Yep, Genome's right here. You don't just buy a unit for watercooling. You typically have to buy a water cooler, radiator, tubing, pump, resovoir (optional), and fans to cool your radiator.
After reading this 4 page thread, I decided to go for the 80a (gold one.) I'm planning on getting it actively cooled with a 80-120mm fan+bracket.
I have a problem, though. My case is designed with 3x 80mm front fans, 2x80mm rear exhaust below the psu, and 1x 92mm rear exhaust above the psu.
I don't have a side fan hole (clear-case side,) and I'm too lazy to figure out the proper dimensions for drilling.
Question is: If I were to get the 80a actively cooled, will the GlobalWin CAF12 do much, considering my airflow setup? The fan will sit close to my full-tower case's side, so will this cause any problems?
Provided that I choose a different fan bracket, and given that I have a few 80mm Tornado's sitting around, should I use these instead of 92mm fans?
[edit] Also, will the 80a be too big to add any ramsinks? If not, which ramsinks should I get?
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
The fan bracket will still work fine, even though it's fairly close to the side of the case. It may not work as well as it could otherwise, but it'll work just fine nonetheless.
RAMsinks are basically useless. RAM doesn't dissipate enough heat to require them. The best way to cool RAM is to use a fan bracket/blowhole (which you'll be using anyhow) and not bother with RAMsinks.
So, should I go ahead and google for 92mm fans, or should I go with my 80mm Tornado spares? Will it make any difference? I know that most 92mm have larger deadspots, and seeing how I don't have an efficient side-case fan, will it make any difference if I use 80mm?
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
i used to think that ramsinks do nothing but on video card ram i have seen reviews where it does lower the temperature i dont remember buy how much but if you had them in combination with a fan blowing on all of it i am sure it be cooler than not having them
disipation area isnt necessarilly everything i see in the picture that the new one has thinner longer fins which i think should help i would like to see a review of both with the same fan on the same video card.
i would rather get the new one it be easier cause it was designed with a spot to mount the fan and you dont have to worry about the bracket when you try and remove other pci cards that are blocked because the bracket is screwed over them.
i havent really though about how far the fan comes down and if thats gona interfear with anything.
i do like the idea of the arctic cooling vga silencer i would like to see a review of both the 80c-hp with the fan and the vga silencer is the same exact idea i have had since my geforce 2 pro take that hot air from the heatsink and put it outside the case through a pci slot so that hot air being created by the video card isnt adding to the heat in the rest of the case. so in that respect you wont have the video card adding as much heat to the rest of everything else in your case. and its pretty quiet in its low fan mode which is a big plus in my book.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
ryan, I don't care what the reviews say. They don't do anything. You realize that most reviews of heatsinks, power supplies, cases, etc. don't provide any valid information about the cooling ability of whatever they review, right?
The fact of the matter is that no ram (except possibly DDR2, and I'm not sure about that... I'll have to look up the heat dissipation specs) dissipates anywhere near enough heat to be heatsinked. Period. Why do reviews say otherwise? Two reasons:
1. Because, by and large, the people doing the reviews couldn't do a scientific analysis of anything if their lives depended on it.
2. Because said reviewers don't know how to properly cool a computer, hence the apparent increase in overclockability with the use of RAMsinks.
Ryan, in terms of customization, the older model beats the newer model. True, there is a mounting spot for the fan, but, from pictures that I've seen, the fans have to be mounted a certain way (slide-in?.) With a bracket, I can modify my cooling setup to suit my needs.
well my assumption that some ram for instance the ram on the radeon 9800 pro puts off too much heat is that it can be overclocked higher with better cooling than it could without any type of cooling active or passive.
so yes the reviewers can be lying, have improperlly cooled computers
i dont believe that normal ram for the computer needs cooling but i was giving them the benefit of the doubt being that memory on video cards doesn't have to stick to the same standards that the ram for a motherboard does to be compliant and standard while on video cards the whole video card architecture is designed around what memory can be put on it.
and giving the fierce competition all the video card companies are cheating and getting caught, nvidia comes out with something that runs too hot and needs excessivelly loud cooling, ati comes out with crap drivers fixes them later.
so to me it didnt seem to far of an exageration that ram was the next thing to need cooling.
oh i was under the impression that the radeon 9800 pro 256mb wasnt ddr 2 and it was just a typo.
i havent seen any "mods" for the older one
that bracket wasnt made for the 80a-hp it was made for the 3000 and 6000 series cpu heatsinks and that is why it is a kit and usually come bundled with it zalman makes no mention of this being used with there 80-a but they do sell the bracket seperatlly to be used for whatever you want.
so if that is what you are talking about as far as customization i dont see how the old has any more than the new.
i dont bother with ram sinks either and the heat spreader i laugh at.
well you can see the dead spots for yourself they should just be as large as the motor.
if your worried abuot dead spots get one of the tmd fans
a larger fan is usually quieter because it doesnt need to spin as fast to put out as much cfm's and therefore it doesnt create as much turbulance granted they do make fans that run crazy fast just to satasify people that dont care about sound and just want the most cfm's possible.
it all depends on your application and what you care about if you dont like to hear noise coming from your computer or if you dont care what it sounds like and you just want the best for the most overclockability.
but i assume with fans called tornado unless you run them at lower voltages you dont care about noise.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
RAM period doesn't dissipate much heat. You're talking something that in most cases (no pun intended) doesn't even have heatsinks, and it stays well below 50*C, even with minimal airflow. You're probably talking <1w/module, although I can't find the exact input power for Samsung's GDDR2.
Regardless, RAM doesn't need heatsinks. Like I said, GDDR2 may be an exception, but since I haven't had an opportunity to play with it, I don't know that for sure.
It's not an issue of people lying in their reviews... it's an issue of reviewers that don't know what they are doing. Take heatsink reviews, for example. How many reviews of heatsinks do you see where the heatsink is tested on an overclocked CPU? The results from that test are instantly totally invalid.
How many heatsink reviews do you see that are done with the heatsink installed in a case?
The results from those tests are totally invalid.
How many heatsink reviews do you see that test the heatsink on a CPU period? Those results are passable at best, but far from as accurate as I'd like.
The fact of the matter is that people don't know how to benchmark these things correctly. I have yet to see more than one or two good power supply reviews, and there are only a few sites that do good heatsink reviews. The vast majority of the reviews out there on power supplies, heatsinks, fans, waterblocks, radiators, etc. are absolutely worthless because none of the "objective" information they provide is valid.
RAMsinks do nothing, unless the user doesn't know how to properly cool a computer.
That whole "dead spot" thing is a fraud to an extent, too. The size of the dead spot varies with the distance from the fan. It's only an issue when a fan is mounted right on, or very near right on a heatsink. In applications such as that Zalman fan bracket, it's a non-issue.
Also, the Tornados won't fit on the Zalman fan bracket in most cases, because 38mm deep fans are too deep, unless you don't mind leaving the side of your computer off all the time.
GDDR2 has even lower voltage requirements than regular DDR, coming in at about 1.8v up to 667MHz (That's 1334MHz DDR).
But that said, DDR chips of any kind do not radiate enough heat to benefit from the increased surface space of memory sinks. That isn't to say they act as insulators, however the memory produces so little w/cm^2 of surface space that the temperature difference between sink and no sink can be measured in fractions of a degree. Not enough to make an impact on overclocking to a very large degree... 3-5MHz, and that can be attributed to margin of error.
i certainlly agree about the dead spot thing but i wasnt the one to bring it up
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
True. I was simply commenting on it because it was there. I simply wanted to make sure that anyone else that was reading the thread that may not know as much about it as you or I do don't misunderstand anything.
Here's a pic of my zm80c-hp/zm-op1 ...In an attempt to mount the op1 diagonally against mfg specs to get more air flow thru the fins ...it works.
please excuse the wire nest.
I went from 393/393 to 405/405 overclock and even increased my fsb to 229 stable and 2634mhz.
thanks ...and that fan does blow ...I get an average of 2900 rpm out of it and the one above it (rear case fan) is only garbage @ 2000rpm ...not sure what cfms are but the 15mm zalman blows harder for sure.
I think I will begin by replacing that case fan soon with a 4800rpm ys-tech adjustable fan.
I'm sorry to revive this thread but, if I were to use simguy's suggestion, mod the cooljag on to my video card, and paint it white somehow, wouldn't that repell heat hense making it cooler?
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
Ok, I was thinking about getting this product JUST for the fan along with the previously mentioned cooljag NOTE: I couldn't care less about the noise level
Now, my plan was to replace the cooljag's stock fan with the fan found on the Volcano 6. I realize i'll likely end up sacraficing 2 PCI slots but hey, that's the price you pay for one cool PC. Anyway, would this be ok? Opinions needed, honesty appreciated. Thanks.
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I have a problem, though. My case is designed with 3x 80mm front fans, 2x80mm rear exhaust below the psu, and 1x 92mm rear exhaust above the psu.
I don't have a side fan hole (clear-case side,) and I'm too lazy to figure out the proper dimensions for drilling.
Question is: If I were to get the 80a actively cooled, will the GlobalWin CAF12 do much, considering my airflow setup? The fan will sit close to my full-tower case's side, so will this cause any problems?
Provided that I choose a different fan bracket, and given that I have a few 80mm Tornado's sitting around, should I use these instead of 92mm fans?
[edit] Also, will the 80a be too big to add any ramsinks? If not, which ramsinks should I get?
RAMsinks are basically useless. RAM doesn't dissipate enough heat to require them. The best way to cool RAM is to use a fan bracket/blowhole (which you'll be using anyhow) and not bother with RAMsinks.
So, should I go ahead and google for 92mm fans, or should I go with my 80mm Tornado spares? Will it make any difference? I know that most 92mm have larger deadspots, and seeing how I don't have an efficient side-case fan, will it make any difference if I use 80mm?
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?DEPA=1&sumit=Go&description=FB123&searchdepa=1
disipation area isnt necessarilly everything i see in the picture that the new one has thinner longer fins which i think should help i would like to see a review of both with the same fan on the same video card.
i would rather get the new one it be easier cause it was designed with a spot to mount the fan and you dont have to worry about the bracket when you try and remove other pci cards that are blocked because the bracket is screwed over them.
i havent really though about how far the fan comes down and if thats gona interfear with anything.
i do like the idea of the arctic cooling vga silencer i would like to see a review of both the 80c-hp with the fan and the vga silencer is the same exact idea i have had since my geforce 2 pro take that hot air from the heatsink and put it outside the case through a pci slot so that hot air being created by the video card isnt adding to the heat in the rest of the case. so in that respect you wont have the video card adding as much heat to the rest of everything else in your case. and its pretty quiet in its low fan mode which is a big plus in my book.
The fact of the matter is that no ram (except possibly DDR2, and I'm not sure about that... I'll have to look up the heat dissipation specs) dissipates anywhere near enough heat to be heatsinked. Period. Why do reviews say otherwise? Two reasons:
1. Because, by and large, the people doing the reviews couldn't do a scientific analysis of anything if their lives depended on it.
2. Because said reviewers don't know how to properly cool a computer, hence the apparent increase in overclockability with the use of RAMsinks.
so yes the reviewers can be lying, have improperlly cooled computers
i dont believe that normal ram for the computer needs cooling but i was giving them the benefit of the doubt being that memory on video cards doesn't have to stick to the same standards that the ram for a motherboard does to be compliant and standard while on video cards the whole video card architecture is designed around what memory can be put on it.
and giving the fierce competition all the video card companies are cheating and getting caught, nvidia comes out with something that runs too hot and needs excessivelly loud cooling, ati comes out with crap drivers fixes them later.
so to me it didnt seem to far of an exageration that ram was the next thing to need cooling.
oh i was under the impression that the radeon 9800 pro 256mb wasnt ddr 2 and it was just a typo.
i havent seen any "mods" for the older one
that bracket wasnt made for the 80a-hp it was made for the 3000 and 6000 series cpu heatsinks and that is why it is a kit and usually come bundled with it zalman makes no mention of this being used with there 80-a but they do sell the bracket seperatlly to be used for whatever you want.
so if that is what you are talking about as far as customization i dont see how the old has any more than the new.
i dont bother with ram sinks either and the heat spreader i laugh at.
if your worried abuot dead spots get one of the tmd fans
a larger fan is usually quieter because it doesnt need to spin as fast to put out as much cfm's and therefore it doesnt create as much turbulance granted they do make fans that run crazy fast just to satasify people that dont care about sound and just want the most cfm's possible.
it all depends on your application and what you care about if you dont like to hear noise coming from your computer or if you dont care what it sounds like and you just want the best for the most overclockability.
but i assume with fans called tornado unless you run them at lower voltages you dont care about noise.
Regardless, RAM doesn't need heatsinks. Like I said, GDDR2 may be an exception, but since I haven't had an opportunity to play with it, I don't know that for sure.
It's not an issue of people lying in their reviews... it's an issue of reviewers that don't know what they are doing. Take heatsink reviews, for example. How many reviews of heatsinks do you see where the heatsink is tested on an overclocked CPU? The results from that test are instantly totally invalid.
How many heatsink reviews do you see that are done with the heatsink installed in a case?
The results from those tests are totally invalid.
How many heatsink reviews do you see that test the heatsink on a CPU period? Those results are passable at best, but far from as accurate as I'd like.
The fact of the matter is that people don't know how to benchmark these things correctly. I have yet to see more than one or two good power supply reviews, and there are only a few sites that do good heatsink reviews. The vast majority of the reviews out there on power supplies, heatsinks, fans, waterblocks, radiators, etc. are absolutely worthless because none of the "objective" information they provide is valid.
RAMsinks do nothing, unless the user doesn't know how to properly cool a computer.
That whole "dead spot" thing is a fraud to an extent, too. The size of the dead spot varies with the distance from the fan. It's only an issue when a fan is mounted right on, or very near right on a heatsink. In applications such as that Zalman fan bracket, it's a non-issue.
Also, the Tornados won't fit on the Zalman fan bracket in most cases, because 38mm deep fans are too deep, unless you don't mind leaving the side of your computer off all the time.
But that said, DDR chips of any kind do not radiate enough heat to benefit from the increased surface space of memory sinks. That isn't to say they act as insulators, however the memory produces so little w/cm^2 of surface space that the temperature difference between sink and no sink can be measured in fractions of a degree. Not enough to make an impact on overclocking to a very large degree... 3-5MHz, and that can be attributed to margin of error.
please excuse the wire nest.
I went from 393/393 to 405/405 overclock and even increased my fsb to 229 stable and 2634mhz.
I think I will begin by replacing that case fan soon with a 4800rpm ys-tech adjustable fan.
i dont believe it but i didnt read the whole thread either
http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=7508&highlight=anodize
Now, my plan was to replace the cooljag's stock fan with the fan found on the Volcano 6. I realize i'll likely end up sacraficing 2 PCI slots but hey, that's the price you pay for one cool PC. Anyway, would this be ok? Opinions needed, honesty appreciated. Thanks.