally. Yes, I've recruited several people who now run Firefox. So there!
By the way, there really wasn't a IE "bandwagon" for people to jump on, abandoning Netscape. IE became bundled with Windows (good thing, for the most part) and people just started using it, not needing to download third-party browsing software. Netscapes reaction was to create that bloated monster - what was it, Communicator v4.5? That was the end of Netscape for me. So there!
The bandwagons only exist within the tech community, not the general public. First it was the Netscape bandwagon (IE is bloated and does not conform to standards), then the IE bandwagon (because there really was nothing else), now the Firefox bandwagon (It's dummy proof!