NF7 problems

mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
edited January 2004 in Hardware
I got this NF7-S for Christmas. I plug it all in, install a fresh copy of XP on and now am trying to OC. Cept I cant get vary far.

From default settings the board comes with I have changed CPU speed to user define and running at 200*10 now. Uped the vcore to 1.7, Chipset to max, and RAM to max. I also relaxed the timings to 8-3-3-2.5. Besides enabling Lan and disabling SATA RAID thats all that is different and I cant pass 3dmark default settings.

CPU: 1800+ DLT3C Week 21 of 03. Same one Geeky has that does 2.5GHz.
Motherboard: NF7-S
RAM: PC3500 HyperX
PSU: True Power 330W
HSF: SLk-900 w/Enermax Adjustable 92mm at max RPM.
Temp: 37C @Idle (I think I am going to put AS5 instead of the Ceramique stuff)

Latest BIOS from Flashmenu and latest nForce2 drivers.

Did I miss something? Is there something else that I need to change? Disable/Enable? What am I doing wrong?

I got higher OCs on my KX7 with another chip with the same steppings.
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  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    got the new bios flashed on it?

    //:edit didnt see that! I dont use the newest bios cause for some reason it doesnt work as well i use 1.8
  • TemplarTemplar You first.
    edited December 2003
    Power supply maybe? :confused:
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Write down all your BIOS settings and post them back here.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    I checked my temps with the hardware monitor and they were getting to above 50C after folding for awhile. The Ceramique is out the door. It was thick as hell anyway so there is probably too much of it on there.

    I'll be back with all the BIOS settings.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    SoftMenu
    CPU Op Speed = User define
    -External Clock = 170 Mhz
    -Multi = 11.5
    AGP Freq = 66 MHz
    CPU FSB/DRAM Ratio
    CPU interface = Disabled

    Power Supply Controller
    -vcore = 1.7
    -vdimm = 2.9
    -chipset = 1.7
    -agp = 1.5

    CPU opertemp=65C

    Standard CMOS Features
    Blah blah blah all default

    Advanced Bios Features
    Virus Warning = Disabled
    Quick POST = Disabled
    1st boot = Floppy
    2nd = HDD-0
    3rd = CDROM
    Other = disabled
    Swap floppy = disabled
    Floppy seek - dis
    numlock = on
    Security option = setup
    APIC mode = enabled
    -MPS = 1.4
    OS selected DRAM > 64mb = non-OS2
    Report no FDD = disabled
    delay ide = 0 sec

    Advanced Chipset Feat
    Mem timings = Expert
    -Row active delay = 8
    -Ras-cas = 3
    -Row precharge = 3
    -Cas latency = 2.5
    System BIOS cachable = en
    Video RAM cachable = en
    AGP app size = 64m
    FSB Spread spec = 0.50%
    AGP " " = 0.50%
    CPU thermal thottling = 50%
    Enhance PCI performance = Dis
    CPU disconnect - en
    AGP data transfer rate = auto
    AGP fast write = en

    didnt change anything else besides LAN, and sata as I said above. Onboard IDE controllers are set to Auto PIO and Ultra DMA is disbaled for master and slave on both controllers

    PCI latency is 32 clocks.

    Anything else needed.

    It did pass at 170*11.5 in 3dmark.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    Templar wrote:
    Power supply maybe? :confused:
    Voltages are decent. About the same as before with my KX7. I have the same PSU. 3.3 is right on and 12 and 5 are only slightly under as in less than .1V
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Try these -- Bold denotes new setting.

    CPU Op Speed = User define
    -External Clock = 170 Mhz
    -Multi = 11.5
    AGP Freq = 66 MHz
    CPU FSB/DRAM Ratio - 4/4
    CPU interface = Disabled

    Power Supply Controller
    -vcore = 1.7
    -vdimm = 2.9
    -chipset = 1.7
    -agp = 1.6

    CPU opertemp=65C

    Standard CMOS Features
    Blah blah blah all default

    Advanced Bios Features
    Virus Warning = Disabled
    Quick POST = Disabled
    1st boot = HDD-0
    2nd = disabled
    3rd = disabled
    Other = disabled
    Swap floppy = disabled
    Floppy seek - dis
    numlock = on
    Security option = setup
    APIC mode = enabled
    -MPS = 1.4
    OS selected DRAM > 64mb = non-OS2
    Report no FDD = disabled
    delay ide = 0 sec

    Advanced Chipset Feat
    Mem timings = Expert
    -Row active delay = 11
    -Ras-cas = 3
    -Row precharge = 3
    -Cas latency = 2.5
    System BIOS cachable = disabled
    Video RAM cachable = disabled
    AGP app size = 128m
    FSB Spread spec = disabled
    AGP " " = disabled
    CPU thermal thottling = disabled
    Enhance PCI performance = Dis
    CPU disconnect - disabled
    AGP data transfer rate = 4x
    AGP fast write = disabled
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    Very strange. I can't offer much in the way of a definitive answer... I'll grab my BIOS settings for comparison, though.

    However, just an observation- a number of people have bought NF7s in the past few weeks, and have posted about not being able to overclock much... I'm beginnning to wonder if the new boards are just extremely crappy overclockers for some reason... :hrm:
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    mmonnin wrote:
    SoftMenu
    CPU Op Speed = User define
    -External Clock = 170 Mhz
    -Multi = 11.5
    AGP Freq = 66 MHz
    CPU FSB/DRAM Ratio
    CPU interface = Disabled Enabled

    Power Supply Controller
    -vcore = 1.7
    -vdimm = 2.9
    -chipset = 1.7 1.5
    -agp = 1.5

    CPU opertemp=65C

    Standard CMOS Features
    Blah blah blah all default

    Advanced Bios Features
    Virus Warning = Disabled
    Quick POST = Disabled
    1st boot = Floppy
    2nd = HDD-0
    3rd = CDROM
    Other = disabled
    Swap floppy = disabled
    Floppy seek - dis
    numlock = on
    Security option = setup
    APIC mode = enabled
    -MPS = 1.4
    OS selected DRAM > 64mb = non-OS2
    Report no FDD = disabled
    delay ide = 0 sec

    Advanced Chipset Feat
    Mem timings = Expert
    -Row active delay = 8
    -Ras-cas = 3
    -Row precharge = 3
    -Cas latency = 2.5
    System BIOS cachable = en Disabled
    Video RAM cachable = en Disabled
    AGP app size = 64m
    FSB Spread spec = 0.50% Disabled
    AGP " " = 0.50% Disabled
    CPU thermal thottling = 50% Disabled
    Enhance PCI performance = Dis Enabled
    CPU disconnect - en Disabled
    AGP data transfer rate = auto
    AGP fast write = en

    didnt change anything else besides LAN, and sata as I said above. Onboard IDE controllers are set to Auto PIO and Ultra DMA is disbaled for master and slave on both controllers

    PCI latency is 32 clocks.

    Anything else needed.

    It did pass at 170*11.5 in 3dmark.

    I have made some changes in your post. That's how i suggest anyway.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Geeky1 wrote:
    Very strange. I can't offer much in the way of a definitive answer... I'll grab my BIOS settings for comparison, though.

    However, just an observation- a number of people have bought NF7s in the past few weeks, and have posted about not being able to overclock much... I'm beginnning to wonder if the new boards are just extremely crappy overclockers for some reason... :hrm:

    My brother's new NF7, once I PFMed it into working.. Cruised along at a 230MHz FSB with my memory, and sat happily at 2.3GHz on a JIUCB/DUT3C Athlon. So... Not all of them! :D
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    OK I will try some of the changes Thrax suggested first. I set the ratio to 6:6 once and I still couldnt but there are others I havent messed with.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    Well I tried both and neither will pass 3dmark at 200*10.

    Thrax: By 'PFM' you mean the pin/wire mod to 166?
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    see this thread ...most of that stuff is better off being disabled in advanced chipset features.
    which slots is your ram plugged into and what vid card are you using (just curious)?

    also try 5:5
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    First slot and a good ol' R8500LE
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    PFM = pure ****ing magic. Heh.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    are you using the p4 connector along with the atx connector?
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    No I didnt think AMDs needed that. I didnt even notice there was one on the motherboard til now. I always ignored it the extra wires. In fact they are prolly tied up behind the PSU somewhere.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Supposedly they don't, as that cable is powered on the 12v rail and the CPUs use the 5v rail. But use it anyways.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I haven't seen an answer to whether it is needed or useful or not ...I have mine plugged in and it's working fine maybe give it a try.

    you have one stick of ram I assume correct?
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    also ...why only 1.7v vcore?
    marc it took a few weeks of running light on this board before I could get a good oc onit ...you may also need a good burn in period.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    Yes one stick of 512 in bank 1.

    I will try the 12V line and some more vcore.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2003
    I'd try the +12v, as csimon said, and bump the vcore to say, 1.8v...

    Also, you may want to return everything to stock and run the SiSoft Sandra Burn In Wizard (both CPU tests & memory bandwidth tests) for a while (24-48hrs+)...
  • MJOMJO Denmark New
    edited December 2003
    Well the 12V connecter is not needed.
    But it is supposed to give more stability.
    I didn't use it before I upgraded my PSU.
    I booted fine and operated normally.
    I had random reboots, but I guess that was because the PSU was to weak.

    Summary.
    It is not needed to operate but it can provide extra stability.
  • lsevaldlsevald Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    The CPU is powered by the 12V rail on the NF7. Use the P4 connector :)
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Yes, the 12V rail goes bananas without that connector.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    12V line didnt help. I couldnt even get to this thread with folding running before I got the siren. Before it was just hard locking.

    12V rail was 11.91 w/o the 12v line just like it was on my KX7.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    what ram are you using in the kx7?
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    I was using the same stick I have now as the KX7 was the mobo in my main rig. I ordered some of that buffalo PC3200 from newegg for $32 that was supposed to be here yesterday but the dirver just put the sign on the door and never knocked and didnt leave it at the front of the apartment complex.

    Rebooted on its own at 11*170.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    damb fed ex employees I tellya!!! :nudge: !!!
    what ratio are you using 6:6 5:5 4:4? what vcore?
    disable f@h for now.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2003
    4:4 and 1.8V. With the RAM I also had some AS5 in there as well.
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