So without water cooling the performance from the extreme processor would be kinda pointless? Since I think its the same but it has a unlocked multiplier
Any 9x series quad-core is probably cut from the same silicon. They'll hit the same clockspeeds.
So the purpose of anyone buying those xtreme ones, are because of the unlocked multiplier? And I am guessing they are pretty much ment to be water cooled. I heard they run hot.
it is never dead. Past 1600 is actually out of Spec but there is no reason to buy the 1600, you are going to hit a max fsb of 1900 with the 9450. If you run your bus at a one to one then you are running 900MHz
Nehalem won't be out in any significant volume -- or with reasonable prices -- until the middle of 2009. If you buy a respectable setup now, you would only have to change your motherboard and CPU when the Nehalem is released. It uses a new socket. You could transplant everything else.
Nehalem won't be out in any significant volume -- or with reasonable prices -- until the middle of 2009. If you buy a respectable setup now, you would only have to change your motherboard and CPU when the Nehalem is released. It uses a new socket. You could transplant everything else.
True but by the time Nehalem hits, DDR 3 Prices and gtx 280 prices should come down quite a bit. Plus new hardware might come out like sound cards, cases, all that good stuff.
True but by the time Nehalem hits, DDR 3 Prices and gtx 280 prices should come down quite a bit. Plus new hardware might come out like sound cards, cases, all that good stuff.
I don't know, I think I will just wait for now.
Yes, but then DDR4 will be right around the corner and the GTX 380 will be released, and Intel's new chipset will be the new bad boy on the block, and the new motherboards will have SATA 6.0Gbps, and........................................................................................
Totally. I'd build now, sit on it for a year, measure upgrade cost and then see if it's actually worth it. I was still playing games in high when I had my video card. My processor is just now reaching it's limit, but still providing everything I need.
The only advice I have for you is regardless of what chip or board, make sure your bus is designed for what you want to do.
What full tower cases can you guys recommend for air cooling?
I don't mind spending $400 on a really nice case since I already measured it fits well within my budget.
I am struggling with Cosmos S, Stacker 832, Silverstone TJ07... but I am not sure which is outstanding for air flow. Maybe not any of these, the cosmos biometric power button doesn't appeal to me. And the width of Stacker 832 isn't big enough for most heatsinks.
[v][AGIC']Silverstone TJ07 or Lian Li V1000 or v2000.
Yeah I wasn't sure if you need like 4 fans blowing at the mobo like the stacker 832 I mean I think it helps but some of these cases like the TJ07 use the separate compartment cooling type of system.
I like the look of the TJ07 looks like a solid case.
Hey guys, you know since I will be building this PC. I was thinking because I do have a 42" 1080P Samsung hdtv that I play my PS3 on... I think I might aswell make a home theater setup and game on the tv.
So I need to know what resolution would a 42" screen have?
Hey guys I am going to revive this thread because I am debating a build around the same budget and also still have more questions which I think this is also a good question thread without me opening 20 threads and flooding the forum.
1. Obviously I have never built a computer, so I don't know the first thing that would happen when you turn on the computer... It goes to BIOS on the mobo right? And how do I configure BIOS, any guides?
2. If I ran some Seagates say 500GB (or less storage) 32MB Cache 7200 RPM in raid 0 (it would be cheaper) Probably same price as a velociraptor. Would that be the same performance if not better than slapping my operating system and games on a 10k velociraptor (no raid) and use a seagate for storage? Or will it matter at all.
3. Would it be stupid to build a 2,500 computer with a Q9550 proccessor with nehalem this close... OK OK I know I wanted to wait but I also didn't have all the money at the time. I will be using this computer for gaming, and video editing. This build will have 1 HD Radeon 4870 X2. Ok I read my previous posts, yeah... Well I might just build now then. :P Still would like some insight.
I'll post my specs later... currently still working on them.
1. The computer boots up, does a Power On Self Test (POST) to evaluate the condition of the hardware, then looks for an OS to boot. You don't need to tweak the BIOS (usually accessed by hitting delete as the PC is starting), but you can if you wanted to. You'll probably just want to put an OS CD in, install the OS, and worry about the BIOS later.
2. It will be about the same speed IIRC, but you'd need a third drive for backups if you wanted to go with RAID0. RAID guarantees 100% data loss if it fails without backups.
3. I would say $2500 is a high with Nehalem this close, but I'd also say it's a little high no matter what time of the year it is. Keep in mind that with Nehalem you'll need a new CPU, new mobo and new RAM (DDR3). You can keep your chip cheap with a dual core, and buy a <$150 motherboard, and 4GB of RAM for about $100. You'd be out about an additional $500 to upgrade those components for Nehalem, but it won't be viable until the mid-summer anyhow. The remainder of your components will move over to the new rig.
No downfalls, but it's completely and absolutely pointless. OCZ and G.SKILL are both good, but you can get support for your lifetime warranty with OCZ right here on Icrontic.
That's best looked up in Wikipedia. They are small but numerous. I hate to short you with an answer like that, but it would just be me copying what it had to say.
//EDIT: What I will say is that the P45 is a better value. Generally more overclockable, and no shortage of features.
Fans: Need suggestions, Probably need 6, 120MM Fans. One for the CPU heatsink (maybe 2 actually) 4 for the side door. Hell maybe 7. Need powerful ones for the cpu and maybe less powerful but quiet for the door on the case.
Sound Card: Suggestions? Auzentech?
Fan Controller: ??? What should I go for.
Optical: DVD-ROM SAMSUNG Drive with lightscribe
Thermal Paste: ??? What should I use, OCZ Freeze? Or any better?
Mouse: G9, and Steel series mouse pad.
Vista Ultimate OEM. Questions
1. What fan controller should I get?
2. Thermal Paste? Which?
3. What Sound card should I get?
4. If I want to go cross fire I should go with the rampage formula but it has 65nm process. But if I want a single setup the maximus should shine supreme with its 45nm process correct? It should be the better mobo for a single GPU solution?
I am going a single GPU solution because usually the benefits of multiple GPU's are minimal especially with going AIR and overclocking its still a bottleneck on one card. Unless your phase changing I would think its a bottle neck even with 2 cards let alone one.
5. If I lap my true, CPU, good thermal paste, good tight pressure, I should get 3.6 GHZ on air?
I am going to skip Nehalem and wait for a die shrink or the next architecture.
Fan controllers, depends on how many fans and what you want it to look like. There are the Lamptron fan controllers that are 5 switch and the Lian-Li switches(have cool covers) are pretty sweet looking. The Lian-Li are just plane switches you have to do the wiring.
Thermal paste...something good. Arctic Silver 5.
Sound card Asus Xonar, Auzentech is built almost identical but the support isn't the same and Xonar's are nice I want one.
The mobo....eh whatever won't make to much of a difference.
3.6 is not an issue I am actually running 3.7GHz on air and that just pushed my vCore a few thousandths out of spec.
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I also hear they run hotter than the Q9450
So the purpose of anyone buying those xtreme ones, are because of the unlocked multiplier? And I am guessing they are pretty much ment to be water cooled. I heard they run hot.
is that the fastest currently out there?
I am saying this because of Nehalem processor coming out soon, so it would be foolish to buy this rig no?
True but by the time Nehalem hits, DDR 3 Prices and gtx 280 prices should come down quite a bit. Plus new hardware might come out like sound cards, cases, all that good stuff.
I don't know, I think I will just wait for now.
Yes, but then DDR4 will be right around the corner and the GTX 380 will be released, and Intel's new chipset will be the new bad boy on the block, and the new motherboards will have SATA 6.0Gbps, and........................................................................................
But still if nehalem becomes the new standard for atleast 2 years it would be best to wait, since it is a new socket on the mobo.
The only advice I have for you is regardless of what chip or board, make sure your bus is designed for what you want to do.
I don't mind spending $400 on a really nice case since I already measured it fits well within my budget.
I am struggling with Cosmos S, Stacker 832, Silverstone TJ07... but I am not sure which is outstanding for air flow. Maybe not any of these, the cosmos biometric power button doesn't appeal to me. And the width of Stacker 832 isn't big enough for most heatsinks.
Yeah I wasn't sure if you need like 4 fans blowing at the mobo like the stacker 832 I mean I think it helps but some of these cases like the TJ07 use the separate compartment cooling type of system.
I like the look of the TJ07 looks like a solid case.
So I need to know what resolution would a 42" screen have?
1. Obviously I have never built a computer, so I don't know the first thing that would happen when you turn on the computer... It goes to BIOS on the mobo right? And how do I configure BIOS, any guides?
2. If I ran some Seagates say 500GB (or less storage) 32MB Cache 7200 RPM in raid 0 (it would be cheaper) Probably same price as a velociraptor. Would that be the same performance if not better than slapping my operating system and games on a 10k velociraptor (no raid) and use a seagate for storage? Or will it matter at all.
3. Would it be stupid to build a 2,500 computer with a Q9550 proccessor with nehalem this close... OK OK I know I wanted to wait but I also didn't have all the money at the time. I will be using this computer for gaming, and video editing. This build will have 1 HD Radeon 4870 X2. Ok I read my previous posts, yeah... Well I might just build now then. :P Still would like some insight.
I'll post my specs later... currently still working on them.
Thanks
2. It will be about the same speed IIRC, but you'd need a third drive for backups if you wanted to go with RAID0. RAID guarantees 100% data loss if it fails without backups.
3. I would say $2500 is a high with Nehalem this close, but I'd also say it's a little high no matter what time of the year it is. Keep in mind that with Nehalem you'll need a new CPU, new mobo and new RAM (DDR3). You can keep your chip cheap with a dual core, and buy a <$150 motherboard, and 4GB of RAM for about $100. You'd be out about an additional $500 to upgrade those components for Nehalem, but it won't be viable until the mid-summer anyhow. The remainder of your components will move over to the new rig.
Yeah I can just skip Nehalem, I am sure my computer will last fine for about 2 years then whatever die shrink they have then I will go with it.
Also DDR3 is still expensive although much cheaper but I bet in 2 years... it will be about same prices as DDR2 maybe a bit more.
Now as for DDR2 ram what should I look for gaming and media computer? The amount and speed... ect. Heres the mobo and processor I am going to use...
Mobo: ASUS Rampage Formula Intel X48
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131284
Proc: Q9550
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041&Tpk=Q9550
And whats some good brands of ram I should go for.. I have OCZ right now but G skill seems to be popular.
//EDIT: What I will say is that the P45 is a better value. Generally more overclockable, and no shortage of features.
Here is the computer I am planning to build, I haven't ordered the parts yet. My budget is $2,500.
Case: HAF 932 Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...119160&Tpk=HAF
Mobo: Maximus II Formula
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...20II%20Formula
CPU: Q9550 (I am planning to lap this, so I have the grits already ect)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115041
Heatsink: TRUE Ultra-120 Extreme (Also lapping this)
Video Card: 4870 X2 (not sure which brand yet, suggestions?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814103066
RAM: 8GB G. Skill 1066 DDR2 RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
Will these modules even work in my Mobo? I downloaded my manual and it only suggests 4GB...
Power Supply: Antec 850Watt PSU or the 750Watt Corsair PSU?
Antec: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371009
Corsair: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006
Hard Drives: 2x 150GB Velociraptors in raid 0 for operating systems and programs... and a 750 GB Seagate for storage.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136296
Fans: Need suggestions, Probably need 6, 120MM Fans. One for the CPU heatsink (maybe 2 actually) 4 for the side door. Hell maybe 7. Need powerful ones for the cpu and maybe less powerful but quiet for the door on the case.
Sound Card: Suggestions? Auzentech?
Fan Controller: ??? What should I go for.
Optical: DVD-ROM SAMSUNG Drive with lightscribe
Thermal Paste: ??? What should I use, OCZ Freeze? Or any better?
Mouse: G9, and Steel series mouse pad.
Vista Ultimate OEM.
Questions
1. What fan controller should I get?
2. Thermal Paste? Which?
3. What Sound card should I get?
4. If I want to go cross fire I should go with the rampage formula but it has 65nm process. But if I want a single setup the maximus should shine supreme with its 45nm process correct? It should be the better mobo for a single GPU solution?
I am going a single GPU solution because usually the benefits of multiple GPU's are minimal especially with going AIR and overclocking its still a bottleneck on one card. Unless your phase changing I would think its a bottle neck even with 2 cards let alone one.
5. If I lap my true, CPU, good thermal paste, good tight pressure, I should get 3.6 GHZ on air?
I am going to skip Nehalem and wait for a die shrink or the next architecture.
I want this PC to last a good 2.5 years.
Thanks, Appreciate any feedback and replies.
Fan controllers, depends on how many fans and what you want it to look like. There are the Lamptron fan controllers that are 5 switch and the Lian-Li switches(have cool covers) are pretty sweet looking. The Lian-Li are just plane switches you have to do the wiring.
Thermal paste...something good. Arctic Silver 5.
Sound card Asus Xonar, Auzentech is built almost identical but the support isn't the same and Xonar's are nice I want one.
The mobo....eh whatever won't make to much of a difference.
3.6 is not an issue I am actually running 3.7GHz on air and that just pushed my vCore a few thousandths out of spec.
K why wouldn't I lap the true? The base isn't smooth.