Vortex water cooler - space curve implosion style
Ed-Chigliak
West Yorks (UK)
I got this idea to rig a glass egg-shaped water resevoir above my PC in which a motor driven paddle lit with submersible leds induces a visible vortex which then flows into a copper whorl pipe (tapered spiral implosion tube) in which the water inwinds along natural space curves thus cooling down to its anomaly temperature of 4 deg C as the density and velocity are amplified. A copper water block is connected to the outlet of the whorl pipe and the CPU receives optimized high velocity cold water. The water then returns to a top side entry connection on the egg shaped resevoir assisted by the natural vaccuum formed in the wake of the vortex. The only system energy input is the relatively slow turning paddle so I expect it will operate extremely quietly. Obviously I will be bolting my PC to the floor during testing to safeguard against the levitational forces in the vortex core which could pose a serious problem.
I'm wondering what size bolts I should use to bold everything down. The floor is timber board construction on joists although I could move my PC into the kitchen which has a solid concrete floor. I don't know if this is the right place to post but if anyone has any experience with this cooling method I would like to here from you. I don't want to damage my PC if I can avoid it.
Thanks in advance... Ed^
I'm wondering what size bolts I should use to bold everything down. The floor is timber board construction on joists although I could move my PC into the kitchen which has a solid concrete floor. I don't know if this is the right place to post but if anyone has any experience with this cooling method I would like to here from you. I don't want to damage my PC if I can avoid it.
Thanks in advance... Ed^
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as for bolts what is the mass of the water that is rotating at what speed? then just use the rotational motion equations to calculate force. then you can figure out what type of bolts to use
A somewhat over simplified explanation of why the temperature reduces below ambient in a vortex can be gleemed from what you know already about the properties and behaviour of water when heated or cooled. School (college) science lessons taught us that when water is warmed it expands becoming less dense and so rises. Similarly when water is cooled it contracts increasing in density and sinks. Therefore a relationship exists between temperature and density but in this situation we are changing the temperature which results in a corresponding change in density. It would therefore stand to reason that if we could to change the density of the water by another method then there would be a corresponding change in temperature.
What you really want to know is why does the density change?
Unfortunately this is rather complex issue to discuss in full but if you were to imagine a method of increase water density through motion I hope you can see how an inwinding spiral vortex down a whorl tube where physical space becomes an increasingly scare commodity the outcome would be water at a higher density.
The anomoly point of 4 deg C is well known and below this temperature water expands again before changing state to solid ice. This is unique as far as I am aware and one should never understimate the weirdness of water!
HUH!!!! - two words?
Now I like my alternative science stuff but surely that's just one word unless perhaps I've measured / percieved it incorrectly. Quantum English perhaps?
Ed^
OK your question about the speed of the vortex. Well the way I understand it the vortex will be by its very nature large and slowly rotating at the top and highly focused and rotating at great speed at the bottom. We are paddling the slow and large water volume in the egg resevoir and I guess 30-60 rpm will be more than enough to trigger the vortex.
Take two 2 litre clear plastic pop bottles. Glue the caps together with stong waterproof adhesive and drill a hole through the joined caps. Assemble the bottles into an hour glass arrangement with one bottle three quarts full of water. Tipping water from one to the other a vortex does not readily form but a couple of swishes in the general direction triggers healthy vortex which once initiated requires little or no further energy input. Gravity is obviously at work here so high RPM's are probably not required. I will most likely use a variable speed power drill with and attach some sort of paddle so I can test various speeds.
Thanks for the questions you are helping me think through some of the concepts I need to grasp.
Ed^
One is that once the votex is started, there should be no further requirement for the paddle assist.
Two is that you seem to be trying for perpetual motion which has not been accomplished yet. For the water to lift it's own weight back up to the resevoir is a lofty goal.
I really like this original thinking.
I don't know about laboratory work but it has been proven in the forests of Austria by Viktor Schrauberger in the 1950's who designed non linear log flumes with vortex inducing turns and vanes to transport wood that would not otherwise float.
NO not my theory... I'm just a gamer / PC enthusiast who had the misfortune to read some books. Should have stuck to the games but I was getting tired with the same old same old. You know the score RTS FPS RPG... no visionary new stuff so I though I'd give books a chance.
That makes two then because I thought the very same thing but apparently not the case with a vortex. Viktor would say that the compresser works destructively against the natural flow of energy in nature hence the inefficiency which results in heat.
Thanks for the good vibes... now if everyone would like to form a circle the resulting thought vortex
You had me panic for a moment throwing the perpertual motion into the mix but that's great because you've made me realise how stupid I have been. There is an obvious secondary energy input in the from of heat from the CPU so the hot water off the water block will be less dense and rise back to the egg to be reborn as cold water by the paddle and forces of gravity. This is plumbing technology I can copy with so the project is still green for go unless for some reason there is no such thing as submersible LEDS to make the vortex look pretty.
I'm all for a radiator fitted before the egg which would offload heat to the atmosphere prior to water re-entering the vortex. Post very much appreciated now I see a hybrid system is better. No plans to intruduce a pump just yet. I'll give gravity plumbing a chance first.
1) Is the egg shaped thing really the best shape for the changing radius of a water vortex? if you could use a cone, it would be bunches easier to make.
2) If the output water is rising in the center of the vortex from the coldblock, and if it is, it would diffuse its heat energy to the incoming water on the way up, become more dense and join the vortex thus creating a one way street downward? (or did i miss something)
3) you mention putting it on the roof.....how big does it have to be to achieve your temperatures?
4) the work making the egg thing might be equal to finding some gallium (i think thats what it was), putting it on a disk, and rotating it in and out of a magnetic field to cool a normal water setup (although slightly radioactive :-) ) sadly, ive figured this one would never fly what with the radioactive factor
btw-leds are waterproof (just dont short the leads in water)
good luck!
Who knows though, none of us are experts on this and it might not take as much energy as I'd have thought. I'd love to see a water cooling system that chills to 4c and runs entirely on the heat emitted by the cpu
Oh wait when the water hits the cpu and warms up it will become less dense and apply pressure on both sides on the water block which i think will cause it to backup and stop the vortex, a pump on either side on the water block would again keep the water flowing the right direction.
Oh one last thing, if you have any pictures of what the contraption looks like i'd be interested, it all sounds too good
Ed^
Thanks
Ed^
Just some thoughts,
Flint
I've been doing a little reading about this stuff but all the sites about it i've come across have been like translated from swedish and done fairly poorly. I guess i'll just find a copy of "Living Water" and try to get a better grip on it.
This one is much more interesting but construction is more difficult. The repeated re-cycling of the water through whorl pipes should bring the temperature of the entire volume of water down to 4 deg C even if the temperature drop resulting from a single passage through the whorl pipe is only small.
If anyone has access to or finds good links to data on density or temperature changes due to vortexial movement of energy please post. Text books on thermo-dynamics & thermo-fluids are expensive but I need more information.
Where does the heat go? I can see that it is is a closed loop system as you rightly point out and this causes me some concern. Unfortunately at this point in time I do not know. Fortunately the vortex resevoir as a project works on a purely visual level too so as a case mod of some description it's still cool. I will do my best to ensure that the temperature is also cool quite literally but you can appreciate that the dynamics of the system are complex.
I don't know where the heat goes. I would very much like to confirm the basics with data from more convetional science or laboratory research. Viktor's thinking and theory is inter-dimensional and more in line with modern day quantum physics with something approaching religious belief thrown in for good measure.
He built a good many practical machines no longer in existance either stolen and destroyed in WW2 or self destructed as levitational forces sent them skywards! His ideas were stolen and used to devolop jet engines... the science seems in most parts plausible and his life story is facinating.
Good luck to you on it though, it'll be the sweetest water cooling system ever if it works.
i have been doing quite a bit of research recently into the vortex theories, and would like to know if this project is still being carried out?
if so, i would perhaps like to help with some more ideas that i have been working on, that maybe could help.
kind regards
roderick