so is that a good monitor/price??? I mean like ... is that an old model? or like should I not get a refurb from them? I just dont want to buy a broken monitor.
Dude! You're getting a Dell! The same Dell UltraScan P1110 that I have
Great 21" Trinitron picture, 0.24AG Aperture Grille dot pitch (one of the lowest available), adjustable everything, dual SUB-D VGA inputs. Best to run the thing @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz for 100% flicker-free, eye-strain free operation.
I'm pleasently surprised at how well this Grade-A monitor works... especially for $150.00 CDN
//Edit: I'll note that the Manufacturing date on my UltraScan P1110 is December 2000, so it's not like's an overly old monitor. Trinitron AG CRT's haven't really been updated in 5 years...
I'm not sure if you've had the chance to see a side-by-side comparison between an Aperture Grille monitor and Shadow Mask monitor, but DAMN there is a major difference.
IE, the picture is definately more crisp on the AG monitor with a much less fuzzy look. The video bandwidth on these AG monitors usually allow much clearer images to be displayed, even at low-level resolutions.
One thing I have noticed is that it takes the AG monitors substantially longer to switch between resolutions.
IE, I ran 3DMark2001SE side by side on both P4 systems (one with the Dell, one with a Spamsung 750s) and the AG monitor takes like 5 seconds to switch resolutions/switch between an image and a 3D rendered scene, while the Shadow Mask took less than 1 second.
Not sure if it matters, but it's something I've noticed.
The lack of faint lines is pleasing, but it has problems displaying dark colors on black backgrounds: Blood red on black for instance.
The picture, on the other hand, is very vibrant, and clear despite that niggling problem. Resolutions switch quickly, faster than the Sony AG below. I don't dislike either.
We have a top-of-the-line Sony 21" at school, and it has its own quirks.
But for $200 USD, I'll be getting an AG Dell P1110, because trinitrons still freaking rock.
I have a Dell P991 and is easily the best monitor I've ever owned. I'm on a waiting list for any new used Dell 19-21' trinitrons that come in. I want to replace the crap Samsung 955DF 19" Dyna-Flat I have at work. Dyna-Flat my 4ZZ!
DogSoldier had this to say I have a Dell P991 and is easily the best monitor I've ever owned. I'm on a waiting list for any new used Dell 19-21' trinitrons that come in. I want to replace the crap Samsung 955DF 19" Dyna-Flat I have at work. Dyna-Flat my 4ZZ!
Dyna-Flat! IE.... ISM with a flat outer glass tube, but inner-tube that's curved like a baseball
DogSoldier... if you're ever in the neighbourhood of Peterborough, Ontario, stop in a place called "United Computer Superstore," located on Erskine Drive @ High Street, 100 M just south of Lansdowne Street.
That's where I picked up my Grade-A Dell P1110 for an impressive $150.00 CDN (usually $349.99 CDN). They get new shipments of stuff all the time... so it's a little hard to predict what they have in stock at the time.
The Compaq P1100 is the exact same as the Dell P1110, accept the Compaq P1100 supports MUCH higher refresh rates. For instance, at 1280x1024 the Compaq P1110 can go as high as 85hz, while the Dell P1100 can go as high as 110Hz). I have found that it is hard to come by a monitor that supports a refresh rate other than 75 and 85hz for each resolution, which is rather puzzling as I cannot stand to look at a bright image (such as MS Word) with a refresh rate lower than 100hz.
The Compaq P1100 also has a light sensor to automatically adjust the brightness and contrast according to the room's lighting. I find this more or less useless, as it tends to make the picture a bit darker than I feel it should be.
Another feature exclusive to the Compaq P1100 is the 4 port USB hub. It's built in on the right side of the monitor's base.
I should mention, there are both Dell and Compaq P1100's, but Dell chose not to modify the firmware to support the higher refresh rates (for some reason). The Dell model is also sans light sensor and USB hub.
I got mine from Merkortech for $235 (Grade A), a touch over $300 after shipping.
I'm using a Nokia Multigraph 447za and never had any problems, except when movin it. Then again all crt:s are heavy. Don't like the speakers on it though. The max supported refreshrate is 85 mhz which it's running at 1024x768.
Speaking of refreshrates i noticed a box in the properties meny. It said tick to only display supported refreshrates. By not ticking it the pulldown meny shows up to 150 mhz as max but ticked it shows 85. I remember reading of the problems that some users had with their radeons and catalyst 3.8 drivers which now been fixed and it got me thinking of that tab.
I'm not into monitors so i can't really give advice but from the comercials about tv:s and monitors iv'e seen trinitron is supposed to be good.
if I can scrounge up 180 bucks ill get one then. thanks!!
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited December 2003
Definitly do it. My wife has the same Dell P991 that DogSoldier has and is basicly the 19" version of what you are looking at. Hers is also a refurb and we just love it.
TheSmJ had this to say From Merkortech: Dell P1110's supported refresh rates.
I'm not saying your lieing, Sim, I just find it odd that Merkortech underrates the monitor.
They also claim the DP is .25.
Wierd. I swear to god this thing does 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz. I'll take a digital photo of the on-screen display running at that res.
Here ya go. That website probably displays the default ratings for each level, as when I set to 1280x1024, it does default to 85 Hz, however I can crank it to 100 Hz.
That page you posted really doesn't have any good monitors (well, the Iiyama or whatever is great), but the others aren't.
The LG F900P uses proprietary Slot-Mask display technology, which is hybrid Aperture Grille, Shadow Mask that eliminates the 2 aperture grille lines seen on Trinitron tubes, yet increases image clarity and brightness over shadow mask monitors.
The Mitsubishi on there has a very low maximum resolution, refresh rate and AG dot pitch (0.25 at the centre, 0.27 at the outside).
I hate the aperture grille lines (I have a Trinitron here at work) and now that you brought them to my attention, SimGuy, I'll be staring at them all night!
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
edited December 2003
Well, they are nice for when you have a situation where you have bright light around your work area, not glary but bright. They JUMP at you when monitor is real close or you have a coarse AG or you have a dim surrounding. Eye will process the AG into background if montior is 2-3 feet from eye, unless you are looking at a bright monitor and have dim surrounding light, then the contrast between the aperture lines and the screen will jump at you. Try brighter light around computer, and slightly increasing contrast on display OSD (possibly also decreasing brightness, but try contrast FIRST) if you have an AG monitor.
GHoosdum had this to say I hate the aperture grille lines (I have a Trinitron here at work) and now that you brought them to my attention, SimGuy, I'll be staring at them all night!
Bah, you can hardly see them after you get used to using an AG monitor.
GHoosdum had this to say I'm gonna put strips of duct tape across your monitor at the LAN, SimGuy, and then chant "AG Lines, AG Lines" to you over and over again.
Who needs a monitor! I use Windows Ex-Pee Braille Edition
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Merkortech can help me!
Great 21" Trinitron picture, 0.24AG Aperture Grille dot pitch (one of the lowest available), adjustable everything, dual SUB-D VGA inputs. Best to run the thing @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz for 100% flicker-free, eye-strain free operation.
I'm pleasently surprised at how well this Grade-A monitor works... especially for $150.00 CDN
//Edit: I'll note that the Manufacturing date on my UltraScan P1110 is December 2000, so it's not like's an overly old monitor. Trinitron AG CRT's haven't really been updated in 5 years...
Thanks Sim.
IE, the picture is definately more crisp on the AG monitor with a much less fuzzy look. The video bandwidth on these AG monitors usually allow much clearer images to be displayed, even at low-level resolutions.
One thing I have noticed is that it takes the AG monitors substantially longer to switch between resolutions.
IE, I ran 3DMark2001SE side by side on both P4 systems (one with the Dell, one with a Spamsung 750s) and the AG monitor takes like 5 seconds to switch resolutions/switch between an image and a 3D rendered scene, while the Shadow Mask took less than 1 second.
Not sure if it matters, but it's something I've noticed.
The lack of faint lines is pleasing, but it has problems displaying dark colors on black backgrounds: Blood red on black for instance.
The picture, on the other hand, is very vibrant, and clear despite that niggling problem. Resolutions switch quickly, faster than the Sony AG below. I don't dislike either.
We have a top-of-the-line Sony 21" at school, and it has its own quirks.
But for $200 USD, I'll be getting an AG Dell P1110, because trinitrons still freaking rock.
Dyna-Flat! IE.... ISM with a flat outer glass tube, but inner-tube that's curved like a baseball
DogSoldier... if you're ever in the neighbourhood of Peterborough, Ontario, stop in a place called "United Computer Superstore," located on Erskine Drive @ High Street, 100 M just south of Lansdowne Street.
That's where I picked up my Grade-A Dell P1110 for an impressive $150.00 CDN (usually $349.99 CDN). They get new shipments of stuff all the time... so it's a little hard to predict what they have in stock at the time.
The Compaq P1100 also has a light sensor to automatically adjust the brightness and contrast according to the room's lighting. I find this more or less useless, as it tends to make the picture a bit darker than I feel it should be.
Another feature exclusive to the Compaq P1100 is the 4 port USB hub. It's built in on the right side of the monitor's base.
I should mention, there are both Dell and Compaq P1100's, but Dell chose not to modify the firmware to support the higher refresh rates (for some reason). The Dell model is also sans light sensor and USB hub.
I got mine from Merkortech for $235 (Grade A), a touch over $300 after shipping.
Speaking of refreshrates i noticed a box in the properties meny. It said tick to only display supported refreshrates. By not ticking it the pulldown meny shows up to 150 mhz as max but ticked it shows 85. I remember reading of the problems that some users had with their radeons and catalyst 3.8 drivers which now been fixed and it got me thinking of that tab.
I'm not into monitors so i can't really give advice but from the comercials about tv:s and monitors iv'e seen trinitron is supposed to be good.
TheSMJ, AFAIK the Dell P1110 has higher-refresh rates than the Compaq P1110.
The only reason they are named the same? Both use the same 0.24AG Trinitron tube used in Sony's CPD-G520.
if I can scrounge up 180 bucks ill get one then. thanks!!
I'm not saying your lieing, Sim, I just find it odd that Merkortech underrates the monitor.
They also claim the DP is .25.
NS
Wierd. I swear to god this thing does 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz. I'll take a digital photo of the on-screen display running at that res.
Here ya go. That website probably displays the default ratings for each level, as when I set to 1280x1024, it does default to 85 Hz, however I can crank it to 100 Hz.
http://support.ap.dell.com/docs/monitors/p1110/En/intro.htm
NS
That page you posted really doesn't have any good monitors (well, the Iiyama or whatever is great), but the others aren't.
The LG F900P uses proprietary Slot-Mask display technology, which is hybrid Aperture Grille, Shadow Mask that eliminates the 2 aperture grille lines seen on Trinitron tubes, yet increases image clarity and brightness over shadow mask monitors.
The Mitsubishi on there has a very low maximum resolution, refresh rate and AG dot pitch (0.25 at the centre, 0.27 at the outside).
John.
Bah, you can hardly see them after you get used to using an AG monitor.
AG Lines... AG Lines... AG Lines...
Who needs a monitor! I use Windows Ex-Pee Braille Edition
While they listed my monitor (Compaq P1100) having support for all the refresh rates I mentioned, they also said the DP was .25.
Rather odd.
Anyways, as both Compaq and Dell have both P1100 monitors, and P1110 monitors, I wonder what the diff is between the two model numbers.