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Zephyrus Automatic System Controller

Zephyrus Automatic System Controller

Supplied by VL System


The Zephyrus Automatic System Controller is more than a fan controller; it is an intelligent fan controller with extensive features. It was what we were looking for…but it failed.



We’ve dealt with two basic types of fan controllers. This first came along in the form of the Digital Doc series. The “Doc” turned fans on or off based on a programmable temperature. 8 thermistors provided 8 temperature zones which, in turn, turned on or off 8 separate fan headers. The problem with the “Doc” was balancing the equation. Setting the perfect on/off temperature for each fan became increasingly complex as fans were added. The cooling effect throughout the case keeps changing with fans.

The other type of fan controller is resistor based where a manual setting provided fan control. Fan RPM could be set throughout a wide range but it is manual. If more cooling is needed then a user has to manually increase the RPM of a specific fan.

Back a year or two ago I had consulted with Sunbeam to fabricate an intelligent temperature-based fan controller. A user could program a minimum and maximum temperature and the fan RPM would automatically increase or decrease through that range based on the thermistor temperature information it was fed. The on-screen graphic user interface was to be easy for anyone to interpret and program. It was planned that the unit could take a feed right off the motherboard and thus utilize the motherboard’s built-in sensors.

It was highly configurable and automatic and a shame when Sunbeam didn’t lift the plans off paper to develop a prototype.

Over a year later along came the Zephyrus from Korean based firm, Virtual Lab System. It looked impressive “on paper”.


It has fan controlling feature, System protection feature, Realtime monitoring feature, and more . It is built to deliver efficient management for the user’s pc environment.

Zephyrus is not an analog fan controller that most people are aware of, but it uses the newest digital technology which is called PWM . It delivers much easier usage of the system and efficient managing for the owner. While analog fan controller required physical actions from the user, the digital fan controller does not. Therefore, it offers system managing in a precedented accuracy.

  • 5 Channel fan control with smart AI technology
  • Real-time monitoring
  • Monitoring recording and replay
  • 3 sensors for measuring precise temperature
  • System protection function
  • Compatible with MBM
  • Supports Dual CPU
  • Supports USB interface – Supports up to 3CH of external devices
  • Supports 5 channel with smart A.I. Technology
    • The fan controlling port supports up to 5 channels. Zephyrus provides both manual and automatic control option. If this feature is used effectively, it can deliver a quiet environment when using the PC. Also note that when PC is heavily used the fan controller can adjust its temperature when it’s set on auto mode.
  • Real-time system monitoring
    • The FFT Monitoring program will display CPU, RAM, voltage, temperature and fan status on the monitor.
  • Monitors data recording and replays
    • The user can monitor the PC system with FFT Monitoring tool. This includes recording the system status. If recorded the user can playback by viewing the log. This is an effective tool for benchmarking/monitoring the system.
  • 3 sensors for measuring precise temperature
    • The 3 temperature sensors will deliver the accurate information. It is compatible with any systems.
  • System protection feature
    • If the system is over heated, this system will either notify the user or shutdown the computer automatically.
  • Compatible with MBM program
    • The program can also be used with MBM in conjunction with Zephyrus control Center.
  • Supports Dual or multi CPU system
    • This program supports Hyper-Threading, 2-way CPU, and 4-way CPU. Each individual CPU’s will be shown as Z.C.C in the program.
  • Supports USB interface
    • The product can be used through USB (1.1/2.0) connection. This product will require a PC slot for the installation.
  • Supports up to 3CH of external devices
    • It’s enable to do the various applications by controlling 3 Extended channel.

The description of capabilities certainly has an overwhelming appeal. The Zephyrus was shaping up to be the “cat’s meow” of fan controllers.

Remember…it failed.

Where to begin?

How could the Zephyrus have failed? Was it a hardware failure or a design failure and why was it assessed as a failure? A product obviously fails when it won’t work or features of it won’t work due to hardware failure. This may not be an accurate assessment of the product in general. Many companies manufacture thousands – millions of products with very few physical failures. That’s why there are warranties.

A review sample that fails due to hardware error does happen on rare times and, like the rest, we RMA it and receive a new working sample. One strike against a product, such as a the rare hardware failure, doesn’t mean that it is a bad product.

The Zephyrus was awkward to use. It was a product that, to use a cliche, tried to overhaul the plumbing and went too far. A product should be easy to install and program. The PC industry strives to produce products that are easy to use. If drivers are required or software is necessary for configuration then those too should be easy and straight-forward to install and use.

It wasn’t so straight-forward with Zephyrus. Products are reviewed with many viewpoints in mind. Technically savvy individuals may see a solution they think is obvious or know by experience. That viewpoint is important but the other extreme is the new user. They may just want to briefly scan the manual then plug the product in and use it. They may not have the patience, determination or immediate skills to troubleshoot. Our forums are full of intelligent individuals whose PC often baffles them.

The Zephyrus software left us scouring the manual again and again. There wasn’t the pleasant reaction of discovering new features the deeper into the software we got. There were more confused questions than clear answers.

So there’s where the word “failure” comes from. The Zephyrus had hardware failures which was one strike we could have overlooked with another working review sample. The Zephyrus failed because it left us with too many questions on how to use it, program it and what some features actually did. Added to this were some software features that had bugs in the test system. Read on to discover exactly what we experienced.

What’s in the box?


Inside the Zephyrus box is the controller card. It will take up one PCI slot when installed. It has one USB port that requires the included cable to connect it to the motherboard.


The package comes with the 3.5″ mini-CD installation disc, manual and a set of self-adhesive labels to mark the leads after installation is finalized.




The Zephyrus includes a power cable (4-pin molex to the PSU), fan leads, “extended cable” and USB cable.


Confused by the “extended cable”? You are not alone but it turned out to be to control another device such as a fan or a neon light. Though it doesn’t work in the same way as a fan on the main headers. Again, you are not alone if your eyebrows are knotting up in a bit of confusion.

Three flat thermistors are also included.


Lastly is the Zephyrus card itself.


It’s much smaller than a VGA card as seen when compared to an ATI 9800 PRO.


What any user does is to take everything out of the box and start plugging things in. A hint would be to flip the Zephyrus card over and there will be the labels as to what each header is for. For example the five fan headers are seen in the following image.


Flip the PCB over and there will be the labels as to which is fan 1 through 5.


The power, thermistor and extended (Export) connections are on the other side of the card.


Flip the PCB over and those will be identified.


Here starts the beginning of the downhill slide towards failure. Refer to the following image of the power, thermistor and extended (Export) connections.


The black connections in the centre of the image is the focus. There are five but only three thermistors. The other two, scratch that, the manual states that there are only four. The middle three are for the three thermistor leads. The one on the far left is a 12 volt “extended” header and the one on the far left…is for we don’t know what. It isn’t in the manual and certainly didn’t do anything in actual operation.

In our estimation the fan headers should have been female. Those headers are live and if any metal comes in contact with those pins then shorts may occur and possible damage to the product itself. This was done simply to properly mate with 3-pin fan connectors but could be easily solved with a female male to male cable. VL System took the time to include fan cables and they could have been male to male.

The first hardware failure could have been the result of manufacture or user error. One of the thermistor leads was burnt. It is the blackened thermistor on the right in the following image.


This could have arrived as is or it could have been burnt out by mistakenly plugging the thermistor lead into the 12 Volt “extended” header. Having live 12 volt leads within a millimeter of the thermistor headers and having them of the same design is a mistake. However there are no warnings in the manual to indicate that a thermistor lead could be damaged by accidentally doing this.

Nevertheless scratch one thermistor right out of the box.


The PCB card takes up one PCI slots. The thermistors are placed, one each, to the CPU, hard drive and northbridge as suggested by the manual. Note that the manual is outdated as it shows AMD processors with the Socket A designs but not the newer Socket 754, 939 and 940-pin designs. The fans are connected. The USB cable is connected from the card to an available motherboard USB port.

And the PC is fired up.

In goes the installation CD and quite remarkably the USB driver was automatically detected and installed. Except we didn’t know that or see it happen in the traditional sense. So we clicked the top button marked ZEPHYRUS USB DRIVER FOLDER OPEN which we thought was to install the USB driver.


It opened up the installed directory and the marked executable actually UNINSTALLS the USB driver software. So watch for that. It seems to be a 50-50 shot if the driver will be automatically detected and silently install.


Clicking on what was thought to be the installation executable brought up the following message. This confirmed that the USB driver had been silently installed. There was no need to continue.


To a novice user this may be confusing.

The second button on the main install page will install the Zephyrus Control Center software. Version was also utilized in testing as VL System recommended the upgrade.


Installation here was a snap.


The GUI tab by tab.

The first SYSTEM tab is basic system information. The CONFIGURE tab can set interface font and color and some basic positions of a message window. None of the color interfaces worked but there was a hint of one for BASIC COLOR that peaked out the bottom of the CONFIGURE screen but could not be gotten to. It disappeared when the screen was moved.


A pull down menu will allow specific channels to be selected then assigned a name.


The FAN CH. (channel) CONTROL tab allows for a multitude of configuration options.

AI MODE – the controller will automatically adjust fan speed by looking at the combination of temperature readings though motherboard monitor and the thermistor as well as CPU usage.

TEMPERATURE – The selected fan will run at the CONTROL RANGE setting when equal or below the temperature set. The fan will increase in speed when the temperature exceeds the set level. In the following image the radio button is set for AI MODE but if the one below it were selected then SENSOR 1 would set the fan speed at 60 percent of maximum from 0 to 40 degrees Celsius. Above 40 and the fan speed would increase very quickly to 100%.

CPU USES – It’s the same as temperature except based on CPU usage.

MBM SHARED – There’s no actual sharing. The program, Motherboard Monitor, will feed the necessary data for fan control.

USER DEFINED SETTING – Though not clear in the manual it is assumed that, when selected, it overrides all other settings and defers to the settings in the DIRECT FAN MODE tab.

PROTECT MODE – a setting to prevent the fans voltage from being set or dropping below 50% of maximum. This is a safe mode to ensure fans will not stall due to too low a voltage.


The EXTENDED CH. (Channel) CONTROL tab get’s a bit confusing. There are three extended headers on the PCB card. These can support other fans or even a 12 volt light. Any one of these can be slaved to a sensor such as one of the three thermistor leads.

It can be set to on or off overriding all other settings. It can also be set to turn on at its own temperature settings. So, for example, if the primary fan kicks in at 40 degrees Celsius and the temperature continues to increase a secondary fan or EXTENDED fan can kick in at 45 or 50 degrees Celsius. Whatever the user sets.

Or the user may choose to hook up a red neon light and have it turn on when things get too hot. The manual only says USER CAN MANAGE WINAMP, WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER USING THE PLUG IN to explain the PLUGIN PLAY section. That could have been better addressed.


The SHUT DOWN tab did exactly what it was supposed to. The PC would be shut down or rebooted if a designated setting(s) was exceeded. Be warned it will keep rebooting if that option is enabled and the setting is lower than operation norm.

If a user sets a temperature too low and the PC begins to automatically reboot forever then there is approximately 10 seconds when the PC reboots after Windows loads before this kicks in where a user can bring up the GUI and disable the sequence.

There is also a shut down/reboot command based on date.


The THERMOMETER tab will allow naming of the GUI display. There is the ability for custom names to each of the three sensor headers but there will be five displays in the GUI. The other two cannot be named or at least we didn’t find a way to do so.

The sensor value can be +/- adjusted if a user feels the temperature displayed by Zephyrus is inaccurate.


SYSTEM RECORDING is like a log of the Zephyrus’ activities that can be later displayed in the provided software.


DIRECT FAN MODE allows a user to, if USER SETTINGS is enabled in the FAN CH. CONTROL tab, to set a fixed custom RPM based on voltage. In protect mode the sliders will not move past 50% and lower.



Possible answers to questions

Q: There are five fan headers yet three sensors?

A: Each fan header can be assigned any one of the 3 sensors and two fan headers can work off the same sensor. Therefore there is the convenience of having two rear exhaust fans be controlled by one sensor or even three.


Q: Is Motherboard Monitor required to make the Zephyrus operational?

A: No.


Q: When the PC starts the fans all spin at full speed. Is this normal?

A: Yes. The Zephyrus software takes a a 5-15 seconds to take over control of the attached fans and other 12 volt devices.

The On Screen Displays

Right clicking on the TRAY icon will bring up the choices.


There are two for monitoring. The first is a rather large speedometer based display of the five fan headers. These are RPM readouts with a graph over time display in the centre showing the 3 thermistor sensors. Right clicking on the graph will allow enabling or disabling of any one or all of the graph readouts.


The smaller ZPANEL display will show realtime % of voltage on any one of the five fan headers. Note the lack of ability to name the fourth and fifth window as mentioned prior.


The Zephyrus player is supposed to allow playback of a log in graphical form. The player works the same way as a DVD interface with realtime or accelerated forward and rewind speeds.


Right clicking on the screen will allow enabling or disabling of any one or all of the displayed sensor data.


The choice of colors for the graphs was understood but hard to read. A colored dot or icon would have been better and even the faintest of explanations in the manual would have been good. It was by trial and error that the Zephyrus player was discovered and its options explored.


The Bench Player is assumed to play back multiple logs for comparison. It would not work at all.




The Zephyrus Automatic System Controller was a disappointment. There were problems:

  • One thermistor was burnt.
  • The software was buggy. Bench player would not work.
  • The manual was not 100% clear.
  • It took very careful study of the manual and trial and error to understand all of the features.
  • Two fan headers failed and would not work.
  • Only one 3-pin extended 4-pin Molex lead was included.
  • No 2-pin extended header lead was included.
  • Exposed electrical pins for the fan and extended headers is questionable.
  • GUI could have been easier to understand.
  • Some display anomalies with the software. (menu items disappeared.)


It would not be fair to write the Zephyrus Automatic System Controller off. To give this product a poor rating would be to condemn a good idea. It has potential to be a highly configurable fan controller that has a lot of enthusiast options. It isn’t even worth going into too much detail about the inverse voltage readings off the fan controller when measured by a voltmeter.

This is what happened when we, like any other user, plugged the product in and tried to use it. It partially worked then the problems began to appear from hardware to software to confusion. Bottom line is that the Zephyrus Automatic Fan Controller is not recommended at this time from our experience but it is one to bookmark and watch for when the technical folks at VL System get it right.

BTW: Zephyrus is the Greek god of the west wind.

Our thanks to VL System for
their support of this and many other sites.


  • Highly configurable
  • Many more features than just a fan controller
  • Realtime monitoring and logging
  • Programmable


  • It failed but it will be worth it when perfected


  1. Komete
    Komete Thanks for the honest review
  2. EMT
    EMT There's a typo in that mini-summary you've got here and at least twice in the review... should read "it failed" eh?
  3. Unregistered Right on!! Pretty much similar (not so good) experiences I had with Zephyrus about a month ago. Finally have to take it out of my system and put a manual fan control in instead.

    Their website just posted an updated version of software (v. days ago - which I'm not quite sure I want to try it now due to many sleepless nights encountered the last time. Anyone care to try?
  4. Unregistered Burning the thermistor was YOUR fault - on the back of the PCB was clearly pointed where to plug the thermistor. You have to be american not having noticed it...
  5. primesuspect
    primesuspect Actually he's not american at all! Thanks for your intelligent opinion though, as it can only serve to make us all better people :) :thumbsup:
  6. MediaMan
    Burning the thermistor was YOUR fault - on the back of the PCB was clearly pointed where to plug the thermistor. You have to be american not having noticed it...

    The faulty thermistor was noticed as it came out of the package before anything was plugged in. Also...the manual should have had a warning to specifiy potential for damage if the thermistor were to be plugged into the wrong connection.

    If you assumed that it was plugged into the wrong connection then chances are good that someone else may do the same exact thing.

    There is also no need for or acceptance of slurs against country of origin in this forum.

    Thank you.
  7. Unregistered Thank you for the evaluation. Wish I had read it prior to my purchase. Although it was a difficult install, I purchased it for the automatic fan control and shutdown features, both of which function fine. I have had problems loading it during the startup but starting it with a delay script has solved that problem.
  8. Unregistered "Failed?" Why? A thermistor was burnt, a fan header didn't work (who here has *never* done an RMA?), and version 1.0 (!) of the software didn't work perfectly throughout? Is this this guy's first review?
  9. Thrax
    "Failed?" Why? A thermistor was burnt, a fan header didn't work (who here has *never* done an RMA?), and version 1.0 (!) of the software didn't work perfectly throughout? Is this this guy's first review?

    No. Is this your first time posting on a message board?
  10. Unregistered "No. Is this your first time posting on a message board?"

    No. Would you like to try writing something cogent -- or, at least, of substance, now?
  11. MediaMan
    MediaMan My dear guest.

    It is expected, when a product is purchased, that it will work as advertised. The review simply reported what was at hand. It would be a failing of mine to RMA the product, receive a new sample and not report was was problematic with the first.

    The majority of consumers do not want a product that is complicated, difficult to configure nor have features that do not work. Those that simply use a computer having no idea how it works, let alone be able to set one up, heavily outnumber the enthusiast.

    The Zephyrus ASC, while a good idea that has promise, failed to meet the aforementioned standards. That is more or less what is written in the review in that area between the first paragraph and the last.

    BTW...over 150 reviews for this site alone. I've dabbled in communications...30 or so training/corporate videos, a few infomercials, 1000 or so commercials...I've learned to keep an open mind about people and products. It helps me learn new things, appreciate knowledge and gain valuable perspective. There's always someone here who knows more than I and I certainly enjoy their wisdom and good company. Even you may be appreciative of what you'd learn when you read past the first paragraph.

    Please enjoy the rest of Short-Media.com
  12. The-Uninvited-Guest
    The-Uninvited-Guest Our dear reviewer:

    It is heartening to note that the reviewer stays apprised of updates to the "comments" section, and it is my hope that I may once again hear from you rather than from a sycophantic jackanapes. I see also you have a penchant for sarcasm. Good.

    "It would be a failing of mine [sic] to RMA the product, receive a new sample and not report was was [sic] problematic with the first."

    Is that a greater or lesser "failing" than never performing the RMA, reviewing an obviously faulty unit, and then dwelling on faults that would be easily solved with a replacement unit (and others that could have been solved with an update to the device's software)? You have failed to make "100% clear" whether you did indeed get an RMA for the unit and reviewed the working replacement; there is only an oblique reference to how you usually do RMA's.

    Also, despite your earlier post in this "comments" section, it seems possible that you burned the thermistor yourself: "This could have arrived as is or it could have been burnt out by mistakenly plugging the thermistor lead into the 12 Volt "extended" header." (Emphasis added.) Later you state in the comments section that it did arrive burnt (please tell us; who else could have "mistakenly" plugged it in to a live feed), thus obviously failing to make "100% clear" which -- if either -- of these two apparently contradicting assertions you wish to purport as truth.

    Further, on page 4 it states, "Version was also utilized in testing as VL System recommended the upgrade" though one can clearly see from the screenshots that version is being installed. Either you're lying (which is unforgivable), or you failed to explain the obvious discrepancy and are instead merely criminally remiss in your duties as a reviewer (or, at least, again not "100% clear").

    "The majority of consumers do not want a product that is complicated, difficult to configure nor [sic] have [sic] features that do not work."

    Agreed! However, "the majority of consumers" do not want a temperature-sensitive fan speed control system (witness how many are available), much less know what one is or what benefits arise from the employment thereof. One of your reasons for saying this product "failed" is that "It took very careful study of the manual and trial and error to understand all of the features" though it takes both to torque the heads on a small-block Chevy. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'd say you're of the majority of car consumers -- and as such should not be trying to squeeze a few extra HP out of your vehicle by adding after-factory parts which are inevitably "complicated, [and] difficult to configure." Indeed, in your bulleted list which attempts (I imagine) to explain your decision that the device failed, you state both "Only one 3-pin extended 4-pin Molex lead was included" and "No 2-pin extended header lead was included." Pray tell, what does this mean to "the majority of consumers," and what is one such person to make of the cryptic phrase "It isn't even worth going into too much detail about the inverse voltage readings off the fan controller when measured by a voltmeter?" As for the features that did not work, perhaps that problem was solved in what was actually version of their software.

    "The majority of consumers," as it seems, might just end up buying the device for what it's intended (instead of the enchanting process of installing and configuring it), as demonstrated by one of the previous comments: "Although it was a difficult install, I purchased it for the automatic fan control and shutdown features, both of which function fine." There you have it; this individual, who purchased the product for its intended use, tells us that it "function fine." Did I miss a similar comment somewhere in your review?

    Indeed, since and if I "read past the first paragraph," I find (after wading through several pages that are little if anything more than a tedious litany of feature explanations that would more appropriately be placed in documentation rather than a review) your conclusion, in which you list nothing but problems. Therein, there is not even one admission that *anything* worked! At best, there's the "Highs" section which may as well have been copied and pasted from the manufacturer's list of features.

    Should the product have been easier to install and configure? Certainly! Were you right to mention the difficulties in installation and configuration? Absolutely! However, installation and configuration, though necessary, are merely a prelude to the true function of the device and should not be dwelled on as the sole criteria for its rating. To state broadly that "it failed" and later "It would not be fair to write the Zephyrus Automatic System Controller off. To give this product a poor rating would be to condemn a good idea" is confusing; is saying "it failed" (twice, and once in the one-line product summary, no less!) neither giving the product a poor rating nor "writing it off?" It certainly seems "failed" is a "poor rating," but maybe I haven't been in enough info-mercials to know -- after all, I'm also having a hard time connecting the implication that you haven't "written it off" with the fact that there doesn't appear to be a "new and improved" Zephyrus review. Looks "written off" by a "poor rating" indeed.

    " I've dabbled in communications...30 or so training/corporate videos, a few infomercials, 1000 or so commercials."

    ...and I've dabbled in automotive mechanics, writing, scripting, bail bonds, and amateur pornography. My point? See http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?non+sequitur , definition 2.

    At least, given your info-mercial experience, you'll know what I mean when I say that this is a true "set it and forget it" item; configuration is much less than 1% of usage. I wanted to know how well the thing worked, not just how hard it was to configure. I do hope your "open mind" has benefited from my "valuable perspective."

    Your review was what I was looking for... but it failed. If you "read past the first paragraph" doubtless you'll discover -- "more or less" -- why.

    Good day, Sir.
  13. Thrax
    Thrax I never thought it possible, but here's Thrax at 16 posting under a new name on this very forum! Complete with haughty italicized commentary, dictionary definitions, and an abundance of referential quotes, we behold a legacy rearing its ugly little head. Aaah, but who am I to judge? I'm nothing more than a sycophantic jacknape. :rolleyes:

    But I suppose I should be less sarcastic and carefully tune myself to complex of arrogance; indeed why make a friendly point when I can prattle on in cavalier and labyrinthine diatribe of the finest sort?

    It's not what you say, rather how you say it. Despite your intention to make a point, and I dare say it was lost somewhere in the middle of your extravagantly over-quoted paragraphs, your resulting impression leaves a sour taste. I don't claim speak for everyone, however your affectations seem nothing more than a crass attempt at derisive imperiousness.

    Annoying, isn't it?
  14. Linc
    Linc Personally, I often find that pointing out typos in forum quotes by obnoxiously typing [sic] after them really helps people respect my opinions more. :)
  15. profdlp
    Personaly [sic], I oftun [sic] find that pointeng [sic] out tipos [sic] in forum quotes by obnockshusly [sic] tiping [sic] after them realily [sic] helps peeple [sic] respect my opinuns [sic] moar [sic]. :)
    Mee, two. ;D
  16. The-Uninvited-Guest
    The-Uninvited-Guest In the month since I have written my response, the best that the forum offers is a trio who can only either (rather mindlessly) point out the fact that I use "[sic]" to indicate that I am quoting an individual verbatim (rather than making, myself, the puerile spelling / grammar errors so quoted), and/or (at best) place thesaurus firmly in lap, search for The One Elusive Synonym to the word "red," and consequently subject me to a fusillade of ineptly employed vocabulary words ("derisive imperiousness" indeed!) while in the same breath hypocritically damning me for using those which exceed four syllables. Par for the course; go to sleep calmly tonight knowing that you're "special" -- not "Carl Sagan" special but rather "Short Bus" special -- and trouble yourselves no longer with the workings of minds whose depths you will never have the capability to plumb. Here's a dum-dum, you... well, you get it.

    I hope.

    Does anyone actually want to address ANY of the points I made -- or are you all here to play "burn the heretic" or "you disagree with me, therefore you must be destroyed?" Am I only to find comments -- worthy of even a cursory examination -- from those who quite literally espouse, in defiance of logic and even a modicum of intelligence, such regurgitated and patently stupid maxims as "It's not what you say, rather how you say it?" One plus one is two, no matter how it's said -- it's up to you to cope with it if its exhibition offends your delicate metrosexual sensibilities. It *IS* what I say. How I say it is something you should discuss with your shrink, your pillow, your hand puppet, or whatever / whomever consoles you when the Real World intrudes upon your drooling utopia.
  17. Thrax
    Thrax Oh, he's back. And he thinks we haven't responded to him because we're incapable. How quaint. :)

    Welcome back.
  18. Xylo
    Xylo Do you still have the item? I'd really be interested in hearing an updated review w/ the latest software...
  19. Leonardo
    Leonardo Please, get back on your meds. You're replying with a THREE AND A HALF YEAR OLD THREAD. For your convenience, you will notice the post dates at the top left margin of each post.

    If you have anything intelligent to contribute, you are certainly invited to register and join our community. :)
    I don't care if you are making payments on your bicycle or if you own it 'outright.' It's irrelevant to a dead, obsolete thread.
  20. primesuspect
  21. Your-Amish-Daddy
    Your-Amish-Daddy So...Why's this guy even here?
  22. primesuspect
    primesuspect entertainment, I guess.
  23. DrLiam
    DrLiam He made a good point about the review and I'm disappointed there was no rebuttal. Even if he was a complete ass about it.
  24. Your-Amish-Daddy
    Your-Amish-Daddy I make good points about all kinds of stuff, but nobody tells me anything. I guess that means weather he liked it or not, no one cared.
  25. the uninvited guest Where's the update? I thought this product wasn't being "written off?"
  26. Tushon
    Where's the update? I thought this product wasn't being "written off?"
    Where's the necromancy?


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