Guess what I'm posting this on?

edited November 2006 in Science & Tech
Nope, not winblows. ;D

I just installed the 64 bit version of Ubuntu 6.06 in a dual boot config on my cheap build Allendale system that I pieced together with my old Pee 4 system. The install went with no problems; didn't figure that it would have any since the board uses the old Intel 865G chipset and a AIW 9800 vid card that I just use as a vid card anyways. The install found all the onboard stuff such as the sound and lan connections and installed the proper drivers and such. I'm presently listening to a cd on it and it sounds great.

So far it is pretty nice, but it is still a lot different when it comes to installing stuff. I need to install flash for Firefox but it looks like that will have to be done from a terminal window; what a bummer. I guess I will have to do some reading on this OS when I go back to work tomorrow. I will have 2 weeks to bone up on it while at work, unfortunately I can't bring this rig with me to work to play with.

BTW, can someone download and burn me a copy of Ubuntu in the 32 bit desktop version? I can't do it on this ****ing sat connection unfortunately because of the "Fair Access Policy" that Hughes puts on the accounts that limits how much data you can transfer over a certain time frame. :mad: I had a friend burn me an iso and I extracted and burnt it, but it seems that the disk I made off his iso must have a defect in it and if I try to use it as a live cd, it locks up after a little while. :(.

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  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    If you find me a torrent link, I'll download it here at work and try to send you a copy tomorrow or when it finishes.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    Alright! Mudd and Linux. Muddux... rhymes with.... ah, nevermind.

    Good on you, Jim. I'll have to try it some day.
  • CryptoCrypto W.Sussex UK Member
    edited November 2006
    I wish you folks better luck with Ubuntu than I am having.

    I've been battling with it for about three months now and it's getting me down. It seems to me that virtually everything has to be a compromise.

    It wouldn't play fair with my on board ethernet so I had to fit a new card in a PCI slot. Getting the right screen resolution for my graphics card/monitor combination was a nightmare and still not properly fixed.
    Setting up FAH was difficult and I can't use Electron Microscope to monitor my other boxes.
    Printer sharing on the network was quite tricky and I've given up total network sharing.
    My digital camera isn't recognised properly and I miss the various functions that I used to enjoy under Windows.
    The final straw is that I can't get my microphone to work at all, least of all in Skype.

    So, I'm giving it a rest for a while.
    When I went back to Windows XP it was like having a huge weight lifted off me.

    Setting up a small box for Linux is great for experimentation , but as a main rig there's too much compromise for me. /rant
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    Crypto wrote:
    I wish you folks better luck with Ubuntu than I am having.

    I've been battling with it for about three months now and it's getting me down. It seems to me that virtually everything has to be a compromise.

    It wouldn't play fair with my on board ethernet so I had to fit a new card in a PCI slot. Getting the right screen resolution for my graphics card/monitor combination was a nightmare and still not properly fixed.
    Setting up FAH was difficult and I can't use Electron Microscope to monitor my other boxes.
    Printer sharing on the network was quite tricky and I've given up total network sharing.
    My digital camera isn't recognised properly and I miss the various functions that I used to enjoy under Windows.
    The final straw is that I can't get my microphone to work at all, least of all in Skype.

    So, I'm giving it a rest for a while.
    When I went back to Windows XP it was like having a huge weight lifted off me.

    Setting up a small box for Linux is great for experimentation , but as a main rig there's too much compromise for me. /rant

    Yeah? Well I can't even get a GUI with Fedora 6, I'm gonna try Fedora 5 and see how that goes, but then I have to wait for this damned download to finish.
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    OK Mudd I have 6.10 or whatever, I am installing it myself because of the trouble I am in with Fedora, ugh.


    Holy crap! It detected my wireless card and connected to my work's AP with a hidden SSID. This was easier than windows LOL
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    OK I am now posting this on Ubuntu!!! Over a WIRELESS connection, uber sweet!
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    That's why I like Ubuntu. It's got amazing hardware detection. It even seems to do a better job than Debian, which it's based on. I'm finishing up a project right now, but I'll be deleting my Vista partition and installing Ubuntu when that's over.
  • MiracleManSMiracleManS Chambersburg, PA Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I just installed Ubuntu 6.10 and it autodetected everything. I was forced to do this after Windows destroyed its own C partition somehow and then wouldn't autodetect my network card. So, here I am, posting from firefox in Ubuntu...and loving it. I'm far from being anywhere near a linux nut, but this is going to work out well I think.
  • edited November 2006
    RWB, I'm going to PM my mailing info to you man. I appreciate you sending it to me. With the 32 bit version, I will be able to bring the disk with my to work and play with it on my laptop running it off the disk. I'm glad everything went so well on the install for you too. I agree it's just amazing, how well it did to find and install all the correct drivers for me too.

    When I get back in from work in 2 weeks, I'm going to see about installing F@H on it also and check if there is much difference in folding ability. I will be looking around for some how-to directions at various team sites for installing both natively and maybe also under wine. I would think that if you could get it folding under wine without too much overhead loss would be the best option for a dual boot machine. That way it could fold the same wu's under both operating systems (I'm guessing at this part though).

    Crypto, I'm sorry to hear that you are having so much problems with getting Ubuntu running on your machine. Continued in next post from Ubuntu machine.
  • edited November 2006
    One problem that I am having with this machine is when I go to shut down or restart, the machine hangs up and won't finish either shutting down or restarting. It just hangs at a black screen which I can see some very faint designs or objects in across the whole screen, but are so faint that you can't even make out what they are.:-/ But other than that, everything that I've looked at seems to be working so far. I even installed the Adblock extension on Firefox last night, so I could get rid of those extremely annoying intellitext ads that some websites embed in their web pages. :D

    As far as my screen resolution goes, I had no problems with that when I installed. Ubuntu correctly read the info of my Samsung monitor and correctly set the resolution at the monitor's native resolution, which is 1280X1024. Are you running a crt monitor, Crypto?
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I had trouble with the screen as well, my native resolution is 1440x900, which I had the option to do. But It would give me TONS of artifacts. So I was stuck with 1024x768. BUT! I spent all night working with this problem with Fedora 6 and Ubuntu 6.10 and found out how I needed to edit my 'xorg.conf' under "/etc/X11". I swear last night I learned more about Linux than EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT I EVER MADE IN THE PAST COMBINED TO LEARN LINUX.

    I am not sure if it'll work for you though as this issue seemed to be laptop oriented and only certain types with ATi cards.
  • CryptoCrypto W.Sussex UK Member
    edited November 2006
    muddocktor wrote:

    As far as my screen resolution goes, I had no problems with that when I installed. Ubuntu correctly read the info of my Samsung monitor and correctly set the resolution at the monitor's native resolution, which is 1280X1024. Are you running a crt monitor, Crypto?

    Hi Mudd,

    I'm using a 17" Neovo monitor that Windows picks up but not Ubuntu.

    I was stuck in some low resolution. I lived with it for a while whilst I sorted out FAH (most important) and then had to reconfigure x server which handles the graphics and desktop environment. Each time I tried to change the resolution in x server config or whatever it was, it bombed out of the desktop and left me just with the terminal. It was a real bummer but I eventually did get my screen res right with a combination of changing my graphics card driver and fiddling about in the terminal. Don't ask me to repeat how I did it, it was a nightmare, took me a couple of weeks of trying every evening for a couple of hours and immense frustration.

    I was happy once I got it right but I've had several other issues since, each taking almost as long to fix.

    Great for you lucky people where it works straight out of the box, it really does seem random to me who is lucky or not.

    Good luck to you chaps, I shall continue in my quest to get Skype working.

    Cheers.
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    For future reference in case anyone needs it, here is a link I used to update my ATi drivers in Ubuntu
    http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation_Guide
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    Weird. I tried to install Ubuntu AMD64 and i386 tonight, and both installers hung up at the same spot, loading the kernel into RAM. I tried with Debian and I was able to move along farther without any problems.
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    Did you run the disk check to make sure the CD wasn't bad? I had a similar issue with Fedora and when I ran the CD check it said it was a bad CD.
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I'm not chalking it up to coincidence. Seeing how Debian worked fine and both Ubuntu CDs failed at the same spot, I'm inclined to think it's something else. I'm going to try with the alternate install CD, which uses the all-text installer instead of the GUI. Methinks that's the problem. Not sure why though.
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I really prefer the text-mode installers. If there's a problem during installation, I can flip to another virtual terminal and run some utilities to find the problem and maybe fix it or access the Internet and get help.

    Linux in general is hit-or-miss as to whether or not your hardware will work. Pretty much of the time manufacturers refuse to supply information about their hardware or drivers without a signed NDA which prevents an open source release. As a result, most of the drivers you see are either standards-compliant or reverse-engineered. Laptops are the worst about this and I can't recommend Linux on a laptop to anyone. It's almost guaranteed not to work out of the box, so much so that there are HOWTOs out there for installing various distros on laptops indexed by model number.

    With a little bit of effort you can select components known to work well under Linux in advance of building your next PC or selecting a laptop. Since anything that supports Linux on x86 or AMD64 will also support Windows it's not like you will be losing anything by choosing Linux-compatible hardware though you will be rewarding manufacturers that choose to support Linux.

    Graphics drivers:
    Not all graphics drivers are created equal. The nVidia-supplied binary drivers support DDC autoconfiguration of the X server without having to change anything in xorg.conf. I have yet to be able to get the ATI drivers to do so as well as any of the kernel framebuffer drivers.

    FAH:
    Getting FAH running "as a service" is like riding a bicycle: once you do it you'll always remember how. The procedure varies from distro to distro and some distros have it easier than others (FAH on Gentoo is phenomenally easy while the procedure is somewhat more involved on Ubuntu). Getting FAH installed is a great way to learn about rc scripts (roughly analogous to the Windows Startup pane in msconfig). Gentoo forces you to learn about rc scripts in the installation process so the Kubuntu setup was intuitive for me but I can see why people have trouble.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited November 2006
    muddocktor wrote:
    Guess what I'm posting this on?
    I know! I know! - A Monday! :D

    Good luck, Mudd. I may be following you into full-time Linux operation one of these days. :)
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