Monitor - Good or no?

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  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited December 2003
    NightShade737 had this to say
    Right, managed to hoist the monitor into the attic via rope, industrial strengh ribbon, and 3 people....

    I plugged it in, turned it on, and it just sits there flashing a yellow light......

    So I left it for about 5 mins, turned it on again... this time the light was green for about 30 seconds, then went to a fixed yellow..... so I switched to input no 2 to check, and it went back to the flashing yellow, so I switched back and it carried on flashing....

    Is there anything I should know about this monitor? As I'm not sure why the light is flashing and does it need to be left plugged in but turned off for some length of time before use?

    NS

    Unfortunately, she's dead NS. You'll have to return it. Light should be green when it's working properly, orange when in suspend/low-power mode and yellow when there is no signal from the input currently selected.

    $250 pounds? Holy ****, I wouldn't be letting something expensive like that sit in the corner. Take the pride hit and exchange the bloody thing for one that works, whether you have to ask for help to get it out of the attic or not.

    I wish I could be that frugal with my money...
  • edited December 2003
    NightShade737 had this to say
    No, really it is heavy, I could barely actually pick it up, never mind anything else... (70.5lbs)

    But yeah, not sure if my parents would let me start attaching things too the roof. They are very iffy about looks of the house, i.e. they wont let me half close the front curtain when its sunny so you can actually see the TV because "it looks messy from outside" :(

    NS

    You wouldnt have to attach anything longer than it would take you to get it downstairs (10 minutes). You could simply nail them into place on the floor and JUST over the hatchway, allowing you to screw in the eyehooks to the studs to hold one end of the rope.

    Once the stuff is downstairs, pull the nails with a hammer. It's cake!

    Come to think of it, you would only need one stud to connect an eyehook, so thats even better.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited December 2003
    One 2X4 laid across the opening will do it. Get one long enough so you don't have to worry about it shifting a few inches and falling through the hole. Here in the US a stud-grade (cheap, unfinished, maybe a few knots in it) 8' 2X4 costs about $3.

    Put the monitor back in the box it came in with all the packing etc. Tie your rope around all sides and drop it down the hole, looped around the 2X4 twice. Then get someone weighing substantially more than 70.5 lbs to hold the loose end. At that point just push the monitor off the edge. The friction of two loops of rope will make it very easy to hold (by your guy at the bottom).

    2X4's are amazingly strong. It may bow a little, but you could lower 500lbs doing it the way I described (with two burly guys below holding the free end of the rope).

    I know how you feel, NS. Seems like lately I've had everything electronic I own give me fits. I put a 17" monitor in the trash yesterday after smoke came out of it. Today I made a 210-mile round-trip to work on my dads computer (dead 160GB Maxtor; 5 months old). Thursday I'll repeat the process to take his computer back to him. I built my daughter a brand new system for Christmas last year and have already replaced her HD, Case, and MB. The case was DOA and the jerks at the place I bought it made me disassemble the whole works, when merely exchanging the front panel would have sufficed. My $400 stereo receiver was DOA when I moved here in the summer of 2002 and I've done without ever since.

    These things seem to go in cycles. Just keep reminding yourself that once you get past all this you're going to have a beautiful monitor which will be the envy of the neighborhood. I still get a kick out of the reaction when people come over and see my 21" Nokia - beats having a Mercedes in the driveway (sorry Geeky1 :p ).

    Look on the bright side - at least it's doubtful anyone will be able to steal it! :thumbsup:
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Well you could always do like what khan did to the roof of my garage... fall through the sheetrock and leave a man-sized hole. I like my Viewsonic P225fb. I know it's not in your price range, but I'm happiest at 2048x1536 @ 75Hz. I can fit four 1024x768 windows on my desktop without squinting, and the fonts really aren't that small. Letter height for 10 point font is 3-4mm tall, easily legible from .5m away.

    I run all my monitors at their highest resolution that supports 75Hz refresh, except the stack of 15's, which are 1024x768 @ 60Hz. I don't use the 15's very often.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • khankhan New
    edited December 2003
    stfu. we need to put these things behind us, and move on to embrace the future

    or something.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Well, after a few days with my P1110, I have a problem with it.

    Same thing happens on the other trinitron monitor I use at school;

    The refresh rate I pick isn't what the monitor uses. If I set it to 1600x1200 @ 85Hz, it does 75kHz/60Hz..

    Wtf?
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Do you have the DirectX SDK installed, or are using a graphics card made by ATI?

    I had this problem for a little while, and I had to mess with my DirectX SDK control panel (SDK users only: DirectX Properties->DirectDraw->Forced Refresh Rate) and screw with the Catalyst control panel (Display Properties->Settings->Advanced->Displays->Monitor->Attributes->Maximum Refresh/Maximum Resolution/Refresh Rate Override). I bet you can figure out the rest from here if you're having the same problem I had.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Yeah. 9700 Pro.

    I used a program called ReForce to force a refresh, but even that's not working.

    I'll take a peek into the video CPL and see what's up.


    //EDIT:

    You rock Dras. Works great now! Thanks. :D
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    If you don't have the SDK, then it's not causing the problem. The SDK forced my refresh to 60Hz by default and disabled hardware accelleration(I had to install it to compile shtuff) and it took me awhile to figure out where I needed to go to fix it. If you don't have it and don't need it I don't recommend installing it, especially cause it adds more stuff to your system (Debug versions of all the DirectX files, the DirectX debug service, etc.)

    -drasnor :fold:
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    See above! :D
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    :Pwned:

    -drasnor :fold:
  • edited January 2004
    I have a Dell P1110 monitor and found this thread at random. My black background doesn't appear to be "black" per se and I was curious if any of you could post a screen shot of your color settings and what you have your brightness/contrast at.

    I'd appreciate it very much and my eyes would as well. :)
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    I use 11000 kelvin color, 100% contrast, 58% brightness.

    Colors are vibrant, black is black, and nothing is overly saturated.
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Thrax wrote:
    I use 11000 kelvin color, 100% contrast, 58% brightness.

    Colors are vibrant, black is black, and nothing is overly saturated.

    Thrax: I am having trouble getting this monitor to look sharp at 1600x1200. It is quite annoying and difficult to use at this res because of it. Playing with the convergence settings for about......... an hour... eventually got it partially usable but it still isn't sharp.

    I tried 11000 kelvin, 100% contrast and 58% brightness, but the screen is very......... blue.....

    How annoying, if I set the Refresh rate to 60, 1600x1200 is fine, but any higher (even 70) then it doesn't look as crisp and is harder to read :(

    Strange thing though. In sims post where he has a pic of the screen with the OSD on, well my OSD shows the screen res too.
  • pseudonympseudonym Michigan Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    I'm a moron :)

    I need to start looking at dates.

    /me hangs his head in shame.....
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Thrax wrote:
    Well, after a few days with my P1110, I have a problem with it.

    Same thing happens on the other trinitron monitor I use at school;

    The refresh rate I pick isn't what the monitor uses. If I set it to 1600x1200 @ 85Hz, it does 75kHz/60Hz..

    Wtf?

    Thrax (and the rest of you talking in this thread), your BIOS, monitor and card are using DDC or DDC2 to set a rate independently of Windows. Cards and monitors that support DDC or DDC2 can talk to each othr and "agree" on what works for the screen res and color depth combos you choose. Hardware is overriding what you set.

    In XP, in the Advanced dialog for your card and monitor, there is a way to get the dialog to tell you what the monitor and card think can be done. there is a checkbox next to a phrase that starts with "hide" and reversing the selection of that checkbox brings up a different mode list than the default list. The default list is per the driver defaults. Monitors cannot always use the driver defaults. What you get by reversing the selection state for that one check box is a list of the rate modes given in the inf file XP is trying to use for that monitor. If the modes do not match the monitor manual, then DDC can override the choices you make. And you get a rematching to a rate that the display handlers use and the card and monitor can both actually DO via a DDC signal exchange. I would look on Dell's site for an inf file for monitor nwer than the stock XP driver on CD. XP comes with PNP inf files, adn some OEM supplied inf files as of when the CD ISO was finalized. Many manufacturesrs have to adjust these later, and they stick them on their websites-- so you can get an XP inf file that does not apply to your monitor, and later find a more accurate one on the monitor mfr's website.

    I can set 85 for my monitor, I get 72. DDC at work. The lower the refresh rate at any one Kelvin, the warmer things look, and the higher the refresh rate at same kelvin, if you are near the edge of the monitor or card's limits(whichever is lower), the bluer (and darker) things look.

    john d.
  • edited February 2004
    Hello there, I just got my hands on a Compaq p1100 for a mere £100 :). anyhow I turned it on and works like a charm but at close inspection I can make out 2 small lines near the centre of the screen (about
    <that size but grey and not dashed:) ) anyone know what it could be, ive tried lower resolutions, refresh rates etc. I read somewhere that it could be interference but I can’t think of anything close that can be causing it.
  • drasnordrasnor Starship Operator Hawthorne, CA Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Gonzo wrote:
    Hello there, I just got my hands on a Compaq p1100 for a mere £100 :). anyhow I turned it on and works like a charm but at close inspection I can make out 2 small lines near the centre of the screen (about
    <that size but grey and not dashed:) ) anyone know what it could be, ive tried lower resolutions, refresh rates etc. I read somewhere that it could be interference but I can’t think of anything close that can be causing it.

    Yeah, those two lines are wire supports for the aperture grille in your flat screen CRT monitor. They're on every single aperture grille monitor in existence. Now say hello and get used to your new friends :D.

    -drasnor :fold:
  • awwaww
    edited March 2004
    I just obtained a refurbed dell ultrascan p991 and found your interesting thread on the 990's and 1100's. Maybe y'all can help me?

    This monitor is awesome except for one little problem, there is a slight vertical "bend" upwards in the horizontal middle of the screen. It's subtle but my eyes definitely see the bow effect and it's annoying as my 17" never had such an issue.

    None of the geometry settings can fix the issue as there doesn't seem to be a fix for vertical bends, only horizontal ones? :(

    I am using a nvidia geforce mx video card, perhaps this can be fixed through the card? Powerstrip doesn't seem to have such an ability but maybe some other software does?

    Thanks for any help!
  • DogSoldierDogSoldier The heart of radical Amish country..
    edited March 2004
    Interesting, I never noticed til you mentioned it. (And i thought this thread was kilt) but I do have a slight vertical bow, (Just measured it with a straight edge) nothing radical.. maybe a pixel or two. I guess it doesn't bother me.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited March 2004
    aww wrote:
    I just obtained a refurbed dell ultrascan p991 and found your interesting thread on the 990's and 1100's. Maybe y'all can help me?

    This monitor is awesome except for one little problem, there is a slight vertical "bend" upwards in the horizontal middle of the screen. It's subtle but my eyes definitely see the bow effect and it's annoying as my 17" never had such an issue.

    None of the geometry settings can fix the issue as there doesn't seem to be a fix for vertical bends, only horizontal ones? :(

    I am using a nvidia geforce mx video card, perhaps this can be fixed through the card? Powerstrip doesn't seem to have such an ability but maybe some other software does?

    Thanks for any help!

    Ok, first, is you monitor absolutely flat screened???

    Most CRT monitors are not actually totally flat. So, to fix, you change the height of monitor relative to eyes, and the angle it is looking at you at (IE, you want top of monitor at top of head and to have it angeled so the middle of screen is pointing at center of eyes.

    Then, to adjust, see if it has an on-screen display. If so, you can minimize distortion by adjusting the picture to center of screen, then look for the size controls, vertical and horizontal, and get them so minimum even black is around picture to screen edge.

    Nest step is to see if the monitor has pincushion adjustment. What pincushioning adjustment does is to move the centering of the aim of the gun to the screen "painting area." Yes, you are using electronics to "paint" a very dense bitmapped picture, using flourescing chemicals to do this. The pincushioning is caused, if it is not still centered, by the "gun" that shoots electronic beams at the pizel structure of flourescing chemicals being a tib off center. If adjusting height and tilt of montior does not fix your curve, then aim is slightly off. monitors are very sensitive to being jostled, trick is to tilt gently.

    Tall folks have been known to use a monitor arm and tray on end to adjust height just right. Short folks use mostly tilt to get rid of the curve as much as possible.

    My 17 inch X-Flat KDs was bit low, and I had to raise it on a book or two to get it high enough. My LCD had curvatures, but I fixed that by keeping it low and using a back tilt to minimize them. I also used the fine tuning, and ended up cusotm tunign the refresh rate so it was not quite per manual-- it was best at 72 for vert refresh instead of the nominal 75 max at res I had set.

    Remember I said that the monitors were sensitive to jostling??? They get a lot of that in shipping and your unpacking-- guaranteed! So, when you get a monitor, play with the OSD (on-screen display) and sync it to your card as far as refresh rate and the position of display, and refresh ratings per the monitor manual. The otehr thing, is speakers right close to amonitor can casue bends in display with mag fields from speaker magnets, speakers are best if not within a foot or two of monitor, and best for big speakers or woofers is SEVERAL or more feet away from monitor of CRt type. LCDs are not as good quality of pic for same price, but much less mag field sensitive... :D

    John D-- with a mini-HowTo on monitors and how to get best results with them.
  • edited June 2004
    TheSmJ & others,

    I own both a Compaq P1100 and a Dell P1110. However, the P1100 will not go above 85Hz in any mode. It shows as a "Plug and Play Monitor" so I think my drivers are the problem. I do not have the driver disc, but I did download the drivers from:

    http://www.compaq.com/support/files/ to here...
    http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/index.html (filled in P1100 and Windows XP Home) to here...
    http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/download/14322.html

    Now, when I went to install these drivers, "P1100" was not in the list! I had to choose "other monitor"! I went back to the page and noticed it says:

    "Adds support for the following Compaq monitors: 5500, S920, M720, 7500, 7550, 9500, P720, P920, P1220, 5017, TFT5030, 7020, TFT8030."

    No P1100!

    ...

    So, can anyone help me find the proper drivers to allow my monitor to go into higher refresh modes than 85Hz?

    Thanks!
  • edited June 2004
    TheSmJ,

    I own both a Compaq P1100 and a Dell P1110.

    However, The Compaq P1100 will (incorrectly) only go as high as 85Hz in every mode and shows up as a "Plug and Play Monitor".

    I do not have the driver disc, but I did download the drivers from

    http://www.compaq.com/support/files/ to here...
    http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/index.html (filled in P1100 and Windows XP Home) to here...
    http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/monitors/us/download/14322.html

    Now, when I went to install these drivers, "P1100" was not in the list! I had to choose "other monitor"! I went back to the page and noticed it says:

    "Adds support for the following Compaq monitors: 5500, S920, M720, 7500, 7550, 9500, P720, P920, P1220, 5017, TFT5030, 7020, TFT8030."

    No P1100!

    ...

    So, can anyone help me find the proper drivers to allow my monitor to go into higher refresh modes than 85Hz?

    Thanks!


    My driver works just spiffy. I'll post them tonight if I remember.

    Because it's not "Digitally Signed", I have to change the monitor driver from "Plug and Play" to "Compaq P1100" in the compatible drivers list. It then whines about it not being signed, I accept, and it loads fine from then on (until I un-install the video card).

    As for the refresh, mine works great at 1280x1024 @ 100Hz, but I have to select it as an "unsupported refresh rate". The reason for this is this refresh rate at this rez isn't supported by Compaq, but the monitor itself is capable of it.
  • edited June 2004
    TheSmJ wrote:
    As for the refresh, mine works great at 1280x1024 @ 100Hz, but I have to select it as an "unsupported refresh rate". The reason for this is this refresh rate at this rez isn't supported by Compaq, but the monitor itself is capable of it.
    First of all, thanks for the help.

    I can, in the Advanced Display properties, uncheck "hide modes that this monitor cannot display" and put the refresh higher, however I am not sure what rates are OK for the display.

    As far as I know the P1100 meets or beast the P1110 in every mode, so I could do it like that. However, it would be nice if the drivers would feed Windows the proper data in the first place.
  • edited June 2004
  • edited June 2004
    I cannot download that link. Can you check it for me?

    Two more questions:

    1) if you have to "but I have to select it as an 'unsupported refresh rate'", then what is the difference from me doing this right now?

    2) what happens if I put my refresh higher than the monitor supports? I am assuming it will not break down immediately, but instead just show a garbled screen or something weird. Is my assumption correct?

    Thanks!
  • botheredbothered Manchester UK
    edited June 2004
    I have two iiyama vision master pros, a 17 inch (kids) and a 19 inch. They are both excellent. I would like a 21 inch though, hmmm, I wonder where understanding wife is?
  • edited June 2004
    I cannot download that link. Can you check it for me?

    Two more questions:

    1) if you have to "but I have to select it as an 'unsupported refresh rate'", then what is the difference from me doing this right now?

    2) what happens if I put my refresh higher than the monitor supports? I am assuming it will not break down immediately, but instead just show a garbled screen or something weird. Is my assumption correct?

    Thanks!


    Sorry about the link... I think my computer crashed (Hasn't happened in a month, but it makes perfect sence for it to do it the night I leave). I'd reboot it now but I'm in DC until Monday night.

    1. It's useful if you use the special RGB color mode on the monitor (If you dont know what this is, than you aren't) as Windows is supposed to have a color driver to match. Otherwise, it just changes the name of the monitor in the Display properties.

    2. The monitor will not attempt a refresh rate higher than it can support. Go ahead and set it to 200hz, and an OSD window will pop up telling you the refresh rate is higher than the monitor could handle (wait 30 seconds without pressing a key, and Windows will bring the refresh rate back to what it was before the change). Back in the day when monitors had no protection from this, it was very easy to kill the color guns (I've done it before) simply by setting the refresh SLIGHTLY higher than what the monitor could do (but not enough to make it immediatly apparent). Now adays it's more for peice of mind, and because some people still use 10 year old monitors.

    EDIT:

    Link should be working again... the computer hibernated for some odd reason.
  • edited June 2004
    TheSmJ, the link worked this time. Your file is exactly the same as the driver file I downloaded (explained in a previous post above), "SP20493.exe", and it was the same file. I used "fc /b" (file compare, binary mode) to test this.

    Again, These drivers did not "unlock" the higher refresh modes. When I install them, it does not have "P1100" as a choice, instead I have to choose "other monitor", again as explained in a previous post above. Do these drivers work for you?

    I do not know what you mean by "if you use the special RGB color mode on the monitor". Can you elaborate please?

    Thanks for your help.
  • edited June 2004
    TheSmJ, the link worked this time. Your file is exactly the same as the driver file I downloaded (explained in a previous post above), "SP20493.exe", and it was the same file. I used "fc /b" (file compare, binary mode) to test this.

    Again, These drivers did not "unlock" the higher refresh modes. When I install them, it does not have "P1100" as a choice, instead I have to choose "other monitor", again as explained in a previous post above. Do these drivers work for you?

    I do not know what you mean by "if you use the special RGB color mode on the monitor". Can you elaborate please?

    Thanks for your help.


    The drivers work great for me... I dunno what else to tell you.

    As far as the RGB mode, there is a special RGB mode the monitor can do which allows for the printer to print the EXACT same color/temp as what you see on the monitor. I'd tell you how to do it, but I'm not in front of it at the moment, and I dont use it anyways.
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