Beware Vista's New Licensing

WingaWinga MrSouth Africa Icrontian
edited October 2006 in Science & Tech
Before rushing out to buy your retail copy of Vista, you may want to take a look at Microsoft's new license terms.

Licenses for the Windows Vista operating system differ from those for Windows XP in that they limit the number of times retail editions can be transferred to another device and ban the two least-expensive versions from running in a virtual machine.

The licenses, which can be viewed on Vista's official blog add new restrictions to how and where Windows can be used. "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the "licensed device," reads the license for Windows Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, and Business. In other words, once a retail copy of Vista is installed on a PC, it can be moved to another system only once.
The license also forbids users from installing Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium in a virtual machine. "You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system". Ultimate and Vista Business, however, can be installed within a Virtual Machine. Meaning if you are running Basic or Premium in a VM, you're violating the license.

Vista will also strip OS functionality should validation fail. What people feared with activation in XP is now coming true in Vista. The OS will periodically “validate” itself, and if it finds that you are a "dirty pirate" it will limit your use. Also the fact that it only allows you to transfer a license once has ramifications for PC enthusiasts. If you have a Vista-equipped PC and you rebuild it, you must transfer the license. You can never again repeat the process. Some people are used to replacing many components of their PC quite often, going through an entire rig in mere months. Enthusiasts beware!!

The Vista license calls out the ramifications of a failed validation check of Vista:
The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software," it reads. "If after a validation check, the software is found not to be properly licensed, the functionality of the software may be affected."

Vista's new anti-piracy technologies, dubbed "Software Protection Platform," have met with skepticism by analysts and criticism by users. Under the new program, a copy of Vista that's judged to be in violation of its license, or is counterfeit, is disabled after a set period, leaving the user access only to the default Web browser, and then only for an hour at a time.

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  • edited October 2006
    :wtf: This is getting more ridiculous with every release. I hate calling MS on the phone to reactivate Windows everytime I upgrade my desktop computers. I had to do this so many times. Well, I can easily say that Windows is not an OS for enthusiasts anymore, if they limit number of reactivations. :rant: :mad2:

    I am already running all of my folding rigs with Linux but I will much more seriously reconsider using Linux on desktops as well.
  • Sledgehammer70Sledgehammer70 California Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    If I can't upgrade my PC than i won't be buying Vista... I upgrade my PC to many times to count... they better have a way for us Hard core PC guys to be able to upgrade and not worry,or Cracks will become very popular....
  • airbornflghtairbornflght Houston, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    If I can't upgrade my PC than i won't be buying Vista... I upgrade my PC to many times to count... they better have a way for us Hard core PC guys to be able to upgrade and not worry,or Cracks will become very popular....

    Yeh, this is rediculous. I expect a 3rd party workaround fairly quickly after the release. I dont upgrade that often, but even at that, I do it 2-3 time a year, so is MS telling me Im going to have to buy a new copy every 9-12 months? sure....
  • skywalker45skywalker45 Bloomington, IN. USA
    edited October 2006
    This is preposterous and will NEVER fly in communities like ours. I, like airbornflght, believe a 3rd party workaround will be coming soon after release or MS will come off this ridiculous idea when they realize there are those who change rigs 3 times/year.
  • edited October 2006
    I guess I'll be waiting for the hacker community to catch up to their tricks before I buy a legit copy of Vista.

    Microsoft is basicly forcing our community to rip-off their software. I have enough trouble stomaching the idea of buying a new copy of Vista for each machine I own, let alone the same upgraded machine.
  • QCHQCH Ancient Guru Chicago Area - USA Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    TheSmJ wrote:
    Microsoft is basicly forcing our community to rip-off their software.
    That's what gets me... we're not ripping MS off. If we own the copy and we own the hardware, I want to be able to install the darn OS as many times as I want. END OF STORY.... It's not ripping MS off. :rant:

    Microsoft, you had better re-think how you implement this idea!!!! It's gonna bite you in the butt and cost you more than you can image!!! :mean:
  • maxclarkmaxclark In a hole in the ground
    edited October 2006
    QCH2002 wrote:
    That's what gets me... we're not ripping MS off. If we own the copy and we own the hardware, I want to be able to install the darn OS as many times as I want. END OF STORY.... It's not ripping MS off. :rant:

    Microsoft, you had better re-think how you implement this idea!!!! It's gonna bite you in the butt and cost you more than you can image!!! :mean:

    amen there brother...
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    Microsoft just made sure money I would probably never spend definitely wasn't going to get spent.

    Remember the days when you could buy one copy of something, and do whatever the hell you wanted with it because it was yours? Yeah.
  • godzilla525godzilla525 Western Pennsylvania Member
    edited October 2006
    Nice. The only reason I ever put up with XP is that I was able to get an activation-free Pro version through the school. Legally.

    The real fun's going to come when I have to teach my mom how to use Linux.

    I'm not sure how far along Wine is coming with emulation as far as game performance, but it looks like I'll definitely be switching to Linux regardless.

    Way to lose customers, Microsoft. :rolleyes2
  • skywalker45skywalker45 Bloomington, IN. USA
    edited October 2006
    Way to lose customers, Microsoft.

    They've been sitting themselves up for this for years. It's no wonder the open source community has a huge open sore for MS for more than one reason. This just gives them another, plus it gives the malware community another reason to attack Windows, apart from the usual online fraud, theft, etc.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    Linux is starting to look attractive. Does MS really want Vista to gain the reputation as the preferred operating system for corporate slugboxes and granny machines? I guess that's where the money is. I'm hoping they'll moderate the licensing. Right now it is assumed that only one or two upgrades might be considered by MS as "transfers." I hope that is only a present assumption and that it will be proven wrong - premature.
  • GargGarg Purveyor of Lincoln Nightmares Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    This is outrageous. Microsoft is going to go down with its DRM & licensing ship someday if they stick to this line.

    One of the posters on the blog said it best:
    Between Vista's tight licensing and unreliable Genuine "Advantage"[sic], there's no way people who know what they're getting into will want to use it.
  • skywalker45skywalker45 Bloomington, IN. USA
    edited October 2006
    Gargoyle wrote:
    Microsoft is going to go down with its DRM & licensing ship someday if they stick to this line.

    You couldn't be more right, based on this news, if they don't come off this crap their stern is already out of the water.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    There's just no way this is going to happen. They cannot restrict licensing based on hardware changes and force you to buy a new copy if, say, your motherboard dies, or your hard drive crashes, or your processor goes dead. This would get them into the hairy realm of liability - as in:

    "I am a customer whose Hitachi hard drive died. Now, I have to buy a new copy of Vista because of their restrictive licensing. It is not my fault my hard drive died. Therefore, I am telling Hitachi that they need to pay for my copy of Vista."

    "My ATI video card burned up. Now I'm going to make ATI buy me a new copy of Vista".

    Seriously. This just won't fly. I'm sure we're not hearing the whole story.
  • PieIsAwesomePieIsAwesome Ontario, CA
    edited October 2006
    Unacceptable and outrageous.

    I cheer the hackers on, but even with patches it's still going to be a pain in the rear-end to have to deal with this every time you install windows.
    I also hate Microsoft getting into my computer and into my business. Please, stay out, or I simply won't buy the software and/or resort to 3rd party patches to bypass this garbage.

    Worst of all, MS is shoving this down our throats.
    Want DirectX 10? Buy Vista.

    I've never tried Linux, but now it's looking very appetizing.
    And new stuff is always fun. =D
  • EssoEsso Stockholm, Sweden
    edited October 2006
    I guess this is what we need, a gently push in the other direction, towards Linux. :)

    The more Microsoft complicates things for the normal user, the less they will sale in the end.

    I said once and I said it now.

    Hasta la Vista baby - I will not be back.
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    From the Alternative OS subforum: We look forward to helping ease your transition!

    -drasnor :fold:
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    Indeed, form an orderly queue children, Thrax, stop throwing paper airplanes at nomad.
  • jaredjared College Station, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I doubt this goes over like prime said, however it does sound like MS... always tyring to give the honest user a blow to the nuts.

    I have been using Vista RC1 and OSX for the past couple of weeks (Vista on my main rig, and osx on my macbook) and imho OSX is just a better OS period. It is quicker (it is sad when my macbook can compete with my main rig) and more productive.

    Now that I don't have time to game anymore, there is really not a whole lot keeping me stuck on windows. Once adobe CS3 comes out in q1 of 2007, I wouldn't mind trading my main machine for a MacPro... if i decide I need windows in the future I can always run it with bootcamp or parrallels.

    cheers

    oh yeah if anyone has toyed around with the new ubuntu in the works (efty i believe).. it is pure sex.
  • lemonlimelemonlime Canada Member
    edited October 2006
    If that really were to happen, it would be an incredably dumb move. It is really simple.. if you don't mind being limited on the number of installs.. buy OEM.. if you pay the ludicrous price for the retail version, you should bloody well be allowed to upgrade your PC as many times as you friggin like. With all of the excessive protection built into windows these days, why the hell would you not be allowed to move it to an upgraded PC. It's not like you could get away with having it run on two PCs simultaneously.

    I tend to agree with prime and jared, this will most likely not happen. Just seems like it has bad press written all over it. The licencing is already strict enough, this is the last thing we need. It is really bad when those of us who actually buy the software get the dirty end of the stick :(
  • HawkHawk Fla Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I'm with mirage.
    I'll probably star learning to use Linux on all my pc's.
    This will most likely push a great deal of other people to do the same.
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I wasn't liking Vista much before reading this... now I utterly dispise it. I am with Prime and Jared though, I think I recall it goingdown like this before XP's release and they dumbed it down. I am beginning to wonder if they do this on purpose so that when most of this doesn't happen, the things that do happen look less hidious.

    I am beginning to like OSX more and more, and contemplating Linux which I never liked much becuase it's utterly difficult to understand. OSX would at least allow some of my more important programs to work still.

    Vista was a beautiful OS, but IMHO it was a pain to use, I can't describe what exactly it was, but it was just akward and I didn't like it much. Not very linear I suppose.
  • GrayFoxGrayFox /dev/urandom Member
    edited October 2006
    Gota love microsoft.[/sarcasim]
  • edited October 2006
    This is going to drive a big growth in macs. I got a new imac core duo after being on the windows side for the last 7 years and I have to admit, the thing is really well designed. Maybe not the best game box, but it's absolutely silent and amazing for getting work done--things just work, except for their mouse, which sucks ass. I think enthusiasts are going to start to get two machines more often--one for work and another for gaming.
  • edited October 2006
    The more I think about it the more impossible it sounds. Nevertheless we'll all have to wait another month for Vista's offical release to know for sure.
  • PirateNinjaPirateNinja Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    All Windows users should revert back to Win2k :)
  • skywalker45skywalker45 Bloomington, IN. USA
    edited October 2006
    All Windows users should revert back to Win2k :)

    Ahhh, Windows 2000....Good times, stable times.....the times of our lives....
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited October 2006
    All Windows users should revert back to Win2k :)
    Some of them have, but not me. (At least not yet. :D )
    RWB wrote:
    ...I am with Prime and Jared though, I think I recall it going down like this before XP's release and they dumbed it down. I am beginning to wonder if they do this on purpose so that when most of this doesn't happen, the things that do happen look less hideous...
    That makes a whole lot of sense to me. After reading the first post in this thread, practically anything they do which is not quite so draconian will look reasonable by comparison.

    I will say this, though. While I have always bought a legitimate copy of Windows and have denounced piracy, if they do actually try a stunt like this I may just have to start rooting for the pirates. (And I don't mean the ones in Pittsburgh.) They would be handing a ready-made excuse to everyone in the world wanting a free ride, who could just claim that they are justified on the grounds that they upgrade their system frequently.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I'd install Win2000 in a heartbeat if it wouldn't butcher my existing partitions on a 48-bit drive.
  • QCHQCH Ancient Guru Chicago Area - USA Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    WinXP is where I'd love to stop. As a Support Guy... I love remote desktop and remote assitance that is built into WinXP Pro. No need to try another 3rd party application to do it. No problems with kerberos authentication, no problem with privilages, no problems with conflicts... Remote Desktop/ Assistance just works. :respect:

    I'm know that my company will be 10% Vista-ized by this time next year.:skeptic:
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