random question i rmeber hearing some where u could install a copy of XP on a PC and then install it on your laptop and it it would work
now looking at this i dont want to buy 2 freaking copies of Vista so my PC and laptop can run it...thats freaking lame, for once im pretty pissed off at pirates because the only reason this is happing is becuase of pirating...even though i myself have pirated software(though i dont pirate OS), mmm being a hypocrite... sigh oh well 50bucks says there will be a work around with in a matter of weeks
There very damn well should be. This is ridiculous. I'm already pissed because I've had to call Microsoft several times to reactivate Windows due to reformats, and the like. Two times? Yeah right. Looks like I'll be learning Linux in the coming months.
Like many other here, Vista at best looked like an dubious upgrade to me, with all the damn bloatware that it comes with. But with this proposed new EULA it isn't acceptable at all. I had already made the decision to start playing with Ubuntu before this and this kind of crap will make me accelerate my learning schedule.
If Steve Jobs would get his snobbish head out of his own @ss and look, he would see an opportunity here for him to make mass inroads into the x86 OS market if he would open up and sell OSX that would install in non-Apple computers.
And as for the OEM's, they also need to make a change in their offerings too. As it stands now, you really can't choose your OS to something besides M$ crap from the major OEM's for consumer computers. So if you want to get a computer from a major OEM, you will be stuck paying the MS tax as I call it, making you buy their OS with the box. Sounds to me like this would be good material for a class action suit.
One other thing about this incredibly restrictive EULA; how the hell is this supposed to stop piracy. If anything, this will only encourage piracy and go and make thousands of otherwise law-abiding people go the piracy route just so they don't get ****ed by M$ after spending $300+ for this OS.
If MS actually pushes this crap I will nail the coffin shut on my use of windows! I dont think they're asking any of us our opinion in this licensing scheme or including this in their customer feedback forum. Ive never used anything else but have often thought about Apple and now am considering Linux!
WinXP is where I'd love to stop. As a Support Guy... I love remote desktop and remote assitance that is built into WinXP Pro. No need to try another 3rd party application to do it. No problems with kerberos authentication, no problem with privilages, no problems with conflicts... Remote Desktop/ Assistance just works.
I'm know that my company will be 10% Vista-ized by this time next year.
100% agreed. They should stop right here at the junction of win2k and NT. No real need to go any further. Of course, that's just my opinion. And just for the record I'm a support guy too, for both Windows and Linux.
There's just no way this is going to happen. They cannot restrict licensing based on hardware changes and force you to buy a new copy if, say, your motherboard dies, or your hard drive crashes, or your processor goes dead. This would get them into the hairy realm of liability - as in:
"I am a customer whose Hitachi hard drive died. Now, I have to buy a new copy of Vista because of their restrictive licensing. It is not my fault my hard drive died. Therefore, I am telling Hitachi that they need to pay for my copy of Vista."
"My ATI video card burned up. Now I'm going to make ATI buy me a new copy of Vista".
Seriously. This just won't fly. I'm sure we're not hearing the whole story.
Wow, a voice of reason on teh Interweb. Whodathunk!
you can add another to the not buying into vista's whole can of worm's. 9 genuine copies of Xp home and pro in this home time to try linux again methinks.
Turns out the Vista Licensing is the exact same as XP's. If you reinstall Windows to an upgraded machine after you already activated it once before, you just have to call support, rather than use the automatic online activation.
So in short, nothing has changed in terms of licensing between XP and Vista. You'll be able to do everything with Vista that you have with XP. Nothing more nothing less.
To futher clarify; The "Nevermind the fact that I just called you to reactivate 5 minutes ago... I just replaced the motherboard and no other machine has this copy of Windows installed" excuse to the activation rep will still work.
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I keep being told that I need to switch to Linux if I want to continue using computers after this year because of Vista's new rules and restrictions, but my responce has been the same from the beginning of the issue:
"It simply cannot happen"
Microsoft is not stupid. They are in the bussiness of making money, just like every other bussiness, and they will not produce a product that is so restrictive it pushed their entire guru customer base to another supplier.
You might argue that they don't care about the gurus because all of the money is in family PCs and enterprise copmputing. Well, frankly, if that were the case, then they would remove all of the restrictions, since those two market segments are the least likely to pirate the software...
Even if they do release Vista with all these restrictions (which they wont), they wont last, MS would see pretty quickly that it's not going to be tolerated, and by the time we all have to convert (at least a year after release, since it takes that long for enterprise operations to switch to a new OS), there will be methods for letting us do so successfully, whether they come from MS or third parties is all that remains to be seen...
The first hack that we will see gain popularity, IMO: a crack that allows DirectX 10 to function in XP.
Even if they do release Vista with all these restrictions (which they wont), they wont last, MS would see pretty quickly that it's not going to be tolerated, and by the time we all have to convert (at least a year after release, since it takes that long for enterprise operations to switch to a new OS), there will be methods for letting us do so successfully, whether they come from MS or third parties is all that remains to be seen...
A year? That's optimistic. I don't anticipate my company migrating to Vista until 2010.
I wont buy vista. I am hoping that linux wont be so alternative in a couple of years. Ubunto is gaining popularity, and is fastly becoming user friendly, I will install it on the next computer that I build for my parents; which they are about due for. I dont really care about the licensing near as much as the overall operating system and how bloated it is. With not a whole lot of overall improvements.
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edited October 2006
Concerning DirectX 10/9.L, Thrax dedicated thread to that topic here.
After reading that, I'm still confused as to whether a motherboard change uses up your one chance to transfer the license to another computer. It seems like the most likely scenario is that it wouldn't, and the prohibition of transferring the license is just a restriction that just doesn't have any enforceability. Without infringing on our right to upgrade a computer, that is.
After reading that, I'm still confused as to whether a motherboard change uses up your one chance to transfer the license to another computer. It seems like the most likely scenario is that it wouldn't, and the prohibition of transferring the license is just a restriction that just doesn't have any enforceability. Without infringing on our right to upgrade a computer, that is.
11. Rather than purchase completely new PCs, my organization performs in-place upgrades to the hardware on many of our computers. We often times only replace the motherboard, processor, and memory. Since the COA is still on the case and the OS is still installed on the hard drive, this computer is still licensed, right?
ANSWER. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your computer and maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer." Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system license (not upgrade) is required. This is true even if the computer is covered under Software Assurance or other Volume License programs.
LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2006
if the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system license (not upgrade) is required. This is true even if the computer is covered under Software Assurance or other Volume License programs.
I've replaced a motherboard on an OEM WinXP copy before. Yes, I did have to re-validate over the telephone. I spoke very clearly, was polite and respectful, and the validation went through without a hitch.
I, too, have replaced the motherboard on a Tiger-Direct PC... I had to call and re-validate. I was polite and MS provided a install code without any problems. But according to their license, they do not have to do that. I think, for the most part, they are going to re-validate. If they start seeing several calls in a short time all on the same PC... they may just say no and point to the license.
This Windows Vista activation and checking is getting absurd! I had never considered running a hacked copy of Windows 'till XP came out with the activation/confirmation thingy.
Let me explain: I'm a computer enthusiast and think nothing of re-configuring my box...the whole thing! I think nothing of testing a new configuration, new hardware, new software, etc, etc
Most of my configuration/testing isn't on a permanent basis. In short order I will grab the next idea and fly with it. That's how I learn and what I like to do.
Once I realized how much it was costing me (time-wise) to get on the phone with Microsoft each time I re-configured my computer, my mission became to hack into my own, legally acquired copy of Windows XP.
I do think Microsoft should rethink their policy and make room for the enthusiast community. We might not be a very big community, but we are a very active one.
The reason for our hyper-activity:
Tearing into our computers and testing different ideas or configurations is our way of having fun! What most folks consider an incredible headache - or challenge - we can't wait to go there, and perhaps bleed on the edge!
Mind you, I've never sold or distributed copies of my legally purchased Windows XP Operating System. I use it on my computer, for my very own pleasure and would never consider the option of becoming any kind of a pirate. However, my legal copy of Windows XP residing in the one and only computer I run it on...was "adjusted" by yours truly not to require re-activation when I do hardware changes.
In the same way that I took Windows product activation as a slap-in-the-face from Microsoft - and set out to circumvent it any way I could - should send a clear signal to Microsoft, since it's coming from the "legally installed" user base.
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now looking at this i dont want to buy 2 freaking copies of Vista so my PC and laptop can run it...thats freaking lame, for once im pretty pissed off at pirates because the only reason this is happing is becuase of pirating...even though i myself have pirated software(though i dont pirate OS), mmm being a hypocrite... sigh oh well 50bucks says there will be a work around with in a matter of weeks
If Steve Jobs would get his snobbish head out of his own @ss and look, he would see an opportunity here for him to make mass inroads into the x86 OS market if he would open up and sell OSX that would install in non-Apple computers.
And as for the OEM's, they also need to make a change in their offerings too. As it stands now, you really can't choose your OS to something besides M$ crap from the major OEM's for consumer computers. So if you want to get a computer from a major OEM, you will be stuck paying the MS tax as I call it, making you buy their OS with the box. Sounds to me like this would be good material for a class action suit.
One other thing about this incredibly restrictive EULA; how the hell is this supposed to stop piracy. If anything, this will only encourage piracy and go and make thousands of otherwise law-abiding people go the piracy route just so they don't get ****ed by M$ after spending $300+ for this OS.
100% agreed. They should stop right here at the junction of win2k and NT. No real need to go any further. Of course, that's just my opinion. And just for the record I'm a support guy too, for both Windows and Linux.
Wow, a voice of reason on teh Interweb. Whodathunk!
Source here: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4548
So in short, nothing has changed in terms of licensing between XP and Vista. You'll be able to do everything with Vista that you have with XP. Nothing more nothing less.
To futher clarify; The "Nevermind the fact that I just called you to reactivate 5 minutes ago... I just replaced the motherboard and no other machine has this copy of Windows installed" excuse to the activation rep will still work.
I keep being told that I need to switch to Linux if I want to continue using computers after this year because of Vista's new rules and restrictions, but my responce has been the same from the beginning of the issue:
"It simply cannot happen"
Microsoft is not stupid. They are in the bussiness of making money, just like every other bussiness, and they will not produce a product that is so restrictive it pushed their entire guru customer base to another supplier.
You might argue that they don't care about the gurus because all of the money is in family PCs and enterprise copmputing. Well, frankly, if that were the case, then they would remove all of the restrictions, since those two market segments are the least likely to pirate the software...
Even if they do release Vista with all these restrictions (which they wont), they wont last, MS would see pretty quickly that it's not going to be tolerated, and by the time we all have to convert (at least a year after release, since it takes that long for enterprise operations to switch to a new OS), there will be methods for letting us do so successfully, whether they come from MS or third parties is all that remains to be seen...
The first hack that we will see gain popularity, IMO: a crack that allows DirectX 10 to function in XP.
A year? That's optimistic. I don't anticipate my company migrating to Vista until 2010.
Did you just stand up and volunteer? You'd better get to coding.
Right. Just like XP does already.
More info here...
so if I happen to replace a mobo with vista installed, i guess it is going to have to of 'failed'
But it did fail. It failed at providing you the 3dmarks that you so rightly deserve
This Windows Vista activation and checking is getting absurd! I had never considered running a hacked copy of Windows 'till XP came out with the activation/confirmation thingy.
Let me explain: I'm a computer enthusiast and think nothing of re-configuring my box...the whole thing! I think nothing of testing a new configuration, new hardware, new software, etc, etc
Most of my configuration/testing isn't on a permanent basis. In short order I will grab the next idea and fly with it. That's how I learn and what I like to do.
Once I realized how much it was costing me (time-wise) to get on the phone with Microsoft each time I re-configured my computer, my mission became to hack into my own, legally acquired copy of Windows XP.
I do think Microsoft should rethink their policy and make room for the enthusiast community. We might not be a very big community, but we are a very active one.
The reason for our hyper-activity:
Tearing into our computers and testing different ideas or configurations is our way of having fun! What most folks consider an incredible headache - or challenge - we can't wait to go there, and perhaps bleed on the edge!
Mind you, I've never sold or distributed copies of my legally purchased Windows XP Operating System. I use it on my computer, for my very own pleasure and would never consider the option of becoming any kind of a pirate. However, my legal copy of Windows XP residing in the one and only computer I run it on...was "adjusted" by yours truly not to require re-activation when I do hardware changes.
In the same way that I took Windows product activation as a slap-in-the-face from Microsoft - and set out to circumvent it any way I could - should send a clear signal to Microsoft, since it's coming from the "legally installed" user base.
If it does that in WinXP, I hate to think what WinVi is going to be like.