P4C800-E Deluxe No DISPLAY on boot

croc_croc_ New
edited September 2004 in Hardware
System starts, all lights and fans are on, hard drives spin, cd drivers scan, no display.

Tried a 9800 pro in the agp.
Tried an ATI Rage 128 in the pci slot.

Nothing. Cleared CMOS. Nothing.

Unplugged everything but the motherboard and HD, NOTHING.

I am prolly missing something obvious. Any suggestions?

See my sig for system specs.

The powersupply is a 250w dell psu, which worked fine with the dell mobo. That is the only thing that has changed, the motherboard.

HELP!!!
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  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    uuuuh ooooh.

    That might be a dell PSU that has swapped power leads. Not to scare you, understand.

    I would SERIOUSLY suggest a better PSU.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    I have an enermax 460 on the way. This was just to get it up and running till the new one arrived. So you think that is the culprit? I mean ... it starts ..... if i wasn't looking at the screen I would think it is working.

    UGH ... so troublesome ..... I guess I will look around here for a different powersupply. Could it be something else?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Yeah, possible.

    But I can't think of anything but:

    <font size=6 color=red>OMFG, CHANGE THE POWER SUPPLY</font>

    To be honest.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    OMFG, yes ... obviously .... it was the only one available to me ATM CALM DOWN :P

    I might drive 40 miles right now to pick up my friends spare 450w kingwin. IF THAT IS THE PROBLEM, otherwise I don't want to drive 40 miles to find out its something else.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    I was just saying, that's all I can think of ;D
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    ok .... well ... I am driving .... I will be back in about an hour -_-
  • TheBaronTheBaron Austin, TX
    edited November 2003
    no dell uses all proprietary components. that PSU wont work with anything other than a dell board. assuming you're lucky, it didn't fry anything
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Also, you plugged in the video card to the PSU? I have the same mobo and it booted up fine first and always so far, I'll be following closely. Dell sometimes changes the lines to the ATX header to a diff configuration, I would NOT plug that in to the ASUS at ALL
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    Too late haha .... well .... yeah i tried an ati rage pci card also .... that didnt work either .... SOOOOO now I am driving 40 miles to pick up a 450w psu to test in my system, to see if i didnt fry it.
  • Al_CapownAl_Capown Indiana
    edited November 2003
    Good luck and God's speed.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2003
    did it work before, or is this a new system build and this was the first time you powered it on?
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    die al, and geeky: new install, first time (all the components except mobo were in the dell poweredge before, and all operational)
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2003
    Well, I've got bad news for you: I'm betting you killed the board. 99% sure you did.

    Dells are extremely proprietary, and their PSes have different pinouts than a standard ATX PS. If you plug a Dell PS into a non-dell board or vice/versa, you're likely to kill the board, and possibly the power supply.

    You may have gotten EXTREMELY lucky and not had the board die, but I doubt it. I'd just hope it didn't kill anything else in the system, if I were you. The only way you'll know for sure if the board is intact is to borrow that PS.
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    I have visions of a scorched 9800P eek
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2003
    Yah. What I was thinking is that if the pinouts on the PS are off, the voltage regulators for say, the AGP slot, may have recieved a voltage other than what they were expecting (e.g. 5v instead of 3.3) and let too much voltage through to the card, which would probably cause the card to go "poof!"
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Well, I've got bad news for you: I'm betting you killed the board. 99% sure you did.

    *mumbles somthing about RMA and being impatient*

    Yeah, board is toast, everything else is fine. I am going to call newegg and ask if I can drive it over there, since I live so close.

    I knew I should have waited, but I was too excited -_-

    I knew Dell was proprietary for their stuff, but since the PSU said ATX, I ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD CONFORM THE THE STANDARD. **** Dell. Why label something ATX and use ATX connectors when its NOT the same? Use different connectors. **** ******* ***** ** **** Dell. IT SAYS ATX ON THE SIDE. Ok .... I am done. Thanks for the help .... even tho it was too late.
  • Al_CapownAl_Capown Indiana
    edited November 2003
    croc_ had this to say
    die al, and geeky)

    Last time i say anything nice to you, evar.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    You know I kid AL, I <3 u. You know in grade school, when a girl liked a guy, she would be mean to him? Yeah ... so ... umm ... wanna go out for ice cream sometime?
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited November 2003
    croc_ had this to say
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Well, I've got bad news for you: I'm betting you killed the board. 99% sure you did.

    *mumbles somthing about RMA and being impatient*

    Yeah, board is toast, everything else is fine. I am going to call newegg and ask if I can drive it over there, since I live so close.

    I knew I should have waited, but I was too excited -_-

    I knew Dell was proprietary for their stuff, but since the PSU said ATX, I ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD CONFORM THE THE STANDARD. **** Dell. Why label something ATX and use ATX connectors when its NOT the same? Use different connectors. **** ******* ***** ** **** Dell. IT SAYS ATX ON THE SIDE. Ok .... I am done. Thanks for the help .... even tho it was too late.

    If I had a nickel for every swear word used there... I'd have enough to pay my visa card this month :)

    NEVER EVER use a Dell PSU on a non-Dell based system. Both use the standard ATX 10x2 pin connector, but the Dell PSU has a different pin-out design that doesn't conform to the ATX power standard.

    IE the Dell PSU's lead 13 is really supposed to be lead 10 on standard ATX PSU's. You can see how the board would fry if the PSU's lead 13 carried a voltage of 12V, but the board's lead 13 was expecting 3.3V. :(
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    TheBaron had this to say
    no dell uses all proprietary components. that PSU wont work with anything other than a dell board. assuming you're lucky, it didn't fry anything
    Nope. AFAIK only proprietary components Dell uses are PSU, motherboard, case and maybe the floppy. Everything else is normal.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    SimGuy had this to say
    If I had a nickel for every swear word used there... I'd have enough to pay my visa card this month :)

    NEVER EVER use a Dell PSU on a non-Dell based system. Both use the standard ATX 10x2 pin connector, but the Dell PSU has a different pin-out design that doesn't conform to the ATX power standard.

    IE the Dell PSU's lead 13 is really supposed to be lead 10 on standard ATX PSU's. You can see how the board would fry if the PSU's lead 13 carried a voltage of 12V, but the board's lead 13 was expecting 3.3V. :(

    Well, in my rush to get my NEW SUPER DUPER TOAST-E DELUX motherboard up and running I picked up the PSU, saw ATX, looked at the connector, plugged it in - fits - and turned it on, no post, no anything. OH WELL. I blame Dell for mis-labeling their stuff. I am always right! -_-;;
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Just as a little example of what happened, here's the discrepancies: 
    Pin     ATX     Dell
1       +3.3    +5
2       +3.3    GND
3       GND     +5
4       +5      GND
5       GND     PWR-OK
6       +5      +5sb
7       GND     +12
8       PWR-OK  -12
9       +5sb    GND
10      +12     GND
11      +3.3    PS_ON
12      -12     GND
14      PS_ON   GND
15      GND     -5
16      GND     +5
17      GND     +5
18      -5      +5
19      +5      empty

    You have to give them a little credit. They got 2 out of 20 right, so that's 10%, right? They basically just put voltage to all your grounds and grounds to all your voltage, and then shorted PS_ON and all voltages to ground.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    lol after looking at that, croc, count your blessings it was only the mobo that died
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    that chart made me sick to my stomach......
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    It's almost like they designed it to kill other equipment, but don't quote me on that.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • Al_CapownAl_Capown Indiana
    edited November 2003
    It got me all razzled up down there.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited November 2003
    I vote Dell off the island. They are the weakest link. asdfaskldgjsldkgjasldkgjasl;dkgjasl;kdgjasl;dkgjasl;dkgjasl;dkgjasl;djkg im so mada iasdfa fasdf;asjd f************* asdf asdlgas
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited November 2003
    drasnor, it sure looks like that to me, too. and it wouldn't surprise me if they did, either.
  • Optimus-MatrixOptimus-Matrix Phoenix
    edited December 2003
    I know this may not be your problem but i had the stupidest thing happen with my p4p800. I hooked up a new hdd. so i plugged everything back into the back of the computer and i pressed start and the damn thing wouln't even post no beeps, no display or anything. the hdd spooled up but i could not get this display to work. I thought i fried my video card so i start messing with that and i figured i'd unplug everything in the back so i unplugged my usb cables turned on the computer and the damn thing booted right up. I have no clue what the hell the usb cableskeeping my sytem from booting but i just put them in different ports and it's worked perfectly ever since
  • Al_CapownAl_Capown Indiana
    edited December 2003
    No croc_'s a goon :P. He plugged a dell psu into a non dell motherboard. Never will I let you forget about this croc_ :D
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