I havent dont anything to the HyperX. The AS5 I should get on Monday if they deliver it. I have had some AS3 and I got some Ceramique for Christmas. Thats what is on my CPU now but was really thick and stiff when I put it on and I think thats why I am getting higher temps than before with less of an OC.
sounds like it's getting hot to me.
here fill this out so we can see where you are now.
I would at least remove the -forcesse til you get this thing stable.
SoftMenu III Setup
CPU Operating Speed: User Defined
X - CPU Ext Clk (CPU/DRAM): 200
X - Multiplier Factor: x10
AGP Frequency: 66
CPU FSB/DRAM ratio: 6/6
CPU Interface: Disabled
Power Supply Controller: User Defined
X – CPU Core Voltage: 1.85v
X – DDR SDRAM Voltage: 2.8v
X – Chipset Voltage: 1.7v
X – AGP Voltage: 1.7v
Advanced Chipset Features
Memory Timings: Expert
- Row-active delay: 11
- Ras-to-CAS delay: 2
- Row-precharge delay: 2
- CAS Latency Time: 2
System Bios Cacheable: Disabled
Video RAM Cacheable: Disabled
AGP Aperture Size: 64M
FSB Spread Spectrum: Disabled
AGP Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Thermal-Throttling: Disabled
Enhanced PCI Performance: Enabled
CPU Disconnect Function: Disabled
AGP Data Transfer Rate: Auto
AGP Fast Write Capability: Enabled
Reapplied AS3 and I got the siren on default 1800+ speeds. Running at 1150mhz now at 43C!!! Thats more than what I ran 2.15 with an SLK-800 and 53 CFM instead of 1150, SLK-900 and 64 CFM. What the hell. And thats at idle compared to the full load and got 39.5 with SLK-800 and mechatronics fan.
OK tried from scratch again. Went to fail-safe settings. Posted ok. Optimizated - ok. Then tried user define ok. 5/5 - ok. User-define ok. 1.5 ok. 1.525 ok. 1.55 ok. 1.575 got the siren when the BIOS tried to save. Back down to 1.55 but windows rebooted. Down to 1.525 or just 1.5 now. Cant do a damn thing now.
Hmm I rebooted and hardware monitor said 45 and now its at 39.5. Best since I put in the NF7. When I started the last line it said 39.5 when I finished it said 38.5. Now 38. Bout freakin time!!! Thats at idle tho at defaul 1800+ speeds. I got around 40 at 2.15 SLK-800 and less CFM before.
temps are wierd. Is this the bios reading the temp or an outside temp reader? Its always a possibility it could be reading it high or just for fact it is high in temp. Try a diff fan maybe a diff case fan in the back blowing more air in. Try a diff cpu in it and burn it in. Then if that fails i would switch the ram out and run it. If that fails its the board causing it to fail
My recommendation is to see if you can find a more powerful psu that gives more than just 17A on the +12V rail. Tha_Noname (guy in abit forums) recommends that if you have a modern cpu, p4;AXP, then you should have a psu that gives at least 15A on the +12V, but I'm guessing that's for non overclocking rigs.
Also in the nf7-s FAQ's Tha_Noname posted he says, "Very many on this forum say that the rev2.0 of the nf7 may require a higher rated psu than earlier revisions.. so try to stick with at least a 360w and higher (of a good quality brand)".
So if you have a friend who could lend you a beefier psu I'd recommend you try that.
I dont really have another more powerful PSU. I will be getting a 350 Antec with an Antec case on monday I think if the Fed Ex guy delivers it. I think has some stonger rails but its not a true power.
Nope. On newegg it says the 350 psu gives out just 16A @ +12V rail.
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Straight_ManGeeky, in my own wayNaples, FLIcrontian
edited December 2003
Marc, in re Ceramique and thin.... Get a nylon putty knife or a pot scraper made of nylon. Run a bead across width of core, about 1\8th in from one end. use putty knife with handle removed if needed, and hold at about a 30 degree angle, draw across core. Use rubbing alcohol or purish Isoprophyl alcohol (I use 91% alcohol)and a rag or a paper towel to remove excess from around core. Let alcohol dry and evaporate, then apply heatsink. APPLY small amounts of Alcohol to paper towel or rag, not to CPU, this is for others who did opposite and wondered why it took forever to dry, somewhere....
IMPORTANT:
Expect it to cure in over 200 hours of operation, to 250 hours. The first temps will be like high, it should drop 5-8 C over a week's time. I set my monitor\temp software to alarm at 58 C (was showing 53 C under heavy load first day after Ceramique), after a week my Barton was at about 47 C average, while folding one instance at LOW priority and running other things also (like Corel Draw, Opera, etc.).
Ceramique is not a fast cure HS compound, it needs 200 hours to cure in and after 200 to 250 hours it will be down 5-8 degrees on average from first uncured temp.
50 C will NOT hurt a Barton, above about 60 C might do so.
I've had the "no full contact" thing happen to me before a couple of times. It was making good enough contact with the core to keep from smoking the proc but was running really high temps and couldn't even get to the proc's rated speed. If it's a new build, I try to mount the proc and hsf before installing in the case nowdays, so that I can look carefully at it all around to make sure nothing is interfering with the hsf from making full contact. Also, I would highly recommend a quality psu of above 400 watts rating for a highly overclocked barton or P4 rig. It's better to err on the high side than on the low side for good power delivery.
I did put the HSF outside the case because with the Cheiftec type case its hard to latch the HS because of the positioning of the socket and the horizontal bar. Then I put the AS3 but didnt feel like taking everything out. The SLK-900 doesnt have enough of a lip to go over the raised part by the latch. Thats the reason for the high temps but it still doesnt get anywhere.
Yeah temps are fine now or at least dont go up like 10C when I go full load.
I tried the Clockgen for the NF7 and it wont go past 173FSB at an 8 multi. Tried twice.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
Al, the guy @ the ABIT forums that recommends 360w+ PSes is an idiot. Obviously, he has no idea what he's talking about. A good 300-350w PS is more than sufficient for 99% of systems. The only exceptions are the most heavily loaded single-cpu systems, and dual Athlon/Xeon systems.
I've run 1.4GHz Thunderbird systems off 250w PSes, and my 1.04 A7N8X has had CPUs up to 2.4GHz on a 350w Antec SL350.
Edit: I booted at 8*174 with settings in the BIOS.
Edit: Clockgen, Sandra, and CPU-Z says its 175 tho???
Edit: Up to 200FSB in Clockgen and it hasnt crashed yet.
Edit: Crashed at 208FSB in clockgen.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
mmonnin, what BIOS are you using? I didn't see it mentioned, but I didn't look too hard, either...
My guess is that's bios 20. I'm beginning to believe that the latest bios impedes overclocks. As when I was running it the highest fsb I could get was 211 and right now I'm @ 215 @ 1.6vcore and the cpu just needs more voltage to reach 225 or above
Park had the same problem and switching from bios 20 to bios 17 helped him go from 211 to 230-240ish.
However Thrax is also using bios 20 and he's running at high fsbs, so I wouldn't conclude that bios 20 is the culprit just yet.
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you have as5 in the ram heatspreaders?
here fill this out so we can see where you are now.
I would at least remove the -forcesse til you get this thing stable.
SoftMenu III Setup
CPU Operating Speed: User Defined
X - CPU Ext Clk (CPU/DRAM): 200
X - Multiplier Factor: x10
AGP Frequency: 66
CPU FSB/DRAM ratio: 6/6
CPU Interface: Disabled
Power Supply Controller: User Defined
X – CPU Core Voltage: 1.85v
X – DDR SDRAM Voltage: 2.8v
X – Chipset Voltage: 1.7v
X – AGP Voltage: 1.7v
Advanced Chipset Features
Memory Timings: Expert
- Row-active delay: 11
- Ras-to-CAS delay: 2
- Row-precharge delay: 2
- CAS Latency Time: 2
System Bios Cacheable: Disabled
Video RAM Cacheable: Disabled
AGP Aperture Size: 64M
FSB Spread Spectrum: Disabled
AGP Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Thermal-Throttling: Disabled
Enhanced PCI Performance: Enabled
CPU Disconnect Function: Disabled
AGP Data Transfer Rate: Auto
AGP Fast Write Capability: Enabled
Hmm I rebooted and hardware monitor said 45 and now its at 39.5. Best since I put in the NF7. When I started the last line it said 39.5 when I finished it said 38.5. Now 38. Bout freakin time!!! Thats at idle tho at defaul 1800+ speeds. I got around 40 at 2.15 SLK-800 and less CFM before.
Was down to 36C (I had left for a few minutes, now up to 41.)
I do.
So is it a bad motherboard? Can drivers make it do this?
My recommendation is to see if you can find a more powerful psu that gives more than just 17A on the +12V rail. Tha_Noname (guy in abit forums) recommends that if you have a modern cpu, p4;AXP, then you should have a psu that gives at least 15A on the +12V, but I'm guessing that's for non overclocking rigs.
Also in the nf7-s FAQ's Tha_Noname posted he says, "Very many on this forum say that the rev2.0 of the nf7 may require a higher rated psu than earlier revisions.. so try to stick with at least a 360w and higher (of a good quality brand)".
So if you have a friend who could lend you a beefier psu I'd recommend you try that.
For some reason I think its the temps. I did a scan with Ad-Aware and when it got to like 47.5-48C it froze. Shutdown temps are no where near that.
I am going to be doing a reinstall of everything later on today to see if that helps.
Sorry if I missed this, but what bios are you running?
I dont really have another more powerful PSU. I will be getting a 350 Antec with an Antec case on monday I think if the Fed Ex guy delivers it. I think has some stonger rails but its not a true power.
IMPORTANT:
Expect it to cure in over 200 hours of operation, to 250 hours. The first temps will be like high, it should drop 5-8 C over a week's time. I set my monitor\temp software to alarm at 58 C (was showing 53 C under heavy load first day after Ceramique), after a week my Barton was at about 47 C average, while folding one instance at LOW priority and running other things also (like Corel Draw, Opera, etc.).
Ceramique is not a fast cure HS compound, it needs 200 hours to cure in and after 200 to 250 hours it will be down 5-8 degrees on average from first uncured temp.
50 C will NOT hurt a Barton, above about 60 C might do so.
John.
Well I bought the PSU with a case but I looked and that still only has 16As on the 12V line. It has more on the 3.3 and 5V rails tho.
Stock 1800+ speeds full load at 39C. So that should go down a little bit once the AS3 cures.
Ageek: I remember reading a review on Ceramique and the temps kept going down the longer they tested while others leveled off.
I still cant boot at 200*10 tho. Pissin me off.
What happens if you boot with 11 instead? Multi 10 and 10.5 is weird on this board. VERY weird. It adds/removes timings that the others don't.
I tried the Clockgen for the NF7 and it wont go past 173FSB at an 8 multi. Tried twice.
I've run 1.4GHz Thunderbird systems off 250w PSes, and my 1.04 A7N8X has had CPUs up to 2.4GHz on a 350w Antec SL350.
Switched CPUs and it still rebooted at 174.
Edit: I booted at 8*174 with settings in the BIOS.
Edit: Clockgen, Sandra, and CPU-Z says its 175 tho???
Edit: Up to 200FSB in Clockgen and it hasnt crashed yet.
Edit: Crashed at 208FSB in clockgen.
My guess is that's bios 20. I'm beginning to believe that the latest bios impedes overclocks. As when I was running it the highest fsb I could get was 211 and right now I'm @ 215 @ 1.6vcore and the cpu just needs more voltage to reach 225 or above
Park had the same problem and switching from bios 20 to bios 17 helped him go from 211 to 230-240ish.
However Thrax is also using bios 20 and he's running at high fsbs, so I wouldn't conclude that bios 20 is the culprit just yet.