$500. What can you get me.
Living-Dead-Child
Detroit New
I have $500.
primesuspect told me that someone on here would be able to get me these parts for a bare bones system:
Tower Case
500 mhz Power Supply
AMD 3000 processer
Good motherboard (preferable Asus)
1Gig of RAM.
Now, Who wants the money?
Thank you.
primesuspect told me that someone on here would be able to get me these parts for a bare bones system:
Tower Case
500 mhz Power Supply
AMD 3000 processer
Good motherboard (preferable Asus)
1Gig of RAM.
Now, Who wants the money?
Thank you.
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primesuspect said I should try here.
Also, the PSU is measured in watts, not MHZ - just for future reference
Here we go:
http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4833
Let me know if these sound OK and I will begin.
BTW
Welcome aboard!
Do you require any other parts for your system, or will you be carrying over an optical drive, floppy drive, hard disk, video card, etc..?
Next off, what exactly will you be doing with this computer? Any hard-core 3D gaming (ie Half-Life 2, Doom 3, yada yada yada)? This will have a severe impact on what parts you will require.
Make sure to let us know
NF7-S - Great OCer
1800 tbred guarenteed to run at 2.5ghz
512mb Samsung DDR400 - 1gb adds another 100 bucks.
Chenming A2ESW
= $490 USD with the exchange rate.
Unfortunately, I live in Toronto. So there were have to be some driving involved.
RaidMAX Model 268WGP (Green/Silver) 10-Bay Mid-Tower ATX ($27.00)
Antec TruePower 480W PSU ($85.00)
Asus A7N8X NForce2, AGP8x, LAN, Audio, 2xDDR400, USB2 ($93.00)
AMD Athlon XP 3000+ Barton @ 2.1 GHz, 512 KB L2, 400 FSB ($261.00)
Retail AMD Heatsink
512 MB Apacer Value Select PC3200, CAS 3 ($76.75)
512 MB Apacer Value Select PC3200, CAS 3 ($76.75)
Total Price: $619.50 USD
xp2500+ $85
KINGSTON HyperX-3700 (2 x 256) $156
CHIEFTEC Server Chasis (Aluminum Workstation) BLACK w/450Watt (throw away the power supply) $72
ENERMAX EG465P-VE(FM). 460W $79
TOTAL $504
And I will be playing Doom3 and Half-Life 2.
I am going to worry about the video card after the new year.
Thank You
I looked at this case on newegg myself. Why do you suggest throwing away the power supply?
In General, the Power supplies that come along with cases are of marginal quality.
Weak PSUs are one of the top causes of computer instability, but usually the last thing suspected and checked. So to avoid problems a quality PSU was & is suggested
BTW
I realized I had forgotten the HSF:
Thermalright SLK-900A $19.95 + godd 92 MM fan.
With this there is not doubt that you will have a good solid overclocker capable of what folks often spend much more for.
The Thermalright SLK-900A is 37.99, not $19.95. and in the specs it reads that it is compatable with AMD: Athlon XP Palamino, Thoroughbred, and Barton 2800+ and up
and I plan on getting the Athlon XP Barton 2500. I believe this should not make a difffence, as a guess a socket A is a socket A and if it will cool at 2800, it bloody well should cool a 2500. But I wanted to make sure before I shucked out the money.
Also what is "godd"?
The Thermalright is SLK947U is $32
Any SLK version (700, 800, 900, 947) will cool any current Athlon XP (current Max XP 3200+ (2.2ghz))
Ooops!
godd = good
God =
Antec True480w - $85.00
ABIT NF7-S V2.0 - $112.00
AMD Athlon XP 2100 T-bred - $65.00
(2 sticks) Kingston Hyper-X 256mb DDR433 - $132.00
=$484.00 or about $501.00 after shipping
ANTEC Performance PLUS Model PLUS1080AMG- with Antec Original TRUE 430W P4 Power Supply ATX12V Retail $112.00
Thermalright SLK-900-A ( Heatsink ONLY ). $37.99
ANTEC All Clear 80mm SMARTCOOL PLUS Case Fan $16.99
Apacer 512MB DDR PC3200 RAM 32X8 CL=3 (Mosel or Powerchip Chipset) Oem 2 Quanity $153.50
ABIT KD7A ,VIA KT400A chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A ATX RETAIL $78.00
AMD ATHLON XP 2500 "Barton" 333 FSB PROCESSOR CPU- OEM $85.00
For a total of $483.48 Without shipping.
I will order this on Wednesday, if no one replies with a reason why I should not.
Thank you all.
ABit NF7 is a must. If you don't want to spring for that one, go for the Asus A7N8X, but DEFINATELY get an NForce2-powered motherboard. You'll regret it if you don't...
//Edit: You'll enjoy better CPU temperatures if you utilize a 92mm case fan instead of the 80mm case fan.
Why oh why won't you just listen to me?
1. You could save a few $$ on that case by going with either the SX1040BII or the SX835II, either of which would be fine. And yes, a 350w PS is more than big enough, if it's a quality unit (which the Antec is). If you're planning on putting 3+ hard drives and a high end video card in the system, you'll need something bigger. But, for two hard drives and a Radeon 9700 Pro or something, that 350w Antec should be fine... Our CAD/CAM (Radeon 9800 Pros, 1GB PC2700, 2800+, 80GB 7200RPM HD) systems run off Antec SL350s. So do our new servers (P4-2.8Cs w/GF2MX400s, mirrored 80GB HDs, 1GB DDR400, etc.). 350w is big enough for all but the most extreme systems.
2. You're going to need more cooling than the two stock case fans can provide. The cheapest quality fans you'll be able to get from Newegg are the $4.50 Antec ones (Newegg PN N82E16835129027 ). Order 3 if you get the SX1080 Plus or the SX835. If you get the SX1040BII, you'll only need two.
3. That CPU fan is a bad, bad, BAD idea. It's thermally controlled. The thermistor that controls it's speed is built into the fan motor's hub. This means that it's reading the temperature of the air before it reaches the cpu. Which means it will never speed up. Which means that it could potentially cook your CPU. That would be bad. Since the SLK-900 supports 92mm fans, get yourself a Thermaltake 90x90x25mm fan (Newegg's listing is wrong- it's actually 92mm).
4. Quality RAM is a must. That Apacer stuff isn't what I'd call quality RAM. Cough up the extra $$ for Samsung (or at least Samsung chips), Kingston, or Corsair RAM. There's some more expensive Apacer DDR400 with Samsung chips, and I'd get that, unless the Corsair ValueSelect DDR400 for $83 is in stock by Wednesday.
5. Dump the KD7. You won't get much of an overclock out of it (Via chipset), and if you're not overclocking, there's no reason to get a SLK-900. The KD7 is a decent board, but the NF7 is far, far better. I'd recommend a NF7-S, because it's got Serial ATA for newer HDs. The NF7 series overclocks much better than the KD7 does, since the nForce2 chipset is far better suited to overclocking than the KD7. It's also faster at stock speeds than the KD7 will be. Spend the extra $$ for the NF7 or NF7-S.
The total, with the extra fans, an NF7-S, and the upgraded RAM, is a hair over $500- $531.98, to be exact.
HOWEVER, the system you're looking at is a pretty high-end overclocker's/tweaker's system. If you're not looking to overclock your system to insane levels, you don't need PC3200 DDR, or a SLK-900. You could save quite a bit of money by going for more mid-range stuff (e.g. PC2700 and a SLK-800 or SK-7 or something) instead. You wouldn't loose any performance @ stock levels, and you'd still be able to overclock somewhat...
Antec SX835II case
As I stated, for most people, there is no reason to go for a bigger PS than the one this case has. The exceptions would be:
Dual CPUs
and/or
High end graphics card, plus 3 or more hard drives
and/or
5 or more hard drives
Also, the case itself has better cooling than the Antec 10x0 series.
Abit NF7 motherboard
The main difference between the NF7 and the NF7-S is that the -S has serial ATA and firewire. SATA is new enough that it's not a necessity, and few PC users use firewire. So, neither one is terribly important to have, and you'll save some $$ by going with the regular NF7. Besides, if you need the extras later, you can always buy a PCI card...
2x 512MB Buffalo Tech PC2700 DDR
I went with PC2700 because I'm going to assume that you won't be interested in having the highest possible overclock. Since the nForce2 allows asynchronous FSB and RAM speeds, the PC2700 won't hold you back, until you get well above 200MHz on the FSB, which is still a very good OC. Also, the Buffalo RAM has Samsung chips, which are some of the highest-quality chips around.
Athlon XP 2600+ Barton CPU
Newegg has a Barton core 2600+ for a few $ more than the 2500+. The only difference is that the 2600+ runs at 1.9GHz vs. 1.83 for the 2500, and it's $17 more. I figured that for $17, it'd be worth it. However, if you want to save as much as possible, go with the 2500.
Dynatron BH-610 CPU HSF
This is a pretty good little HSF. It's awfully hard to screw up a copper, thin-fin heatsink topped with a 7000rpm Delta fan. The performance on this guy is going to be very good. Not SLK-900 level, but very good nonetheless, and it's significantly cheaper than the SLK. The only drawback is that the Delta 7k fans are pretty loud. This particular one is not unbearable (I had one in my comp. for almost a year, and only took it out to upgrade the heatsink, not because it was too loud), and my dad has one in his computer, as well. My dually had two of them in it, until I upgraded the heatsinks to larger ones... They're louder than normal, but once you've used the computer for a few hours, they just blend into the background noise.
5x Enermax Adjustable 80mm fans
3 fans for the front of the case, plus two more to replace the stock exhaust fans. These guys will keep your computer more than cool enough at their maximum speed, without getting too loud, and they can be turned down if you want something a bit quieter.
Total: $457.99
ANTEC Performance PLUS Model PLUS1080AMG- with Antec Original TRUE 430W P4 Power Supply ATX12V Retail $112.00
Thermaltake 90X90X25mm FAN, 2 Ball Bearing, 2850+/- 10% RPM, 56CFM Air Flow, with 3pin/4pin adapter. Retail. $5.99
Thermalright SLK-900-A ( Heatsink ONLY ). All Copper heat spread. $37.99
ANTEC All Clear PRO 80mm 4 pin Fan for all 80mm Computer Case cooling requirements 3 quanity $12.75
Kingson 512mb (2x256mb) DDR400 PC3200, Model KVR400X64C3AK2/512 2 quanity $202.00
Question: I have a vague idea of what the pc3200, means. Can someone provide a exact defination.
I almost went for the KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 512MB DDR333 (PC2700) 64X64 DDR RAM modules but I figured for and extra $3 apiece, I get the pc3200.
Question: What exactly is 64x64, of 2x256?
Question: What is Latency?
ABIT NF7-S ,nForce2 SPP chipset Support AMD Socket A with 200/266/333 FSB ,8X AGP,SATA 150 ATX motherboard Retail
$112.00
AMD ATHLON XP 2600+ Barton 333MHz FSB PROCESSOR CPU- OEM $99.00
I am going to add a Ati Radion 9800 after the new year.
I may be doing some serious overclocking. When I was a computer tech. overclocking was a matter of changing jumpers on the motherboard. So I am new at modern overclocking. However, I did originally want a 3 gig processer.
So if there is no other objections, and please feel free to object if I am making a mistake, I will order this stuff on Wed.
It is amazing how quicky I betrayed my vision of a $500 computer.
64x64 is some kind of indicator of the size of the chips on the RAM in megabits or something like that... I'm not entirely sure what it stands for, actually...
Latency is basically the response time. Lower is better. Ideally, you'd want a Cas Latency (CL) of 2. However, that kind of latency in DDR400 or faster means it's probably going to be expensive. CL 2.5 is more common in DDR400 and up. What you'd like to avoid (ideally anyhow) is a CL of 3 or greater, which is what a lot of the really cheap DDR modules have.
PC3200 a.k.a. DDR400 is capable of running at 200MHz. DDR400 stands for the effective speed of the RAM (400MHz) and the 3200 stands for the speed in GB/s- 3200 = 3.2GB/s.
--- Basic RAM info ---
So your computer has a frontside bus speed, which is controlled by a clock generator chip somewhere on the board. The clock generator controls the number of oscillations per second that the bus' signal makes.
SDRAM sends data at the peak of each cycle
DDR sends data at the peak and the valley of each cycle
So, at a given speed, DDR runs effectively 2x as fast as SDRAM, which is why PC3200 DDR (200MHz) is sometimes called "400MHz".
DDR speeds:
Type Transfer Rate Effective speed Actual speed
PC4200 4.2GB/s 533MHz 266.5MHz
PC4000 4GB/s 500MHz 250MHz
PC3700 3.7GB/s 466MHz 233MHz
PC3500 3.5GB/s 433MHz 216MHz
PC3200 3.2GB/s 400MHz 200MHz
PC3000 3GB/s 375MHz 188MHz**
PC2700 2.7GB/s 333MHz 166MHz
PC2100 2.1GB/s 266MHz 133MHz
PC1600 1.6GB/s 200MHz 100MHz***
** I've never actually seen PC3000 DDR in use; Newegg lists it, but it's not common.
*** PC1600 is obsolete. It's slow, it's old, and it's no longer in use for the most part.
If you're going to do serious overclocking, then you want the fastest, highest-quality RAM you can get. Since the NF7 won't do more than 250MHz FSB speeds, you don't need anything faster than PC4000 at MOST. However, PC3200, 3500 or 3700 is more than sufficient. Even PC2700 and 2100 will suffice, although they will limit your overclock somewhat.
There's no way you're going to get the best RAM on the market with a $500 budget though- a gig of Corsair XMS PC4000 is $350 in and of itself.
2. Yes, go with the S version since it also has SoundStorm audio not present on the plain NF7.
3. You will regret getting cheap memory!!! I would stick to PC3200 or higher with cas 2 even if it means getting 512 instead of 1 GB.
I was going to post the same thing myself.
Wow!
It took me a few times to realize you posted the 947. Now that is a real killer deal!
Leo,
Once the "U" series are installed do you need to remove the board from the case to remove the HS or is the plate on the bottom pasted to the bottom of the board? Having to remove the board was why I opted for the 800 at the time because I got tired of all the work involved with my Swifty and Aplha HS's.
I suppose that would put less stress on the socket.