Icrontic Oktoberfest 2010

Brian Ambrozy 19 Sep, 2010 at 10:00am ET Article published in Life

OCTOBER 28th – 31st, 2010

While the Expo Icrontic is certainly our biggest annual event, there is a jealous little brother lurking deep within the recesses of Autumn. Just like all jealous little brothers, some people like him better than the popular big brother. Icrontic Expo’s jealous little brother is none other than Oktoberfest, our second biggest annual event.

Our fourth annual Oktoberfest celebration (lovingly abbreviated as ICOK) promises to be a blast, with friends old and new already committed to coming. Attending an Icrontic event is a rite of passage and a surefire way to make lifetime friendships. If you think you love what goes on here online, wait until you see how it is offline. If there’s one thing that can be said about Icrontic events, it’s that they are memorable.

Icrontic Oktoberfest is a celebration of beer, friendship, beer, autumn, Halloween, and beer. This event, unlike Icrontic Expo, is 21 and over only. We are also having a costume party on Saturday the 30th, so you are encouraged to bring and wear a costume to celebrate the debauchery and grown-up side of IC.

Oktoberfest has traditionally turned into a mini-LAN, as most people bring their PCs or gaming laptops. We don’t have the tent, but there will be gaming (both electronic and board varieties). As the Michigan weather is a bit cooler in October than it is in June, we recommend some warmer clothes. If you are tough and brave, you are welcome to tent in the backyard. We recommend a hotel because, just like at Expo, it can be quite crowded and bathroom/shower time is at a premium. Unlike Expo, there is no entry fee, but you are expected to BYOB as well as one to share: We have a tradition of people bringing local-ish brews for the community fridge, and encourage you to bring something from your hometown/state that others may not be able to get where they live. It’s a great time to share and try new beers!

Come one, come all to ICOK 2010! See you in Oktober!

Comments

19 Sep 2010 ~ 10:22am CB in before "in."
19 Sep 2010 ~ 11:10am the_technocrat ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
19 Sep 2010 ~ 12:47pm Ryder Damn plane ride, I guess i have to settle for 3rd (or 2nd pending the.outcome of the ffffffuuuuuu above).

In!
19 Sep 2010 ~ 1:11pm Thrax In.
19 Sep 2010 ~ 5:18pm ardichoke No dice. Stupid Tuesday through Saturday schedule.
19 Sep 2010 ~ 7:33pm the_technocrat I was referencing that horrible face I don't remember why I was making...
19 Sep 2010 ~ 7:58pm TiberiusLazarus

the_technocrat wrote:

I was referencing that horrible face I don't remember why I was making...

Rape face.

What more do you need to know?
19 Sep 2010 ~ 8:13pm pigflipper Already spent my money for the Rally To Restore Sanity and the March To Keep Fear Alive, which is the same weekend.

But don't worry, I will see y'all next summer.
20 Sep 2010 ~ 9:13am WagsFTW In! Might have a few costume ideas as well.
20 Sep 2010 ~ 11:32pm pseudonym blah blah blah beer blah blah costume....

in!
21 Sep 2010 ~ 12:11am GnomeQueen Innnnnnnnnn
21 Sep 2010 ~ 2:31am shwaip #twss
21 Sep 2010 ~ 10:36am SpencerForHire In Like Flint
21 Sep 2010 ~ 11:01am MAGIC In. Someone has to keep the sanity.
21 Sep 2010 ~ 1:11pm primesuspect Sanity....

IC Summer Shindig 2010 042_DxO.jpg by Icrontic.com, on Flickr
21 Sep 2010 ~ 1:26pm Linc @pigflipper [strike]The Rally is Nov 30, not Oct 30.[/strike] I'm an idiot.

@CB I learned to play Carcassone at #ICRenn. It's on like Donkey Kong!
21 Sep 2010 ~ 1:34pm primesuspect Matt, it's in October

http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/
21 Sep 2010 ~ 2:38pm pigflipper Well, not attending the rally now anyways, had to cancel flight and hotel for more pressing concerns: I need a new transmission for my car. Either way, not making it to ICOK, yet again.
21 Sep 2010 ~ 3:11pm CB

Lincoln wrote:

@CB I learned to play Carcassone at #ICRenn. It's on like Donkey Kong!

Very well. Shall I bring my sets? I have the original set and a few of the more fun expansions (some of the expansions are really bad). I also have a couple of specialized alternate rules versions with some different artwork and stuff.
21 Sep 2010 ~ 3:41pm MAGIC

CB wrote:

Very well. Shall I bring my sets? I have the original set and a few of the more fun expansions (some of the expansions are really bad). I also have a couple of specialized alternate rules versions with some different artwork and stuff.

Yeah, bring it. That game was a blast.
22 Sep 2010 ~ 4:18pm ZenMode Totally in.
22 Sep 2010 ~ 4:48pm Annes Need to decide if we're going to fly or drive. Also need to decide if we're taking 1 or 2 days off work, or Working From Michigan (I've used that so much I now just shorten it to WFM and people know what I mean.) But I think it's safe to say Eli and I are "in."
22 Sep 2010 ~ 6:26pm SpencerForHire Anyone interested in EDH bring your stuff, I'd like to get a good game in after somewhere between a few drinks and a few too many!
22 Sep 2010 ~ 6:51pm TiberiusLazarus Working out the details, but I should be in.
23 Sep 2010 ~ 2:39pm MAGIC

SpencerForHire wrote:

Anyone interested in EDH bring your stuff, I'd like to get a good game in after somewhere between a few drinks and a few too many!

EDward fourtyHands?
23 Sep 2010 ~ 3:44pm SpencerForHire Hah, I would welcome anyone playing that game to afterwards play this game.
23 Sep 2010 ~ 4:53pm WagsFTW

MAGIC wrote:

EDward fourtyHands?

Well plaid. I might be in for this. Smirnoff this time? Yum!
23 Sep 2010 ~ 6:06pm fatcat well plaid? skirts on the mind?

Alidra is in if she gets off work. Which means I'm on puppy duty. Till next time
23 Sep 2010 ~ 6:46pm Linc Puppy doesn't want to meet Snuffie?
23 Sep 2010 ~ 7:42pm RyanFodder I will work very hard to be in on this.
23 Sep 2010 ~ 11:02pm Alidra Puppy is actually puppies, Linc. And it wouldn't end well.

But yes, tentatively in. Planning route now.
27 Sep 2010 ~ 6:55pm Humerusmeg Innnnn!!! Can't wait!
27 Sep 2010 ~ 7:49pm Annes

HumerusMeg wrote:

Innnnn!!! Can't wait!

Who you be?
27 Sep 2010 ~ 9:32pm ZenMode

Annes wrote:

Who you be?

That's Meghann.
27 Sep 2010 ~ 9:37pm TiberiusLazarus You're Meghann.
27 Sep 2010 ~ 9:38pm primesuspect Matthew!
27 Sep 2010 ~ 10:42pm CrazyJoe Hmm... $69 sale from MCO-DTW on Airtran... less than $150RT? I might be in at that price...
28 Sep 2010 ~ 1:56am GnomeQueen I think Meghann's name on IC should just be MATHEWWWW.
28 Sep 2010 ~ 7:06am CrazyJoe Constuction on my costume has begun...
3 Oct 2010 ~ 2:53pm UPSLynx US Airways Flight 239
Arrival at DTW: 1:25AM

Guess that's as good an 'In' as I'll ever come up with.
3 Oct 2010 ~ 7:35pm GnomeQueen New ICHQ rule: No one is allowed in the house without a pair of tongs. Those that show up without one will be turned away at the door.
4 Oct 2010 ~ 10:47am MAGIC The Great Tong Incident, never forget.
4 Oct 2010 ~ 11:52am SpencerForHire

MAGIC wrote:

The Great Tong Incident, never forget.

The scars. They go deep.
4 Oct 2010 ~ 2:45pm Thrax OH MY GOD TRIPLE TONG. IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.
5 Oct 2010 ~ 8:41am ZenMode Tong me, baby - I'm ready.
5 Oct 2010 ~ 2:17pm Bandrik Yeah, I'm probably in. I really shouldn't skip out on something this awesome when I can drive and be there before any of the Lord of the Rings Extended Scenes rolls the credits.

I'll just need a place to curl up and crash in mah sleepin' bagz of justicy doom.

So...

...who's bringing the Nova Schin?
5 Oct 2010 ~ 9:56pm WagsFTW Halloween Costume Contest? Please....? I'm so excited about this!!
5 Oct 2010 ~ 10:27pm CrazyJoe I'm still hoping to make it... I'm literally putting my blood, sweat and tears into making my costume... More the first one than the rest but anyways...
5 Oct 2010 ~ 11:27pm RyanFodder

Bandrik wrote:

...who's bringing the Nova Schin?

*shudders

.... 3 man anyone?
6 Oct 2010 ~ 8:17am Alidra

CannonFodder wrote:

*shudders

.... 3 man anyone?

In
6 Oct 2010 ~ 8:40am TiberiusLazarus Oh boy! 3 man! Always in.

And since the FDS won't be able to make deliveries, if anyone has any special Boulevard requests, give me a shout.
6 Oct 2010 ~ 9:11am WagsFTW In.
6 Oct 2010 ~ 12:33pm UPSLynx For tradition sake, I am required to play 3man.

Also, Jimmeh, can you please bring me a sixer of Wheat for the archives in California?
6 Oct 2010 ~ 12:48pm Bandrik

TiberiusLazarus wrote:

If anyone has any special Boulevard requests, give me a shout.

Ohhhhh man!

Ti, if you could pick me up a sixer of Wheat and a sixer of the seasonal Oktoberfest as well, I'll gladly reimburse you right at the start of ICOK. Much appreciated as well in advance.

(if they don't have enough for everyone's request, I would be happy with just one pack so someone else can have some)

UPDATE: After FDS pointed out they have an Oktoberfest seasonal brew, I have updated my request to reflect that. So I switched out a pack of Wheat for the seasonal.
6 Oct 2010 ~ 2:25pm FDS

TiberiusLazarus wrote:

And since the FDS won't be able to make deliveries, if anyone has any special Boulevard requests, give me a shout.

Much appreciative sir! :thumbup

Don't forget about our seasonal brew for your Oktoberfest!
6 Oct 2010 ~ 6:33pm UPSLynx That beer is goooooooood. Can you bring some of that as well plz?

I was digging that image of the amber ale, FDS. I bet that beer is going to own.
6 Oct 2010 ~ 6:59pm FDS

UPSLynx wrote:

That beer is goooooooood. Can you bring some of that as well plz?

I was digging that image of the amber ale, FDS. I bet that beer is going to own.

thank you!

Some of our new beers on our newly designed website!

Amber Ale

Boss Tom's Golden Bock
6 Oct 2010 ~ 7:14pm fatcat
6 Oct 2010 ~ 8:12pm Bandrik

fatcat wrote:

Huh? What are you bringing into question or trying to point out...? I'm lost here. =/
6 Oct 2010 ~ 8:40pm Alidra

Bandrik wrote:

Huh? What are you bringing into question or trying to point out...? I'm lost here. =/

has nothing to do with you Bandrik

<----fatcat
6 Oct 2010 ~ 8:52pm Alidra Apparently fatcat is haxxor now.
9 Oct 2010 ~ 11:57am Linc Sessions take 10-15 minutes to expire.
9 Oct 2010 ~ 12:52pm MAGIC I'll take a pack of Bully Porter if you would. Thanks.
9 Oct 2010 ~ 4:43pm ZenMode In.
10 Oct 2010 ~ 12:25am RyanMM Okay, so I pitched this idea during Expo but due to the lateness of conceiving it I got shot down. That's ok though, there's 3 weeks till ICOK.

Blind horizontal beer tasting

I will supply a selection of beers in the same or similar style which will be poured into color-coded, identical glassware. I'll supply some background information about the style, what makes it unique, how it's brewed, and so on. You'll be able to sample these beers side-by-side, compare flavor profiles, what makes them different, what makes them similar, and try and figure out what you like. You'll be able to discuss the beers with the other tasters to try and pinpoint things about them, argue the merits of the beer you prefer, and then after the beers are mostly consumed, you'll find out the brewers and names of the beers you've tasted.

Each person would get 2-3 oz of each beer, covering 5 to 6 beers, depending on how many are participating, with a hard upper limit of 6-9 people depending on what tasting option is chosen.

Technically, proper Marzen styles should've already been consumed; Oktoberfest is actually in September, and it's a style that's best fresh. One tasting that I have prepared is barrel-aged stouts and porters. We could also do a tasting of belgian quadrupels, old ales, double-IPAs, strong ales, etc. Other horizontal tastings would be doable but I'd prefer to draw from stuff I have in my cellar.

The cost would approximately $8 to $12 per person, depending on which beer style is picked and how many people want in.

First thing I need to do is gauge interest and then I'll put up a survey to help determine which style the tasting ends up being...and then it's first-paid, first-in on dibs to be at the table.

What say ye?
10 Oct 2010 ~ 1:13am Bandrik

RyanMeray wrote:

What say ye?

In. Totally, totally in. In like flint. And steel. Like fire to a tree.

If you're asking for preferences, I'm the type that likes to try new things. My only preference, really, is against things that are strong on the hop-y side. Conversely I really enjoy odd beers like fruit beers, chocolate stouts, banana nut beer, etc.

Of course, if you get a wide assortment of things, I wouldn't mind at all if a hoppy beer was thrown in for good taste. But I'm not very knowledgeable about the proper setup of a fine tasting, so perhaps it's more common to keep the spectrum narrow to keep the palate clean.

TL; DR version: I like anything except strong hops beers. If you elect for that, I'll have to sit out. All others, I'm in.
10 Oct 2010 ~ 4:11am Linc

Bandrik wrote:

anything except strong hops beers. If you elect for that, I'll have to [strike]sit out[/strike] pass them to Lincoln.

Fixt
10 Oct 2010 ~ 10:49am RyanMM

Bandrik wrote:

Of course, if you get a wide assortment of things, I wouldn't mind at all if a hoppy beer was thrown in for good taste. But I'm not very knowledgeable about the proper setup of a fine tasting, so perhaps it's more common to keep the spectrum narrow to keep the palate clean.

TL; DR version: I like anything except strong hops beers. If you elect for that, I'll have to sit out. All others, I'm in.

Depends on what kind of tasting we run. A proper horizontal tasting keeps it limited to beer in a similar style or flavor profile. A vertical tasting is the same beer in different vintages - One from 2010, 2009, 2008, etc, allowing you to compare how the same beer has improved/worsened with age.

Or we could just do a themed tasting that allows us to pull in a variety of high-end stuff you wouldn't normally get to try. "Big beers," "High ABV beers," "best in class beers," etc.

I'll put up the survey with the specific choices when I get a chance and we'll go with whatever is the most popular.

We'd definitely want to do this earlier in the night before the party gets packed and crazy, we'd need a good 45 to 90 minutes to sit with the beers and sample them together round-table style. Maybe shortly after dinner on Friday or Saturday would be good? I guess it greatly depends when people are arriving.
10 Oct 2010 ~ 11:39am Bandrik

Lincoln wrote:

Fixt

Haha, nice. Well I will gladly pass any beers to you that I find <strike>undrinkable</strike> too hoppy.
10 Oct 2010 ~ 11:44am Bandrik

RyanMeray wrote:

We'd definitely want to do this earlier in the night before the party gets packed and crazy, we'd need a good 45 to 90 minutes to sit with the beers and sample them together round-table style. Maybe shortly after dinner on Friday or Saturday would be good? I guess it greatly depends when people are arriving.

A sound plan. Especially before people start burning their tastebuds off with those damn (yet delectable) Fire Cherries and whatever other shenanigans and moonshineries people bring in.
10 Oct 2010 ~ 11:55am WagsFTW In!!
10 Oct 2010 ~ 1:02pm Thrax In. Do you accept monopoly money?

Also, I have figured out my costume. Many attendees will be quite pleased.
10 Oct 2010 ~ 1:32pm Bandrik

Thrax wrote:

I have figured out my costume. Many attendees will be quite pleased.

Thrax, are you going as a giant bottle of Nova Schin?

I mean, come on... I expected greater things from you. Like Box Owl, perhaps. Or at least a Mountie, eh?
10 Oct 2010 ~ 2:24pm Annes It's not possible for anyone to be more "in" on the blind beer tasting than me. Seriously.

(throw in a Flemish to fuck with people )
11 Oct 2010 ~ 12:39am RyanMM Okay ladies and germs, here's the survey. I will also ping your twitters and Facebooks so you can get me responses ASAP.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/TBVLLNS
11 Oct 2010 ~ 1:12am RootWyrm Sadly, I wo-
Yeah. Right. Like I'm going to miss this. BAHAHAHAHA.

SO TOTALLY IN.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 12:13pm Linc In. <strike>But I will be HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED if we do barley wine. I don't even know how that's even considered a contender against Quadrupels.</strike> I am an idiot and am banning myself from beer discussions for the rest of the day.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 2:38pm RyanMM What just happened there, Matt? lol
11 Oct 2010 ~ 3:26pm UPSLynx in for beer tasting.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 3:30pm MAGIC Ryan, are you planning to do the beer selection pending the survey? Let me know if you need any help. We have a few shops that have a huge beer depth and assortment. I also have growlers so I can get stuff off the tap from Founders ,New Holland, and Schmohz
11 Oct 2010 ~ 3:41pm RyanMM Depends on which option we go with; several of the tastings I could do with what I have in my cellar currently. I will definitely be tapping some of you if needed.

Andrew, did you do the survey at 8:07am or was that Wags? Someone from Grand Rapids did. Either way, whoever didn't do it yet, please do when you have a chance. I need to finalize the lists ASAP so I can figure out who needs to bring what if anything.

http://bit.ly/asDDOJ
11 Oct 2010 ~ 3:42pm Bandrik

MAGIC wrote:

I also have growlers so I can get stuff off the tap from Founders ,New Holland, and Schmohz

Mmmm... growlers...
11 Oct 2010 ~ 4:02pm MAGIC

RyanMeray wrote:

Depends on which option we go with; several of the tastings I could do with what I have in my cellar currently. I will definitely be tapping some of you if needed.

Andrew, did you do the survey at 8:07am or was that Wags? Someone from Grand Rapids did. Either way, whoever didn't do it yet, please do when you have a chance. I need to finalize the lists ASAP so I can figure out who needs to bring what if anything.

http://bit.ly/asDDOJ

I did it.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 4:06pm RyanMM Okay, we've got "ins" from myself, Rootwyrm, MAGIC, WagsFTW, UPSLynx, Lincoln, Bandrik, Annes, Ryder, GQueen, and Thrax.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call that the cutoff, based on the number of glasses I have at my disposal.

I believe I still need survey responses from Wags, Annes, and Thrax. Then I'll be able to pick which tasting we go with, finalize the beer lists, and get the exact dollar amount figured out.

If any seats open up once the beer option and pricing are revealed then I'll be able to take some additional peeps.

Survey! Please!
11 Oct 2010 ~ 4:45pm Linc

RyanMeray wrote:

What just happened there, Matt? lol

Barleywine != what I thought it was.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 4:55pm RyanMM

Lincoln wrote:

Barleywine != what I thought it was.

I figured as much, I was just curious what you had in mind.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 8:49pm Annes Mmmm. Barleywine.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 10:30pm MAGIC

RyanMeray wrote:

Okay, we've got "ins" from myself, Rootwyrm, MAGIC, WagsFTW, UPSLynx, Lincoln, Bandrik, Annes, Ryder, GQueen, and Thrax.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call that the cutoff, based on the number of glasses I have at my disposal.

I believe I still need survey responses from Wags, Annes, and Thrax. Then I'll be able to pick which tasting we go with, finalize the beer lists, and get the exact dollar amount figured out.

If any seats open up once the beer option and pricing are revealed then I'll be able to take some additional peeps.

Survey! Please!

Ill bring my own glass if that allows for another person to be able to participate.
11 Oct 2010 ~ 10:33pm RyanMM The beer availability is the biggest issue. If I've got 6 beers in mind but I can't get sufficient quantities of all 6, it's a no-go. Right now I know that for at least a couple options in those tastings, I can get at least 1 bomber or 2 12oz bottles of some pretty specific beers. 24oz/22oz/25.4oz - Split that 11 ways and you've got a nice 2 ounce and change sample that's sufficient to really taste the beer. Add any more people in there and the samples just get too small.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 1:09am RyanMM The results are in folks! Minus Thrax who is sadly without Internet, all participants have responded.

My methodology is simple - Ranking a choice as 1 gave it 6 points, ranking it as 2 gave it 5 points, and so on down to 1 point for a 6 ranking. It turns out that the same tasting would've won based on pure popular vote for 1st place, but in the odd chance that wasn't the case I wanted to allow for support at lower rankings to factor in. That way if a tasting had broad support as a second or third choice it would be a viable possibility.

Drums please!

As you can see, Barrel-aged dark ales took the cake. It earned 5 votes for 1st choice, and got some nice nudges as a backup choice. Abt/Quadrupels came in a VERY close second, and I'm glad it came in second. Actually, I'm glad both of those were the top 2 choices, and I'll tell you why.

I've been amassing a nice selection of barrel-aged dark ales for a while now. I've got one rare selection that could never be bought in stores and will probably never be bottled again. I've got some anniversary ales that are only released once a year. And I've got some nice vintages of some older stuff. All in all, this is the tasting that I've got the best supply of on-hand and ready to pour. It'll also be the most diverse while still fitting within the horizontal label; yeah, the beers aren't all exactly the same style, but they're similar enough to allow for some very good comparing and contrasting.

I'm very excited about this one.

I'm glad quads came in second because while I have a good lineup of quads I've been accumulating, the great white whale known as the Westy 12 is still something I don't have yet. Westy 12 is renowned to be THE best beer in the world by many beer fans and different rating methods. I think it'd be disappointing to do a quad tasting if I didn't try my darndest to put that into the mix, just so we could all judge for ourselves, without bias, if it really is a cut above other contenders like Rochefort 10 and St Bernardus 12.

Anyways, here's the final details:

At around 6:30 or 7:00pm on Saturday, October 30th, we'll be sampling at minimum 6 beers. They'll hail from as far away as California to New York and back to Michigan. They're porters, stouts, and imperial stouts, aged in either oak barrels or bourbon barrels. With 11 tasters, the sample size will be at least 2.2 oz per beer. The minimum ABV on these beers is 7% but the average of all 6 is 10.7%. I can guarantee you that you will be trying some new stuff.

Cost per seat is $12, payable day of. I'd rather avoid paypal because those assholes are taking money out of all transactions these days.

Cheers guys!
12 Oct 2010 ~ 3:32am UPSLynx yes! I can't wait for this.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 7:38am WagsFTW Yum! So excited.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 8:17am MAGIC Very cool. Thanks for arranging this Ryan.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 2:55pm CrazyJoe I'm In!! Flights have been booked. The evening flights on Thursday were $300, but only $65 to fly into Dayton, so I will be doing that and then riding up to Detroit with CB. I will be flying back to Orlando from Detroit on Monday afternoon. See you all there!! My costume is coming along nicely.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 4:24pm Bandrik

RyanMeray wrote:

As you can see, Barrel-aged dark ales took the cake.

Sweet! And thanks again in advance for organizing all this, Ryan. This sounds wonderful.

Though, as a minor suggestion, you may want to consider pushing the times back a little bit to take into account dinner plans. 6:30-7:00 sounds a little early. If there's a "mass outing", say most of us go to restaurant xyz, just make the time 30 minutes after we return, or whatever.

Again, no biggie, I just don't want anyone feeling like they have to choose between this wonderful beer tasting experience and a chance to sample the local cuisine that night.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 7:06pm Annes I say we do it BEFORE dinner. The last thing I want is to have too many drinks in me before I start tasting some of Ryan's best brews.

And no, I don't have any self control. Like you haven't noticed.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 7:08pm RyanMM Supposing everyone who's "in" is going to be in a drinking mood at 4/4:30-ish, we could definitely do it before dinner.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 7:22pm Bandrik

RyanMeray wrote:

Supposing everyone who's "in" is going to be in a drinking mood at 4/4:30-ish, we could definitely do it before dinner.

I would prefer drinking after dinner. I've always been an "alcohol after food" type of guy. I prefer food already in the stomach, and the booze to come afterwards. Since I'm not starving, and yearning for something more solid, it lets me savor the beverage more.

Ultimately I'm flexible, I WILL enjoy it before dinner if that's what the vote swings, but my preferences are as such.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 7:27pm MAGIC

Annes wrote:

I say we do it BEFORE dinner. The last thing I want is to have too many drinks in me before I start tasting some of Ryan's best brews.

Also would rather drink before dinner. I prefer to drink on an empty stomach.
12 Oct 2010 ~ 7:32pm RyanMM Sounds like I need a new survey. lol