How hot is hot?

ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
edited October 2003 in Hardware
Hi all, I guess this is kind of stupid and a newbie question but just like to know how high the termpature can a cpu go without dieing??

Cos i just chng my cpu fan to thermaltale volcano 11+ but is like the termpature still at 56 on idle and 61.5 when i play games. So i'm realli wondering why? Wat's wrong?

My cpu is AMD XP 1700+ (not even OC yet!!!).
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  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    That's too damn hot. And it shouldn't be that hot with a V11, unless the fan is at the minimum fan speed. If it is, turn it up. If not, I can give you some general advice, but to give you a solution to your specific case/system, I'm going to need the following info:

    Case mfr + model (if you can find pix of the case on like newegg or something, so I can take a look at the fan mounts and stuff, that'd be ideal)
    Intake fans- #, size, position & airflow
    Exhaust fans- #, size, position & airflow
  • ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
    edited October 2003
    OK. Thx so much. I'll get back to u soon.. I'll get all the info u need to help me out.

    Cos is like 4.30am here, so i guess i need to go get some rest and will be back here soon.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    You only have to start worrying if it exceeds 70C. Below that, it´s ok but you should be able to knock it down at least 10-15 C with that cooler and some fresh air.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Potential problems to look for (yeah, that is too hot considering your system's CPU, and that it's not even overclocked):

    case ventilation is poor

    CPU heatsink not seated flush on the CPU

    using the stock TIM (sticky pad) between heatsink and CPU

    not using any thermal material between heatsink and CPU

    CPU fan has quit functioning or is below minimum RPM
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Is it safe to have a Barton 2500 @ 2.25 GHz folding 24/7 at 56*C? :)

    I'm not up on Athlon XP maximum/tolerant operating temperatures. :)
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    Safe? Yea.
    Good idea? No.

    Running ANY CPU over 50*C for extended periods makes me extremely nervous. The max. die temperature is generally higher than 60*C, but I don't like running things that hot. I'd suggest you upgrade your HSF, simguy.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    It's getting an SLK-900U @ christmas. Until then... it can heat my room. The money saved in heating bills can help pay for the heatsink. :)

    I'm surprised it's that hot though, as the HSF on it is a Vantec Aeroflow. I guess it won't work too well considering I just stuck it on with that damned thermal pad. :)

    I'll AS3 is a little later on.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    It shouldn't get that hot with the aeroflow. Maybe it's clogged with dust? What's your case ventillation like?
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    SimGuy had this to say
    Is it safe to have a Barton 2500 @ 2.25 GHz folding 24/7 at 56*C? :)

    I'm not up on Athlon XP maximum/tolerant operating temperatures. :)

    I run my Bart...Thorton 24/7 folding at over 60c peak, 58 during the coldest time of the day. And i do have the crappiest fan/hs in teh world. But only for a week or 2 more. 3 blocks is arriving shortly from Swiftech.

    /me pats his REAL Barton next to him, talking nicely to her and asks her to perform well
  • BDRBDR
    edited October 2003
    Mine's at stock and folding 24/7. It's at 46C right now, ansd it's got a crappy thermaltake on it right now.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Nice avatar BDR :)

    I just tried to up your volume on your player in teh sig. Didn´t work. :P
  • BDRBDR
    edited October 2003
    Mackanz had this to say
    Nice avatar BDR :)

    I just tried to up your volume on your player in teh sig. Didn´t work. :P

    Thanks Mack. I made the avi some time ago. It's my "blue princess".

    ;D Then the player looks pretty real, huh?

    (sorry about the OT)
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    It shouldn't get that hot with the aeroflow. Maybe it's clogged with dust? What's your case ventillation like?

    It's an Antec LanBoy with 2 80mm Delta Black-Label screamers installed. The system was put together a month ago and the HSF is completely dust free.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    Strange. Is the top of the case warm to the touch after it's been on for a while?
  • DogSoldierDogSoldier The heart of radical Amish country..
    edited October 2003
    I think anything over 300 degrees celsius is pushing it....
  • tychotycho Santa Barbara, California!
    edited October 2003
    Simguy, I have the same proc running with the stock heatsink and fan and it was running at about 53C full load, at 2.1 GHz. I would bet if i put it up to 2.2G or so it would hit about 56C... yeah so anyways sounds about right
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    Strange. Is the top of the case warm to the touch after it's been on for a while?

    OMG yes. It's hot enough to be a space heater up there. :)
    I'm thinking of putting a blowhole in the top, but that's after I recouperate from the last "modding" accident...

    The dremel cutting disc @ 2500 RPM kinda hit my hand... and the rest is a very bloody tale :)
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    1. It needs a blowhole.
    2. It's gonna need more intake fans too, to compensate for the air going out of the blowhole
    3. A pair of Mechanix gloves is a good thing to wear when using a dremel. Barring those, leather gardening gloves will work. Basically, any leather glove will be fine, but I always wear some kind of leather glove when I use a dremel.
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    If you need to go out and buy compound for your hsf, buy some of hte new ceramic loaded stuff. It has been used in high power electronics for years and works great. (the old versions were very thick and coarse, but you could cook them).

    One thing to watch out for is how the temp is being measured. If ti is thermister under the cpu 50c should be about the limit. This should translate to 60-65c on hte die. At least that is what I have seen. I consider these as upper limits.
  • ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
    edited October 2003
    Geeky1 had this to say
    That's too damn hot. And it shouldn't be that hot with a V11, unless the fan is at the minimum fan speed. If it is, turn it up. If not, I can give you some general advice, but to give you a solution to your specific case/system, I'm going to need the following info:

    Case mfr + model (if you can find pix of the case on like newegg or something, so I can take a look at the fan mounts and stuff, that'd be ideal)
    Intake fans- #, size, position & airflow
    Exhaust fans- #, size, position & airflow

    Sorry, my case is some dumb brand call I-cute. Not sure of the model.

    As for the intake fans and exhaust fans, I'm not sure how to give u the info... I realli newbie to his... So maybe u can explain abit on it? Thanks.
  • BDRBDR
    edited October 2003
    Is it one of these models?
  • ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
    edited October 2003
    Mine looks almost the same.
    http://www.casepower.com.tw/eng/html/gb_htm/g.htm
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    Your case has some mounting points for fans, right? Either snap-in holders or a place where you can screw a fan in or something, right?

    What I need to know is how many of those there are in the front of the case, how many there are in the back of the case, how many of them are filled, if they're filled, the manufacturer and model of the fan would be helpful (usually found on a sticker in the center of the fan).

    If that case that you linked to is like yours in terms of the number of fan spaces it has, you should probably buy a new case, although you could try modifying that one.
  • ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
    edited October 2003
    Front i got one and back also one. Brand of fan unknown type.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    Well then it's probably time to either mod the case or get a new one. Standard, generic 80x25mm case fans (which is what they are, if they fit in that case) flow ~30CFM, give or take 5 or so either way. That's not enough for a modern (read: Athlon or P4) system. The reason your CPU temperature is as high as it is is because of inadequate case ventillation. In your power supply thread, you posted a screenshot and the system temperature was what, 39*C? That's slightly over 100*F, and that's just the air temperature in the case. That temperature shouldn't be more than 5-10*F above room temperature, if the case is properly ventillated.

    If you've got access to some tools, you could modify the case to take some more fans, or you could just get a new one. You have any idea which one you'd prefer? I can recommend a new case, or I can give you some tips on modifying yours (or both, if you'd like...), depending on what you want to do.
  • ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
    edited October 2003
    Both. Thx SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!
  • shwaipshwaip bluffin' with my muffin Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    here's a good read for airflow (mmm...front page)

    http://www.short-media.com/article.php?111.0
  • ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
    edited October 2003
    Read it... I guess i really need to get a new case.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited October 2003
    Ok, the red circles are over the old fan grills. You'll need to cut those out with a dremel or a 3" hole saw.

    The blue squares represent blowholes. The one at the top is a top blowhole, the one on the side is a blowhole on the side of the case. As to the size of the blowhole, I'd recommend 2 80mm, 92mm, or 120mm fans on the side panel, stacked so that one blows on the CPU area, and one blows on the PCI/AGP slot area, and two 80mm or 1 92/120mm fans at the top.

    Now I'm off to find a good off-the-shelf case...
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  • ViCiOuSViCiOuS Singapore
    edited October 2003
    Thx so much. :)
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