new system advice ...

csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
edited November 2003 in Hardware
Ok ...i'm re-building my system over the next few weeks ...

Barton XP 3000 / 400fsb <---on order
Abit ABIT NF7-S v2 <---on order
Ati Radeon 9800 pro/128 <---later
Ocz pc3000 / 512mb <---crap ram need advice on new

Anything else you need to know?
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  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2003
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    Detroit, MI
  • madmatmadmat
    edited October 2003
    For the ram I'd go with the lowest cas pc3500 you can afford, the Kingston hyper-x pc3500 2-2-2-5 kicks pretty serious bootay if you can supply it with a lot of voltage...I read one review where he got it to run stable at 2-2-2-5 c1 at 3.3v at 250mhz...that's screaming fast.
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    I think he needs to throw a kegger and pass out 9800 Pro's and Corsair twin packs of XMS3700 (2x512). Of course he should put them all in the same size brown boxes so you can't tell if you got the memory or the vid card.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    madmat had this to say
    For the ram I'd go with the lowest cas pc3500 you can afford, the Kingston hyper-x pc3500 2-2-2-5 kicks pretty serious bootay if you can supply it with a lot of voltage...I read one review where he got it to run stable at 2-2-2-5 c1 at 3.3v at 250mhz...that's screaming fast.

    wow ...I'd like to check out that article.
    I've never used kingston ...is it a consistantly good ram?

    Is that c1 as in cas1?
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    Kingston has a reputation for being pretty good. I've used their stuff before w/o a problem... They're up there with Samsung and Corsair in terms of quality from what I understand.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    so you think this would be the best choice for kingston?

    "KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 512MB Kit (2x 256MB) DDR400 (PC3200) DDR RAM modules, Model# KHX3200K2/512"
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    PC3500 at least!

    Don't limit yourself.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    I don't see these at newegg but I suppose this would be the equivalent chips in 3500 ...512MB Kit HyperX DDR 434MHz DIMM CL2 (2-2-2-7-it i think) Anything higher (3700+) I'd have to settle with cl2.5
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    How about this It is rated at cas 2-3-2-6-T1. I have never heard ANYTHING bad about it either.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited October 2003
    mtgoat had this to say
    How about this It is rated at cas 2-3-2-6-T1. I have never heard ANYTHING bad about it either.

    I have that waiting to go in the system in my sig. Too bad fedex thought it was funny to NOT ship my CPU, now I have to wait till at LEAST friday. But yeah, after all the annoying threads about what memory to get, the most recommendations were for that memory. (over like 3 or 4 different forums)
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    mtgoat had this to say
    How about this It is rated at cas 2-3-2-6-T1. I have never heard ANYTHING bad about it either.

    call me dense ...but I can't find those timings when I click the product link ...nor can I find it on the corsairmicro site at all.
    Not that I don't believe your or anything ...I'm just checkin it out!

    edit:\ everything I see in 3700 there is:

    TwinX512-3700 XMS3700 512MB 3-4-4-8 2x184 DIMM Black
    TwinX512-3700PT XMS3700 512MB 3-4-4-8 2x184 DIMM Platinum

    all of the cmx mems have these same latencies

    what am I doing wrong here?
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    croc_ had this to say
    mtgoat had this to say
    How about this It is rated at cas 2-3-2-6-T1. I have never heard ANYTHING bad about it either.

    ...But yeah, after all the annoying threads about what memory to get, the most recommendations were for that memory. (over like 3 or 4 different forums)
    I admit ...corsair is the more popular ram by far ...but can it walk the walk? hehe
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Corsair's XMS3700 & XMS4000 memory modules are designed for the super-high-bus speed clocking of the Intel I875P & I865P chipsets.

    I use 2x256 MB Corsair XMS3700 and it will do 1:1 @ 3-4-4-8 @ DDR500, provided you can VDIMM it at 2.9V. The low timings are compensated for with an extremely high FSB. AFAIK, Athlon's can't hit an FSB nearly that high.

    For the Athlon, you'll want low-timing PC3500 realistically, as I don't think I've ever heard of a 400 MHz FSB Athlon pushing 466 MHz.

    2 x 256 or 2 x 512 MB Mushkin Black Level II PC3500.
    2-2-2-6 @ 433 MHz @ 2.5-2.75V on the NForce 2 chipset.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    I agree ...I'm looking around also.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    SimGuy had this to say
    For the Athlon, you'll want low-timing PC3500 realistically, as I don't think I've ever heard of a 400 MHz FSB Athlon pushing 466 MHz.

    2 x 256 or 2 x 512 MB Mushkin Black Level II PC3500.
    2-2-2-6 @ 433 MHz @ 2.5-2.75V on the NForce 2 chipset.

    This is probably the same thing but in dual packs will be cheaper this way:

    Mushkin Level II Dual Pack PC3500
    512MB PC3500 Level II Dual Pack (2x256MB) - $ 175 @ newegg
    2-2-2-6 @ 433 MHz @ 2.5-2.75V on the NForce 2 chipset
  • seversphereseversphere
    edited October 2003
    what do you need tight timings for csimon?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Athlons benefit more of tight timings (2/2/2) than high FSBs.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    seversphere had this to say
    what do you need tight timings for csimon?
    it's just what I prefer at this point ...my ocz 3000 is rated 2.5-3-3-6-2t (or somewhere near that) and I'd like to try 2-2-2-6-1t for a change is all. I don't even see the ocz3000 at their website anymore ...and there was a revision to the one I got just after I got it ...also, the best I can get out of this ram is 2-3-3-6-2t no matter what which is ok except when you consider what I paid for it way back then.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    I just recently did some testing:

    On my NF7-S 2.0, using 2.5/3/3 timings at 240MHz, the memory bus efficiency was 84%.

    Setting it to 2.5/2/2, the efficiency jumped to 92%.

    Setting it to 2/2/2, the efficiency climbed to 96%. That's a big difference.
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    csimon
    Gee wiz, I just went back to where I looked and don't see it. I must have crossed or confused the products. Sorry! ;)

    I think that Mushkin Level II would be the sheetz!


    Thrax
    Very good point as well as good work! :)
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    thanks for that thrax ...I would have thought that the cas lat from 2.5-2 would have given the most bus efficiency.
    So how did you test it?
  • madmatmadmat
    edited October 2003
    If you'll look in the model name for that corsair 3700 you'll notice it's LLPT and not just PT which is corsairs name for the standard high latency ram.
    The LLPT is low latency ram and I've heard rumors that that stuff is supposed to be really good.
    The 434mhz kingston hyper-x is PC3500 and yes it's rated at 2-2-2-7 at default voltages but it's rated to go into some really extreme voltages either 3.6 or 3.3 but I know for sure that 3.3 was in the rated voltage which means that if it fries at that voltage it's still under warranty.
    Either way you can't really go wrong.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    mtgoat had this to say
    csimon
    Gee wiz, I just went back to where I looked and don't see it. I must have crossed or confused the products. Sorry! ;)

    I think that Mushkin Level II would be the sheetz!


    Thrax
    Very good point as well as good work! :)

    trust me ...before you even mentioned it I was gonna buy corsair hands down ...I love the brand and I highly recommend it to anyone.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    madmat had this to say
    If you'll look in the model name for that corsair 3700 you'll notice it's LLPT and not just PT which is corsairs name for the standard high latency ram.
    The LLPT is low latency ram and I've heard rumors that that stuff is supposed to be really good.
    The 434mhz kingston hyper-x is PC3500 and yes it's rated at 2-2-2-7 at default voltages but it's rated to go into some really extreme voltages either 3.6 or 3.3 but I know for sure that 3.3 was in the rated voltage which means that if it fries at that voltage it's still under warranty.
    Either way you can't really go wrong.
    what are your thoughts on the mushkin that I linked earlier?
    Mushkin Level II Dual Pack PC3500
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    This is what has come in so far ...the stuff from svc wont be in til nov 4th hopefully ...doesnt make sense I pay $5 shipping and order 2 days before newegg (free shipping) order and newegg order here 4 days earlier. sheesh
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    ordered the Mushkin Level II Dual Pack PC3500 today from newegg ...$174.10
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    I tested simply by setting the options in the BIOS, booting to windows, then averaging 10 sandra memory efficiency scores in the newest version of the program. :)
  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    So, if you don't ming my asking, why the XP3000+, instead of an XP 2500+ or XP2600+ Barton OC'd?

    Also, what HSF do you plan on using?
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    GHoosdum had this to say
    So, if you don't ming my asking, why the XP3000+, instead of an XP 2500+ or XP2600+ Barton OC'd?

    Also, what HSF do you plan on using?
    I wanted a chip with 400fsb stock ...I had a 2600 on order last week when I found that the prices were dropping I cancelled and got the 3000/400 instead.
    Thermalright slk-947u should arrive tomorrow.

    AMD Barton XP3000+/400
    Abit NF7-S
    Thermalright SLK-947U/Vantec Volcano 80mm/Duct Kit
    Lian-Li pc6057b (pc6077 tray in the works)
    Mushkin Level II Dual Pack PC3500 512 (2x256)
    Saphire Radeon 9800pro/128
    Quantum Fireball 7200 80gb

    I plan to replace the Quantum with a 75gb WD Raptor in a few weeks.
  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Sounds like an awesome system. I really can't argue against any of your hardware choices, especially with the WD Raptor on the way!
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