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Made in Detroit: HDTVs from Element

Made in Detroit: HDTVs from Element

Imagine, just for a moment, buying a new 70″ 1080P LED HDTV with a premium JBL sound system, hanging it in your living room, and while installing the cables seeing a sticker on the back that says

“Made in the USA”

A television. Made in the USA.

It sounds like a pipe dream, since major consumer electronics just simply aren’t made here anymore. Other than Olevia’s brief stint in California, no TV has been manufactured in the US for decades. There’s, of course, the idea that labor costs are too high to bother, that unions will somehow ruin everything, and that there’s no point in building electronics anywhere other than Asia, but at least one company we met with at CES 2012 plans to change those perceptions.
Made in Detroit

HDTVs are large, fragile items. At 46″ and bigger, the cost of insuring and transporting a large, sensitive electronic device across the ocean becomes prohibitive. Thus opens a serious case for manufacturing them a bit closer to home.

That’s what Element Electronics CEO Mike O’Shaughnessy figured, and that’s where the journey to bring television manufacturing back to the United States begins.

Blue Collar Beginnings

Mike was born in the blue-collar town of Warren, Ohio. Warren shares northeastern Ohio with Akron, Cleveland, and Youngstown. It’s as rust belt as you can get. You can therefore begin to see how someone who was born and raised in this kind of area would think of trying to revive high tech manufacturing in America.

Element Electronics is based in Minnesota, and Mike told me candidly that the decision to find manufacturing in America was partially economic and partially patriotic. Of course, any CEO would be foolish to make a move like this if it wasn’t a smart financial decision, but Mike believes that all the pieces are in place for this to make sense.

The electronic components inside the televisions are still being manufactured offshore, but the final assembly will be done in Canton, Michigan (a suburb of Detroit). This is very similar to how the automotive process works.

“Our hope is that by ramping up production on a small scale, we’ll start to see it make sense for suppliers to think about opening up their doors in Michigan to accommodate our production. We have to start small, and this is our first step.”

Mike talks about big plans; the Element plant is starting with a single manufacturing line that will be able to crank out 500,000 units. The factory has room for up to five lines. “Think about it, if we start rolling out five full production lines, suppliers are going to take notice and we can start seeing these other factors come into play. There’s a huge labor and talent pool in the midwest. You’ve got workers with high-tech experience here. Plastic injection molding, assembly, fabrication, you name it. It can be done here, it’s just a matter of economy of scale.”

Since I knew Detroit-area residents would want to know, I asked about using union labor. Mike was again perfectly candid with me. “Not initially, but I want you to know that I’m not against union labor.” and then he told me about his blue collar beginnings, which was a roundabout way of saying that he would support union labor if the economics made sense.

Element televisions are being manufactured in a partnership with Lotus International Company. The Lotus plant is where the TVs will be built.

But are they good?

This is all well and good, but we all know that Element is not exactly a premium brand—and features, quality, and support will win out over fleeting feelings of patriotism. I was brought into a room to demo their product line, where I was surprised to find out that a JBL representative was on hand to reveal that Element has partnered with them to provide premium audio solutions for the sets.

An Element LED HDTV was next to a Samsung unit. The picture quality on both sets was essentially the same; the colors were of course different,  but these things are user adjustable. The Element set looked slightly better, but I attributed that to careful setup from their technicians. I’m reasonably sure they didn’t tweak the competitor’s image settings. The sound demo began. The difference between the two was remarkable. The JBL system on the Element TV was far more possessed of depth, bass, and “room-fillingness” than the Samsung set. Mike explained in his up-front manner:

“We have tremendous respect for the big guys,” presumably referring to Samsung, Sony, LG, and other mainstream TV manufacturers. “These guys have refined their product down to shaving millimeters off the thickness. We’re not there, and we can’t compete on that. We felt that we could compete on a feature basis, and partnering with a strong brand like JBL enables us to do that.” He feels that many consumers will be reassured by a recognizable brand name like JBL, and that the superior audio experience might tip the scales given that both displays are very similar on an image quality basis.

And he may be right. Given a handful of televisions side-by-side, with tweaked image settings, your average consumer will be hard pressed to explain exactly why this or that set “looks” better. It’s all going to be personal preference. However, most will agree on what sounds better, especially when it’s a high-end premium audio solution rather than two cheap speakers in the bottom bezel.

Element televisions that will be manufactured in Michigan are 46″ and up. In their suite at CES I saw 70″ sets and a gorgeous 80″ display as well. The Element product line contains both LCD and LED 1080p displays,. Production of the 46″ and up sets will begin in Detroit in March. They will be available at major retailers such as Wal-mart, Sears, and Costco.

If you’ll be shopping for an HDTV in 2012, it meets all your feature requirements, and it would make you feel good to buy a TV made in the USA, go check out an Element display in a few months. You may be able to proudly say that you bought an American-made television.

Element HDTVs will be made in Detroit

Comments

  1. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster I'm holding onto an older DLP set I've had for a while. When I go shopping for an LED flat panel I will without a doubt buy from Element if their commitment to US manufacturing continues.

    Thanks for the good news!
  2. ardichoke
    ardichoke If I were in the market for a TV that big, this would definitely get me to consider Element. Sadly, anything over about 35" would be complete overkill for my tiny house. Hopefully they'll start manufacturing reasonably sized TVs in the US before I'm in the market for a new set.
  3. GHoosdum
    GHoosdum Keep in mind, ardi, that the size restriction is part of the value prop - the higher manufacturing costs in the US are offset by the inventory breakage that occurs during shipment of screens 46" and above. Unless the manufacturing cost in the US dropped to a level close to that of offshore production for smaller sets due to economy of scale, it seems unlikely that Element TVs under 46" would be produced in the US.
  4. ardichoke
    ardichoke Unless they find that there's a significant market of people that would pay more for a product made in the US. I know there IS a market, the question is how big is it and how much more would they be willing to pay? I know I'm in that market segment and I would probably pay 10-15% more for a product manufactured in the US, provided it is of comparable quality. I'd go higher if it was of better quality than a foreign produced good.
  5. NiGHTS
    NiGHTS Given the explosive growth of retailers like WalMart, I'd garner not enough to warrant diving into it, I'm afraid.
  6. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster It's not proper for this discussion, but I think the worker revolt in Asia is coming, it's only a matter of time. One day workers there are going to demand their cut, and when they do, it will level things out for global competition. There are already examples of unrest, and backlash for US companies that exploit them with long unforgiving hours and terrible working conditions. In my mind, buying US made goods is a moral imperative whenever possible.
  7. Thrax
    Thrax Nah, because China will just start outsourcing to an even more third world location. It's already started in Latin America.
  8. QCH
    QCH Plant tour for EPIC and a free monitor to each attendee? Yes? ;)
  9. primesuspect
    primesuspect When Asian workers rise up and start unionizing, labor will move to Africa or something. There will always be an untapped low-wage labor pool.
  10. Garg
    Garg
    Nah, because China will just start outsourcing to an even more third world location. It's already started in Latin America.
    Race to the bottom. The biggest problem is the consumer: we want it all and we want it cheap, no matter how people are treated. Efforts like this are a step in the right direction though. There are enough other movements going on (local food, Occupy, anti-SOPA, etc.) that might all contribute to increased consumer consciousness.
  11. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster I'm afraid I inadvertently changed the tone of the discussion. Let's just all agree on this, TV's made in Detroit, that is awesome!
  12. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster http://news.yahoo.com/did-300-workers-xbox-360-factory-threaten-mass-181429338.html

    Sorry, I could not help posting this story, it is too relevant to the sub discussion. I don't want to turn this topic into anything negative, or argumentative, but at the same time I think its worth sharing.

    Mass suicide pact over wages? I'd say that equals worker unrest. That's the human cost of a cheap video game console. Times are changing, and I am optimistic that its only a matter of time before some balance is restored to the worldwide economy for manufactured goods. It will be a number of years, but it will happen.
  13. GHoosdum
    GHoosdum I heard on NPR this morning that threatening suicide is a common tactic for getting a raise in China these days.
  14. NiGHTS
    NiGHTS They're also working on replacing these workers with robots, which is an even worse option for them. Reddit had a link yesterday showing plans and movement towards robotization of a lot of the third world labor positions. You'd have to expect social unrest would quicken the pace for a project like this.
  15. pigflipper
    pigflipper Do. Want. Discuss. Social and Cultural. Revolution. But. Not. The. Place. For. That.
  16. Leonardo
    Leonardo Had someone at work told me that Detroit (or any US location) would soon be manufacturing TVs, I would have dismissed it with a laugh. This is very interesting!
  17. primesuspect
    primesuspect I talked to them today; production begins on April 18th.
  18. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven
    Plant tour for EPIC and a free monitor to each attendee? Yes? ;)
    I talked to them today; production begins on April 18th.
    Just sayin.
  19. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster Time to upgrade my old 720P DLP. I'm making it a point to buy a US made model from Element, can't wait until they are available.
  20. primesuspect
  21. primesuspect
    primesuspect The box is totally ostentatious, but I have to give it to them: It'll definitely grab attention on the store shelves.
  22. BlackHawk
    BlackHawk Box sure could've been a bit more subtle.
  23. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster I love it! The fact that it's made in the USA is what differentiates it from a million other 46" LCD HDTV's. Put that flag on the box and spread the good word Element!
  24. Thrax
  25. ardichoke
    ardichoke
    Assembled.
    Still better than nothing.
  26. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven Agreed with Ardi. The fab involved in making the actual panels and a good portion of the electronics inside would be prohibitively expensive if you tried to start a plant from scratch. Maybe in the future, if Element can raise some serious capital from this, they'll be able to start a fab for their parts.

    It's just not practical this early on. Nobody's going to buy a 46" LCD if it costs $8,000.
  27. fatcat
    fatcat meh, who buys TV's anymore. Projectors is where it's at

    image
  28. primesuspect
    primesuspect From the article that this discussion is in:
    The electronic components inside the televisions are still being manufactured offshore, but the final assembly will be done in Canton, Michigan (a suburb of Detroit). This is very similar to how the automotive process works.

    “Our hope is that by ramping up production on a small scale, we’ll start to see it make sense for suppliers to think about opening up their doors in Michigan to accommodate our production. We have to start small, and this is our first step.”
  29. cody buffham its a good start with tvs assembled in the USA, give it time and eventually manufacturers will be able to make the parts for them as well and wont have to rely on having overseas parts made from foreign labor and have 100% made in America.
  30. GHoosdum
    GHoosdum Wow, I didn't realize Element would ship you that many TVs as prizes for EPIC. ;)
  31. QCH
    QCH
    Wow, I didn't realize Element would ship you that many TVs as prizes for EPIC. ;)
    Looks to me like at least 12 TVs. Almost like door prizes. :D

  32. PirateNinja
    PirateNinja It will be interesting to see if they can differentiate their commodity simply based on the assembly location being the US. That's a heck of a marketing task. If that is the only way they differentiate, then I don't see these selling well outside of middle America Walmarts given how they did the "ostentatious" packaging which is clearly targeting that group. If they have some price advantage, or really have some technical glory, then they have the potential to sell well online.

    I think it would be a cool idea for Element to approach the Amazon Basics brand manager(s) for a contract. Since they are located in the US, Amazon could use them for built to order TVs and greatly reduce the risk they would have to entering the television marketplace. I'm sure it's a super complicated industry though, and I'm oversimplifying the situation.

    I can't help but wonder who holds the reigns on their supplier negotiations and what incentives there are for those suppliers given that they are likely at least partially owned by the other major television manufacturers and the Chinese government.
  33. primesuspect
    primesuspect @pirateninja I spoke directly with the CEO about this very issue. I asked him point blank if the "Made in USA" was the only marketing rah-rah they could muster.

    Surprisingly (especially despite their totally ostentatious packaging), his response was that he was more concerned with features and that he knew the Made in USA thing was not something to rest the entire brand on. This is the exact reason they partnered with JBL, a premium, household audio brand, for these sets. They want to compete on features first, and consider Made in the USA as an added bonus.
  34. PirateNinja
    PirateNinja Cool thanks for the info, I did notice the "The BEST Sounding Tv. Period." and the JBL logo but they are overshadowed by the ... well ... box design.

    I'm really excited to see how things work out and what route they end up taking. It would provide some unique insight in to the industry just to see what their results are like.
  35. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven I think you cover a good portion of the market with that. You're going to get the "rah rah murrica!" crowd with the box design, and the critical consumers with the actual innards.

    Once parts sourcing starts to move to the US, then it makes everyone even happier.
  36. CB
    CB I don't know. That box design really turns me off. First: It looks like a box of fireworks. Second: My first thought upon discovering it is not fireworks is, "If their 'big deal' is that it's made in the USA, then how crappy must the actual product be?"
  37. mertesn
    mertesn
    I don't know. That box design really turns me off. First: It looks like a box of fireworks. Second: My first thought upon discovering it is not fireworks is, "If their 'big deal' is that it's made in the USA, then how crappy must the actual product be?"
    Pretty much what I was thinking. It looks like a Wal-Mart special. You know, the kind that's cheap for a reason...

    I'd love to see/hear one in person though.
  38. Cliff_Forster
    Cliff_Forster I think Made in the USA is a significant differentiating factor for HDTV's simply because all HDTV's are at least some version of pretty good these days. Go into a big box store, look at one LCD panel from the next, all pumping out pretty gorgeous 1920X1080 video at a minimum of 60hz, every set at least looks like some version of awesome. Now I realize the contrast ratio is a huge factor in determining image quality but the margin from the better to the lesser sets has narrowed over the past couple years, it's to the point where all LCD panels at least look some version of good, and Element is going to differentiate by putting in some standard speakers that don't suck, I'm sure for many consumers it will be fine. Sure, there are guys like us that will obsess over every minute detail, but for most consumers that made in the USA sticker will mean something even if the blacks are not quite as dark as on the nicest Samsung LED on the floor.

  39. frank I am looking for a 32" size. When will it be available? Are your products being sold in PA?
  40. primesuspect
    primesuspect Hi Frank. The only ones made in the US so far will be 46" and up. Yes, they should be sold in PA, at Target so far.
  41. primesuspect
    primesuspect The 39" Element TV is now available from Costco, and is assembled in the US.
  42. Zanthian
    Zanthian Costco gives you 90 return policy and extra year extended warranty for free also.
  43. ardichoke
    ardichoke Saw one of these in Target when I was in Maryland. Made me happy. It was way bigger than I would ever get for my house though.
  44. larry kubiac Icant beleive it but would be great' send me info and where they be founf to buy?
  45. BobbyDigi
  46. F Bigham I bought a 40" lcd element from local walmart store, have had the tv for 4 months,walmart warranty was only for 90 days. Have been having trouble with the sound,comes and goes, can have volume turned as high as it will go and can't hardly hear it. ( I don't have a hearing problem.) I called the customer service number and was told I had to send the tv have it repaired,,,147 miles,,,right!! 147 miles and I had to pay for the shipping!! Haven't checked the cost but I'm sure it will be outrageous!! So buyers beware!!!!!!
  47. Walter Frazier So glad to learn about Element made in Detroit HDTV's. I will be buying one.
  48. Barry Zuckerman Can someone give me an honest review of the Element LED?
  49. primesuspect
    primesuspect I've been trying to get a review sample for months, but I think they changed PR companies and the communication ball got dropped by them :-/
  50. N. Flash Just bought three Elements: 2 46rs and a 70 inch. Will give you a review after Xmas when we fire them up.
  51. hugo why are the electronics are still made some other country instead of giving the american workers more jobs and giving element the full prestige of the made in usa label,for now i would not buy from element until they make tvs here 100%.
  52. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven I think this was discussed in this very thread, but the main reason is that getting the production lines up for the component parts is much more difficult than assembly.

    There are only a few manufacturers of LCD panels in the world and they have spent many many dollars on perfecting the R& D and subsequent production processes. For Element (or even a company with a much larger footprint) to just strike out on their own making panels (which would require securing patent rights from at least 1 or two of the existing panel manufacturers) and all of the supporting electronics would be a fast track to bankruptcy.

    And even so, at the electronics angle: What constitutes made-in-America electronics for you? Sure, the boards can be put together and populated with chips here, but getting a fab together to strike the chips themselves, with all of the different types of chips involved would be ridiculously expensive, particularly when compared to the cost of buying off-the-shelf from manufacturers who produce (literal) millions of the same chips every year.
  53. Bandrik
    Bandrik Personally, I would never expect something to be made 100.00% in -any- country. Raw materials come from all over the world. Plus, I would actually prefer the panel itself to be made in one of the distinguished existing LCD makers' plants. What you can do in America is things like the design, interface software, plastic bezel (injection molding), the TV stand, the wiring, etc, then assemble it here as well.

    In short, it's not the 100% part we should get hung up on. Instead focus on just shifting more of the feasible workload to the USA.
  54. primesuspect
    primesuspect There is almost NOTHING that contains more than one part that is made purely in one country.
  55. Patrick McCartan Unfortunately for all the good of being made in the USA they treat their USA consumers disgracefully. Terribly unfortunate. Element Electronics wont last. Just look at the consumer dissatisfaction comments everywhere on the internet.
  56. Cliff_Forster
  57. GHoosdum
    GHoosdum
    There is almost NOTHING that contains more than one part that is made purely in one country.
    Tell that to Shinola for 'buy american' day!

  58. Signal
    Signal I believe he was referring to electronics by use of a hyperbole.

    Eat that Mrs. Jarnigan! (6th grade composition teacher)
  59. primesuspect
    primesuspect I was indeed talking about consumer products, specifically electronics :)

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