this PC is for someone who is new to PCs so no overclocking or special functioning. so far the budget is 800 bucks. this includes an entire PC (monitor, mouse/keyboard...no printer)
For that money... probably an NF7-S, AXP 2600+ or 2800+ Barton, 2x512MB Corasair XMS3200-LL, SLK800 & ThermalTake SmartFan II, along with the rest of the setup, minus the sound-card.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
Geeky1 had this to say Simguy, when did they start disabling SMP in the Celerons?
I have a buddy with a BP6, and the basic consensus is only the PPGA Celerons are SMP-capable, though Intel says otherwise. They "fixed the error" in the FC-PGA Celerons.
The BP6 doesn't support dual Tualatins yet, but the P2B-DS does after a couple hacks (see http://tipperlinne.com/p2bmod)
Geeky1 had this to say Simguy, when did they start disabling SMP in the Celerons?
I have a buddy with a BP6, and the basic consensus is only the PPGA Celerons are SMP-capable, though Intel says otherwise. They "fixed the error" in the FC-PGA Celerons.
The BP6 doesn't support dual Tualatins yet, but the P2B-DS does after a couple hacks (see http://tipperlinne.com/p2bmod)
-drasnor
I remember the day's of my BP6 and dual PPGA Celeron 533's, tear-assing it up in Quake 3 with a GeForce 256 SDR on Win2K.
Humm...
Geeky, only the PPGA Celeron's (300 MHz to 533 Mhz) can be used in SMP mode.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
What speed did they make the ppga celerons up to? 533? (I think that's what it was)
Geeky1 had this to say Eww. Well, there goes my hopes for upgrading my print server to dual celerons. 533MHz x2. Yuck.
That's before the extreme overclocking. Those are 66MHz FSB processors, and the BP6 is jumper-selectable up to 133MHz.
-drasnor
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
I wouldn't buy a BP6. I've got a board I'd put them in already- a MSI Pro 266TD Master-LR, which is a Via Pro266A board. It has no voltage adjustments, so overclocking is somewhat limited at best.
These are things to look for when getting memory:
1. Check what kind is needed for the card (DDR seems to be the most popular today..but check the number after the name ex. DDR 400)
2.Check CAS latency
best way to go is CAS 2.5 or CAS 2 (CAS 2 is better performing)
3. Go name brand.
make sure the company is a known company(I've dealt with unknown memory companies with bad results)
0
Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
Well, without knowing what state you're in, here it is without tax or shipping:
Cables - Round
Antec Cobra A26 Round 133 ATA Cable Model 77226 Retail
Specifications:
40-pin 80-conductor cable, ATA133/100/66/33 compliant for high speed data transfer
Highly flexible 26" round cable (16" + 10") with two device connections, one motherboard connector.
Wrapped with nylon mesh plastic tubing for maximum air flow improvement.
Shielded with aluminum foil and braided silver mesh with ground, for maximum shielding.
N82E16812105001 $12.00 $24.00
Antec Cobra F16 Round FDD Cable Model 77216 Retail
Specifications:
Highly flexible 16" round cable with one device connector, one motherboard connector
Wrapped with nylon mesh tubing for maximum air flow improvement
N82E16812105003 $7.00
Cases (Computer Cases, ATX Form)
Antec Performance Series II Mid Tower Case With 350W Power Supply,Model:SX835II,Retail.
Specification:
Case Type:Mid-Tower
Color: White
Material: 1.0 SECC
Drive Bays: 3x5.25'',5x3.5''
Expansion Slot: 7
Front Ports: USBx2,IEEE1394 x1
Power Supply: 350W(SL350)SmartPower
Cooling System: 80mm Fan Rear(Standard) x2,Front(Optional) x2,Sidepanel(Optional) x1
Mainboard Compatibility: Standard ATX
Dimensions: 20.6''x8.1''x18.6''(440x206x472mm)
Special Features: Removable Side Panels and Cages for 3.5'' drives.
N82E16811129119 $82.00
Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
Thermaltake Highest Performance SMART and SILENT Volcano 9 CPU Cooler,Application for Socket A/370.
Specification:
Compatibility: Socket A/370
Dimensions: Heat sink:80x80x25 mm, Fan:80x80x77.3 mm
Bearing Type: Two Ball Bearing
Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300~4800
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 20.55~75.7
Max Pressure: 1.45~8.43 mmH2O
Heat Sink Material: Copper
Rated Voltage: 12 V DC
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 17~48
N82E16835106017 $21.99
$21.99
Thermaltake Smart Case fan II With "CoolMod",Variable Fan Speed Controlled by Temperature Sensor.
Specification:
Compatibility: Case
Dimensions: 80x80x25(mm)
Bearing Type: 2 Ball Bearing
Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300/4800
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 20.55/75.7
Max Pressure: 1.45/8.43 mm H2O
Heat Sink Material: N/A
Rated Voltage: 12V DC
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 17/48
N82E16835999113 $9.20
$9.35 @1pc
$9.3 ea.@2+
$9.2 ea.@5+
$9 ea.@10+ $46.00
Floppy Drives
SAMSUNG SFD321B/LEB 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, OEM Driver Only
Specifications:
Capacity: 1.44MB
Average Access Time: not specified
Interface: 34 Pin Standard Floppy Connector
Form: 3.5 inch
Media Type: All Standard 1.44MB & 720KB 3.5 Floppy Diskettes
Features: Easy to Install, Just Plug & Play, For IBM5 & 100% Compatible Computers
Remark: OEM 1 Year Warranty more info>
N82E16821103202 $5.59
Keyboards
Logitech Deluxe (Classic) Keyboard PS2 104keys --OEM
Specifications:
Interface: PS2
Number Of Keys: 104 keys
Wireless Technology: N/A
Palm Rest: detachable
Design Style: standard
Mouse included: N/A
N82E16823126134 $7.00
Motherboards - AMD
Albatron nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "KX18D PRO" Retail
Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon/Athlon XP/Duron/Barton Processor(Socket A)
Chipset: nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP, Winbond W83627HF(I/O Chip)
FSB: 200/266/333/400MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM support DDR400/333/266/200 up to 3GB(Single Channel), up to 2GB(Dual Channel)
IDE: 2x ATA133 channels, up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 3.0 4X/8X, 6x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,1xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 2),1xGAME and Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6 Channel Audio Codec
Onboard LAN: LAN PHY ICS1893AF 10/100Mbps Ethernet
Form Factor: ATX
N82E16813170113 $59.00
Mouse
Logitech MX310 Optical Mouse USB/PS2 --Retail
Specifications:
Interface: USB/PS2
Number Of Buttons: 6x Buttons + 1x Wheel
Optical/Ball: Optical/800dpi
Wireless Technology: N/A
Features: Logitech MX Optical Engine, Zip back and forth between open documents with the handy Quick Switch button, Use two convenient buttons to navigate forward and back in your web browser, Easily scroll through long documents, without having to move your mouse an inch
N82E16826104136 $28.00
Software - Operating Systems
**This item is NOT REFUNDABLE, exchange for same exact item only!!**
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Service Pack SP1a - OEM Designed exclusively for home computing. From digital photos, music, and video to building a home network, Windows XP Home Edition brings you into the digital age with ease. Built on the solid foundation of Windows 2000, Windows XP Home Edition also sets the new standard in efficient and dependable computing.
*Must be Purchased with Hardware!!*
N82E16837102141 $91.00
Speakers
Logitech Z-340 2.1 Speakers Retail
Specifications:
Configuration: 2.1
Power Output: 33 watts RMS(Satellite speaker power output:6.5 watts RMS per channel;Subwoofer power output:20 watts RMS)
Frequency Response: 35Hz -20kHz
Signal to noise ratio: >85dB
Remote: N/A
Features: Innovative subwoofer, Stylish satellites stand on desk or mount on wall, Satellite speakers provide smooth mid and high frequencies, Dual chamber subwoofer plays louder and goes lower for unbelievable bass
N82E16836121102 $43.00
Video Cards
SAPPHIRE RADEON 9500PRO, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, BULK
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9500PRO/275MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/540MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video)+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
Cable/Accessories: VGA via DVI Adapter, 2 Cables, Driver CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
N82E16814102258 $178.00
Subtotal » $957.58
NOTES
The Antec case I chose is actually BETTER than the larger one SimGuy posted. It's closer to the one I have, which is the SX1240. The Advantage the 1240 and 835 have is that they have a third intake fan in the hard drive cage (the top hard drive cage, in the case of the 1240), so the ENTIRE motherboard is getting more-or-less direct airflow from the intake fans. With the SX1040/1080 etc., the lack of the third fan means that it does not cool as well as the 835/1240.
Also note that the 350w PS in that case is excellent. It's AMD approved, and it's a great PS. I've had a 2500+ to 2.37GHz on one of the Antec SL350 PSes before, and it would've gone higher, but it was motherboard limited. That PS is more than adequate for all but the most loaded systems. Even my dually (2 2500s, 4 7200RPM HDDs, R9700 Pro, 1GB DDR, 8 case fans, etc.) will run off of a 400w Antec PS (although I use a 550w TrueControl in it for daily use; the 400w is a backup unit).
If you can get the regular SmartFan2 as a case fan, do it. The difference is that the CoolMod is ~$0.75 more, and has LEDs on it. The LEDs are unnecessary, so I'd save the money. Regardless, the SF2 is THE BEST 80x25mm fan on the market, period. Set up all 5 with the thermal control feature, and do the same with the one on the CPU heatsink, and your friend will have a quiet system with a hell of a lot of cooling power should he ever need it.
The Volcano 9+ is a decent heatsink. It is NOT in the same league as Thermalright's SLKs, but it's a lot cheaper, and it does a fine job. I've run 1.4GHz Athlon Thunderbirds on it, and it keeps them below 45*C at all times. And the 1.4 T-Birds run hotter than any other AMD chip ever, except maybe the 2100+ Palomino and 2200+ TBred A (I've run the V9+ on a 2200+ TBred A, too, btw, and it's just as good on there).
I consider rounded cables a necessity for today's systems. I use them in ALL the systems I build and recommend to people, because they do have an impact on temperatures, and are very inexpensive.
Comments
doesnt need a modem, just a network card.
<i>Bzzzzt.</i> That does not compute. <i>Bzzzzt.</i>
Antec TruePower 400W PSU Included With Chassis
ABIT IS7, I865PE, AGP8x, SATA, Audio, LAN, 2xDDR400, Socket 478, ATX
Intel Pentium 4 2600C, 800 MHz FSB, 512 KB L2, Socket 478, Retail
Retail Intel Heatsink & Fan Cooling Unit
256 MB PC3200 Corsair Value Select, CAS2.5
256 MB PC3200 Corsair Value Select, CAS2.5
Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro, 128 MB DDR, AGP8x, Bulk OEM
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 2 PCI, OEM
Onboard Intel PHY 10/100 Network Interface Jack
Hard Disk Provided By User
Lite-On 16x DVD-ROM Drive, Black, OEM
Lite-On 52x32x52 CD-ReWriter Drive, Black, OEM
Samsung 3.5" Floppy Drive, Black, OEM
NEC/Mitsubishi DiamondPro 930SB 19" Aperture Grille CRT, 0.24ag, Black
The bad news? $1,073.00 USD in total (no taxes, shipping, special prices, etc.) All parts priced from NewEgg.com
I'm sure we could find an SLK800 & TT-SF2 that comes in under $78.00 USD, as that would eliminate the cost varience of the sound-card.
some good onboard sound will be enough. this is a PC for a computer newbie.
I have a buddy with a BP6, and the basic consensus is only the PPGA Celerons are SMP-capable, though Intel says otherwise. They "fixed the error" in the FC-PGA Celerons.
The BP6 doesn't support dual Tualatins yet, but the P2B-DS does after a couple hacks (see http://tipperlinne.com/p2bmod)
-drasnor
I remember the day's of my BP6 and dual PPGA Celeron 533's, tear-assing it up in Quake 3 with a GeForce 256 SDR on Win2K.
Humm...
Geeky, only the PPGA Celeron's (300 MHz to 533 Mhz) can be used in SMP mode.
PPGA, Socket 370 Celeron A's (128 KB L2), code name Mendocino, were available at 300, 333, 366, 400, 433, 466, 500 and 533 MHz.
Only MMX. No SSE.
That's before the extreme overclocking. Those are 66MHz FSB processors, and the BP6 is jumper-selectable up to 133MHz.
-drasnor
1. Check what kind is needed for the card (DDR seems to be the most popular today..but check the number after the name ex. DDR 400)
2.Check CAS latency
best way to go is CAS 2.5 or CAS 2 (CAS 2 is better performing)
3. Go name brand.
make sure the company is a known company(I've dealt with unknown memory companies with bad results)
Cables - Round
Antec Cobra A26 Round 133 ATA Cable Model 77226 Retail
Specifications:
40-pin 80-conductor cable, ATA133/100/66/33 compliant for high speed data transfer
Highly flexible 26" round cable (16" + 10") with two device connections, one motherboard connector.
Wrapped with nylon mesh plastic tubing for maximum air flow improvement.
Shielded with aluminum foil and braided silver mesh with ground, for maximum shielding.
N82E16812105001 $12.00
$24.00
Antec Cobra F16 Round FDD Cable Model 77216 Retail
Specifications:
Highly flexible 16" round cable with one device connector, one motherboard connector
Wrapped with nylon mesh tubing for maximum air flow improvement
N82E16812105003 $7.00
Cases (Computer Cases, ATX Form)
Antec Performance Series II Mid Tower Case With 350W Power Supply,Model:SX835II,Retail.
Specification:
Case Type:Mid-Tower
Color: White
Material: 1.0 SECC
Drive Bays: 3x5.25'',5x3.5''
Expansion Slot: 7
Front Ports: USBx2,IEEE1394 x1
Power Supply: 350W(SL350)SmartPower
Cooling System: 80mm Fan Rear(Standard) x2,Front(Optional) x2,Sidepanel(Optional) x1
Mainboard Compatibility: Standard ATX
Dimensions: 20.6''x8.1''x18.6''(440x206x472mm)
Special Features: Removable Side Panels and Cages for 3.5'' drives.
N82E16811129119 $82.00
Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
Thermaltake Highest Performance SMART and SILENT Volcano 9 CPU Cooler,Application for Socket A/370.
Specification:
Compatibility: Socket A/370
Dimensions: Heat sink:80x80x25 mm, Fan:80x80x77.3 mm
Bearing Type: Two Ball Bearing
Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300~4800
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 20.55~75.7
Max Pressure: 1.45~8.43 mmH2O
Heat Sink Material: Copper
Rated Voltage: 12 V DC
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 17~48
N82E16835106017 $21.99
$21.99
Thermaltake Smart Case fan II With "CoolMod",Variable Fan Speed Controlled by Temperature Sensor.
Specification:
Compatibility: Case
Dimensions: 80x80x25(mm)
Bearing Type: 2 Ball Bearing
Nominal Speed(RPM): 1300/4800
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 20.55/75.7
Max Pressure: 1.45/8.43 mm H2O
Heat Sink Material: N/A
Rated Voltage: 12V DC
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 17/48
N82E16835999113 $9.20
$9.35 @1pc
$9.3 ea.@2+
$9.2 ea.@5+
$9 ea.@10+
$46.00
Floppy Drives
SAMSUNG SFD321B/LEB 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, OEM Driver Only
Specifications:
Capacity: 1.44MB
Average Access Time: not specified
Interface: 34 Pin Standard Floppy Connector
Form: 3.5 inch
Media Type: All Standard 1.44MB & 720KB 3.5 Floppy Diskettes
Features: Easy to Install, Just Plug & Play, For IBM5 & 100% Compatible Computers
Remark: OEM 1 Year Warranty more info>
N82E16821103202 $5.59
Keyboards
Logitech Deluxe (Classic) Keyboard PS2 104keys --OEM
Specifications:
Interface: PS2
Number Of Keys: 104 keys
Wireless Technology: N/A
Palm Rest: detachable
Design Style: standard
Mouse included: N/A
N82E16823126134 $7.00
Memory (System Memory)
SimpleTech 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-2700 -OEM
Specification
Manufacturer: SimpleTech
Speed: DDR333(PC2700)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2.5
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 2.7GB/s
Organization: 64M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime
N82E16820150316 $67.00
Monitors - CRT
Special!
AOC 9GLR (Beige) 19" CRT Monitor Retail
CRT Type: 19" (18" viewable), FST CRT
Dot Pitch: 0.21mm(h) mask dot pitch
Max / Optimal resolution: 1600x1200 @ 75Hz / 1280x1024
Frequency / Bandwidth:Horizontal: 30K~95KHz / 200MHz
Dimensions & Weight: 17.6"x17.2"x17.9" (WxHxD), 40lbs.
N82E16824160107 $145.00
Motherboards - AMD
Albatron nForce2 Ultra 400 Motherboard for AMD Processors, Model "KX18D PRO" Retail
Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon/Athlon XP/Duron/Barton Processor(Socket A)
Chipset: nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP, Winbond W83627HF(I/O Chip)
FSB: 200/266/333/400MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM support DDR400/333/266/200 up to 3GB(Single Channel), up to 2GB(Dual Channel)
IDE: 2x ATA133 channels, up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 3.0 4X/8X, 6x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,1xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 2),1xGAME and Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6 Channel Audio Codec
Onboard LAN: LAN PHY ICS1893AF 10/100Mbps Ethernet
Form Factor: ATX
N82E16813170113 $59.00
Mouse
Logitech MX310 Optical Mouse USB/PS2 --Retail
Specifications:
Interface: USB/PS2
Number Of Buttons: 6x Buttons + 1x Wheel
Optical/Ball: Optical/800dpi
Wireless Technology: N/A
Features: Logitech MX Optical Engine, Zip back and forth between open documents with the handy Quick Switch button, Use two convenient buttons to navigate forward and back in your web browser, Easily scroll through long documents, without having to move your mouse an inch
N82E16826104136 $28.00
Processors
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - OEM
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)
N82E16819103378 $86.00
Software - Operating Systems
**This item is NOT REFUNDABLE, exchange for same exact item only!!**
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with Service Pack SP1a - OEM Designed exclusively for home computing. From digital photos, music, and video to building a home network, Windows XP Home Edition brings you into the digital age with ease. Built on the solid foundation of Windows 2000, Windows XP Home Edition also sets the new standard in efficient and dependable computing.
*Must be Purchased with Hardware!!*
N82E16837102141 $91.00
Speakers
Logitech Z-340 2.1 Speakers Retail
Specifications:
Configuration: 2.1
Power Output: 33 watts RMS(Satellite speaker power output:6.5 watts RMS per channel;Subwoofer power output:20 watts RMS)
Frequency Response: 35Hz -20kHz
Signal to noise ratio: >85dB
Remote: N/A
Features: Innovative subwoofer, Stylish satellites stand on desk or mount on wall, Satellite speakers provide smooth mid and high frequencies, Dual chamber subwoofer plays louder and goes lower for unbelievable bass
N82E16836121102 $43.00
Video Cards
SAPPHIRE RADEON 9500PRO, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, BULK
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9500PRO/275MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/540MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video)+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
Cable/Accessories: VGA via DVI Adapter, 2 Cables, Driver CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
N82E16814102258 $178.00
Subtotal » $957.58
NOTES
The Antec case I chose is actually BETTER than the larger one SimGuy posted. It's closer to the one I have, which is the SX1240. The Advantage the 1240 and 835 have is that they have a third intake fan in the hard drive cage (the top hard drive cage, in the case of the 1240), so the ENTIRE motherboard is getting more-or-less direct airflow from the intake fans. With the SX1040/1080 etc., the lack of the third fan means that it does not cool as well as the 835/1240.
Also note that the 350w PS in that case is excellent. It's AMD approved, and it's a great PS. I've had a 2500+ to 2.37GHz on one of the Antec SL350 PSes before, and it would've gone higher, but it was motherboard limited. That PS is more than adequate for all but the most loaded systems. Even my dually (2 2500s, 4 7200RPM HDDs, R9700 Pro, 1GB DDR, 8 case fans, etc.) will run off of a 400w Antec PS (although I use a 550w TrueControl in it for daily use; the 400w is a backup unit).
If you can get the regular SmartFan2 as a case fan, do it. The difference is that the CoolMod is ~$0.75 more, and has LEDs on it. The LEDs are unnecessary, so I'd save the money. Regardless, the SF2 is THE BEST 80x25mm fan on the market, period. Set up all 5 with the thermal control feature, and do the same with the one on the CPU heatsink, and your friend will have a quiet system with a hell of a lot of cooling power should he ever need it.
The Volcano 9+ is a decent heatsink. It is NOT in the same league as Thermalright's SLKs, but it's a lot cheaper, and it does a fine job. I've run 1.4GHz Athlon Thunderbirds on it, and it keeps them below 45*C at all times. And the 1.4 T-Birds run hotter than any other AMD chip ever, except maybe the 2100+ Palomino and 2200+ TBred A (I've run the V9+ on a 2200+ TBred A, too, btw, and it's just as good on there).
I consider rounded cables a necessity for today's systems. I use them in ALL the systems I build and recommend to people, because they do have an impact on temperatures, and are very inexpensive.