Home for SM21

GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 LifeAkron, PA Icrontian
edited January 2004 in Folding@Home
Well the frogs are creeping forward and we need all the folding power we can get
SM20 is up Its finaky but its up. We have all the parts now we gotta find a home for this bad boy!

I didnt wanna start this thread since I want to throw my name In the hat but its been 2 days since the parts have been counted for and no selction thread has been started! so lets get the selection going so we can get it together and folding to fend off those Damn frogs!


/me starts it off and throws my name in the hat!

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  • t1rhinot1rhino Toronto
    edited December 2003
    Someone needs to post the host requirements. :)
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    <b>Current Hopefuls:</b>
    <i>GnomeWizardd</i>
    <i>Bud</i>
    <i>Madmat</i>

    <b>RULES FOR BEING A VALID SMx CANDIDATE:</B>

    1) Team member must be in good standing and have shown dedication to Team Short-Media, former Team Icrontic, and the Folding@Home project for the long haul. Past participation and contributions are taken into account. <b>Please remember this now also includes keeping at least one machine other than the SMx rig folding for Team 93. You must be an active member to participate and continue participating.</b>

    2) The member must be able to provide SM21 with a safe and secure environment for an extended period of time - this means an indeterminate period.

    3) You must be knowledgeable in building computers and loading operating systems, and all that is entailed. You are at Short-Media.com, there is a wealth of knowledge, use it. In the event the rig should fail, the host is expected to make a good effort in trying to repair the rig and report to the team what is going on.

    4) Dedicated, "always-on" Internet connection 24/7, 56K and up, and a free port on an existing network (we don't normally supply routers/hubs/switches with the SMx rig). If the internet connection should fail, the host is expected to make good faith efforts to get back online as soon as is possible.

    5) The computer must run and as a result, "Fold" 24/7. (Yes, the Team is generous enough to allow you to go on vacation and turn it off.) Keep in mind that 24-hour operating will increase your electricity bill by up to a few dollars per month. The Team expects the host to make good faith efforts to keep the rig running as much as is possible.

    6) The computer shall fold for Team #93, under the user name of "SMx" exclusively unless it has been voted on to make it differently. The team can/will monitor the rigs output by way of statistics provided by Stanford, Statsman and the like.

    7) In the event the host can no longer host the SMx rig or he/she is not able to run the rig for an extended period of time due to things like being called to duty in the armed forces for example, it is to be found a new host by normal host selection process.

    8) What does the host get out of this? The pride of being able to host a SMx Folding rig, one of very few to earn this privilege. To be able to help Team Short-Media be the best team and the F@H project find cures.

    9) Due to recent issues concerning the longevity of SMx boxes, the machine currently being considered, and all successors thereof will be shipped to its host completely assembled. All parts destined for this machine, and future SMx machines will arrive to a pre-determined, upstanding member of the Short-Media folding team for assembly prior to the host receiving it.
    <b>This member is currently:</b> <i>Seth Kwitko/Mr. Kwitko/TD_Isles/TylerDurden</i>

    10) A legally binding contract must be signed before the host receives his/her SMx machine. The contract is to be considered carefully, and recognized as a document that holds the individual who signs it responsible to all clauses therein. The host of the SMx machine for which this contract is designed may not host the SMx machine without a valid signature.

    Disclaimer;
    - All Team-donated parts that go into a SMx donated Folding@Home computer are property of the Short-Media.com Folding@Home Team.
    - Short-Media.com, and/or its owner(s), and/or administrator(s), and/or moderator(s), and/or member(s), shall not be held responsible or liable for any losses incurred either directly, or indirectly as a result of hosting any SMx rig. The host selected shall bear full responsibility for said rig. By applying to be selected as a host, you acknowledge you understand, agree with, and will abide by these rules as set forth here and as may be amended in the future as required.
    -Hosts must provide contact information such as phone number and address in case an emergency contact needs to be made.

    NOTE; This entire project and the rules set forth above is/are based on TRUST. We, the team, trust that you, the host, will do all you can to keep the rig folding as much as is possible, in its name, for the Short-Media.com Folding Team. You, the host, trust, that we, Team Short-Media, support you in every way we can.

    So anyone that can meet the requirements posted above and would like to host such a machine, please enter your name in the 'hat' and a host will be picked in a week depending on the number of entries.

    Any other useful info like internet connection, hosting facilities, and experience would help the committee greatly in choosing a host for SM21.

    The time has come to add your name in the hat.
  • BudBud Chesterfield, Va
    edited December 2003
    Id like to throw my name in
  • BudBud Chesterfield, Va
    edited December 2003
    how do you guys decide who gets to host sm21
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    there is a voting commitee that will vote between whoever they think is the most suitable host.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    No one, and I mean no one, is getting SM21 until a signed contract is returned saying the host will keep it up or return it. We are serious. This is going to be a legal contract. If you guys cant keep the machine running, dont have the time or the dedication, or knowledge to keep an SMx machine running dont put your name in the hat.

    Nice copy and paste Thrax. Forgot to edit something from when it was previously posted.;)

    If anyone has any parts to donate, get in contact with TD/Seth/whatever you want to call him, cause he will be shipping the WHOLE computer (maybe minus the case) to the host. That is only after the contract has been returned signed and all. This is how it is going to happen from now on. The sooner he has a complete computer the sooner all this can happen.
  • GargGarg Purveyor of Lincoln Nightmares Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Of course, that's less cancer we're curing while we're waiting on the contract...
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    See addendums 9 and 10 to the SMx rules.
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited December 2003
    If your considering overseas members this time round I want to throw my name into the hat. If I am successful I could provide a case to reduce shipping costs.

    What are the specs of SM-21 to get an idea of folding power?
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    Gargoyle had this to say
    Of course, that's less cancer we're curing while we're waiting on the contract...

    We lose WAY MORE WUs because of abandoned machines. Machines that dont return WUs for weeks with no word.

    It should be a KD7 I think maybe, a 2500+ and some PC3200. Should be the best SMx machine yet.

    Jim: Sorry but if there are enough members that want to donate they it can be a possibility. For now we are sticking with USA/Canada machines. Sorry mate.
  • madmatmadmat
    edited December 2003
    I would like to host SM21 so I'd like to throw my hat in the ring as well.
    I know I'm kind of new but I have all the requirements and I'd like to be able to help the team.
  • BudBud Chesterfield, Va
    edited December 2003
    when do we find out who is hosting sm21
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    when ever they vote.

    I have no Problem Signing a contract! BTW what if the person who is voted for has over half the parts himself and is gonna donate them no matter what?? I think 5 or 6 main parts are coming from me this time round.


    And a Contract is a smart thing! Make sure you put in the contract that IF for some odd reason you will not be able to host it any more that you will return the machine to the parts manager!
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Oh one question! Is there a specific OS the team wants this thing to fold under? I dont think I will ever leave 2k again!
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Win2k is quickest for just about everything.
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    And more secure!
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    Send it anyway.
  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I can see that the rules for hosting have become a lot more restrictive with the whole contract thing here. Does this mean that the host is monetarily responsible for replacing all failed components in the rig in order to maintain a level of uptime that is satsfactory to the team? Or that it must be shipped back to Mr. Kwitko if a component fails, and he then replaces the component and ships it back to the host? Or will the team still provide replacements for failed components, but incur the same level of inefficiency we still have in the process (particularly as can be seen in the sad story of SM20)?

    Also, Thrax, you need to make the 20 a 21 in rule #2 there.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Fixedfixedfixed.

    Thanks GH. :)
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Normally, if something fails then you can replace it yourself if you happen to have a spare whatever lying about, but normally, you just request the new bit of kit to replace the old one and do it that way.

    Just purely out of interest, how long have Bud and MadMat been around?
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited December 2003
    GHoosdum had this to say
    I can see that the rules for hosting have become a lot more restrictive with the whole contract thing here.
    Please be assured that we're not trying to make it tough on anyone who is doing a good job taking care on a SMx computer. We are just trying to protect the team's interests by making sure we have a way to rectify the (rare) situation where a host is not doing their job.

    Let's face it, part donations are going to go way down (or dry up completely...) if people see the ram or cpu they donated sitting idly in someones closet, and not Folding for the team.

    Everyone on the team appreciates the great job being done by the vast majority of the hosts. It is the occasional person who seems not to give a hoot who has made it necessary to tighten things up.

    Does this mean that the host is monetarily responsible for replacing all failed components in the rig in order to maintain a level of uptime that is satsfactory to the team?
    No! They are the team's rigs. The team will take care of them. Naturally, it would be hugely appreciated if the host didn't mind replacing a minor part here and there, but there is no obligation.

    Or that it must be shipped back to Mr. Kwitko if a component fails, and he then replaces the component and ships it back to the host?
    No way we'd spend dozens of dollars in shipping (twice!) to replace an $8 NIC, not to mention the risk of having the UPS guy drop it off the back of the truck...

    Or will the team still provide replacements for failed components, but incur the same level of inefficiency we still have in the process (particularly as can be seen in the sad story of SM20)?
    That's the idea behind having a central parts manager. Want to donate? You'll know right where to send the part. Something fail? You'll know exactly who to ask for a replacement. Please be patient - we're still in the process of getting this going. SM20 had the double misfortune of A) having some parts DOA, and B) being built during the transition process. We're trying to make sure we have everything 100% (hardware-wise, and team-wise) for SM21. Once the process has the bugs worked out we anticipate rolling out computers like never before. With all of the nifty hardware just starting to catch on (PCI Express, SATA, etc) we anticipate having even more recently-upgraded parts available.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    prof is right. We will find replacement parts but the hosts will do the most they can to keep her running and to diagnose whats wrong.
  • BudBud Chesterfield, Va
    edited December 2003
    Enverex ive been here about 5-6 months. I know Im new but Id really like to be a host,. Ive become addicted to folding
  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    prof - why don't you put your name in the hat to host a rig? There's no rule stopping you now!

    Also, although I don't plan on putting my name in the host-hat, at least until I move out of my parents' house, I love to build PCs more than I love to use them - so Mr. Kwitko if you ever need any relief on the construction duties, I'd be more than happy to help!
  • KwitkoKwitko Sheriff of Banning (Retired) By the thing near the stuff Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    GHood, thanks for the offer. When I retire from the parts manager role I'll be sure to recommend you as my more than worthy successor.

    The point of having a parts manager is twofold. First is stress-testing, second is efficient shipping.

    I'll be assembling complete machines and stress-testing them for at least 48 hours to make sure nothing fails. Once I see the system is good to go, I'll send out the parts to the host.

    If a part fails, it's at the discretion of the box owner and the parts manager to decide if shipping would be worth it. Yes, prof, as you said, shipping an $8 NIC is silly. Shipping a PSU is not.

    If you replace working parts on your own, say to upgrade the processor or memory, that needs to be shipped back to the parts manager for use in another machine. This way we don't have parts sitting in 14 different states. If another machine fails, we then can ship out a replacement through the parts manager.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited December 2003
    GHoosdum had this to say
    prof - why don't you put your name in the hat to host a rig?
    I probably will at some point. No use letting those extra ports on the router go to waste. :D

    It looked like I was going to have to make a sudden long-distance move last Fall, then maybe again in January. Now it's looking like July. Once I know where I'll be living for the next few years I'll likely go for it.

    :thumbsup::fold:
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    so its the three of us Me bud and Madmat. Is that all??
  • t1rhinot1rhino Toronto
    edited December 2003
    I don't know if I am eligible, but I would throw my name in the hat again.
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    NO WAY!!! you throw your name in we all lose any hope of possibly being chosen!!!! lol j/k I have no clue if you are able too
  • GargGarg Purveyor of Lincoln Nightmares Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    What concerns me about a central parts manager is having to ship each component twice. Someone is footing the bill, whether it's Mr. Kwitko (not really fair to him) or the team fund (no sense draining that).

    I don't really see the advantage of stress testing it at a different site than the host site. The host can just as easily notify the team of a faulty part.

    The parts manager idea is great for organization, but I don't see the benefits justifiying the increased cost of shipping. That's money that can go towards more parts.

    By the way, how was the parts manager idea decided in the first place? Did I miss that thread?
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