ourlove2802 had this to say Alright, I downloaded the folding at home program but I'm not sure if I set it up right. I am going to have it at home and at work. What do I need to do to be a functioning member of the team? Folding seems like a great cause as my grandfather has parkinson's that has made his life difficult. He is my best friend and anything I can do to help is a wonderful thing.
Oh, I think that I will look into a HDTV eventually but I will probably get a nice, big moinitor for now.
to become a team member all you have to do is use team number 93 and you are in! You should consult the link that drasnor posted to get an idea of what settings to use in the configuration.
Yeah, he's getting the Antec PP1080 soho file server case. It ought to come with a True430, and I should know because I have one. It houses my sick Athlon MP machine.
It's a great case, exept it weighs a good deal. You won't want to move it around much. Don't forget to clean the air filter regularly.
csimon had this to say don't know how you feel about refurbished equipment but it'd be a shame to pass up on this AIW 9800pro128 @ $280.50 shipped newegg deal ...
haha, I posted that already, it doesnt come with any software or accessories (ie. remote) ... *high five* for not reading the details like me :P
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited November 2003
csimon had this to say don't know how you feel about refurbished equipment but it'd be a shame to pass up on this AIW 9800pro128 @ $280.50 shipped newegg deal ...
Covered already since it doesn't have the software disc that you need as well as a remote and all the little goodies that help with using the AIW part.
In my experience, all floppy drives are created equal. Get one that matches your case (black bezel). I've got a brown one that came out of a 286, and a little oil and a thorough dusting later it's making disks just as well as any I've found in late-model PC's.
-drasnor
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited November 2003
csimon had this to say LOL ...sorry ...how about hsf?
Even though I just bought the slk-947u for myself I would highly recommend the Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu
Yup, he's got that covered too! You might have started him down this troublesome path but we made sure to finish him off in grand style.
csimon had this to say don't know how you feel about refurbished equipment but it'd be a shame to pass up on this AIW 9800pro128 @ $280.50 shipped newegg deal ...
Seriously, that isn't what I would call a GREAT deal. It's good, but not great. By the time you buy all the neccessary cables, remote, and whatnots you'd be better off not buying it.
csimon had this to say LOL ...sorry ...how about hsf?
Even though I just bought the slk-947u for myself I would highly recommend the Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu
The P4 that ourlove2082 is purchasing is retail: it comes with a copper-core based AVC SunFlower cooler (the retail P4 cooler), which is surprising damned good at cooling. Sure, it's no SLK-900 or Zalman, but even for mild overclocking, the retail P4 heatsink is pretty good.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited November 2003
Who said he was getting a P4?
The only P4s that are faster than the AXP are the 3.0 and 3.2GHz models. They are not faster enough (great grammar there ) to justify the huge price difference between them and the AMD Athlon XPs.
i wouldnt get a 9600 pro, thats a rip if you ask me. Just get a 9800 pro 128 card. And i'd stick to AXPs ... dont get an A64 until the 939 pin chips and motherboards come out next year. As for a DVD burner... Any fast DVD-R drive would be fine, or for dual media writers... i love my Sony +/-RW
I just built this system to replace my dad's old system.
Part Description Price
CPU AMD XP 2200+ $61.31
CPU Cooler Thermalright SLK-900a $37.99
Cooler fan Vantec 92mm ThermoFlow $15.99
Motherboard Chaintech Apogee 7NJL1 $96.00
Memory 2x256MB Corsair XMS PC3200 $106.00
Hard Drive Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache ATA133 $61.87
Video Card Visiontek GeForce 4 ti4400 128MB $83.80
CDRW Drive Lite-On 48x/24x/48x/16x $59.99
Floopy Drive Mitsumi black floppy drive $8.00
Monitor NEC MultiSync 1760V black $399.00
Speakers Creative Labe Inspire 5.1 5300 $49.20
Keyboard/ Mouse Logitech Cordless Elite Duo $38.45
Case X-Alien Turbo Case w/ 420w power supply $120.00
TV Tuner Leadtek Winfast TV2000XP Deluxe $46.00
Card Reader In-Win Card Reader black $26.00
Total $1,209.60
All price include shipping charges and tax where applicable.
I only overclocked it slightly becuase stabilty was the most important factor seeing how I don't live with my parents and won't be there if something goes wrong. So in the end I ended up letting it run at a nice even 2.0Ghz (10x200). You can save money by taking somethings out (like the tuner card or card reader if you don't want those options) and then channel those funds into something more useful, like a better video card. Or you can save money on the monitor with a CRT.
Thank you all so much for your help. I will keep you posted on my progress and probably start a "how do I" construction thread before too long. Keep up the good work!
Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
Ok, this took me a while longer than I had expected, because I've been busy, but I just configured a system for one of my teachers; this would be a good start for a midrange system that you do not plan on overclocking a huge amount (all parts, prices from Newegg): Cases (Computer Cases, ATX Form)
Antec Performance Series II Mid Tower Case With 350W Power Supply,Model: SX835II,Retail.
N82E16811129119 $82.00
CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
Lite On LTR-52327S Beige 52x32x52 CD-RW Drive,Retail
N82E16827106198 $39.99
CD/DVD ROM Drives
LITE-ON 16X DVD ROM Drive XJ-HD166/XJ-HD 165H - Retail
N82E16827131113 $32.99
Cooling Device - RAM Heatspreaders/Heatsinks
Zalman ZM80A-HP Cooler for GPU (Graphics Processing Unit, a.k.a. Video Chipset) that utilizes a heatpipe. -
N82E16835118210 $24.99
Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
Thermaltake Volcano 11+ Xaser Edition,Opti-fin technology, made of All Copper.
N82E16835106031 $28.99
Thermaltake SMART CASE FAN II
Variable Fan Speed Control, by temperature sensor.
N82E16835999111 $8.99, $8.9 ea.@2+, $8.8 ea.@3+, $8.7 ea.@5+ x5 $43.50
Floppy Drives
SAMSUNG SFD321B/LEB 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, OEM Driver Only
N82E16821103202 $6.00
Hard Drives
MAXTOR 160GB 7200RPM IDE, OEM
Model: 6Y160P0
Capacity: 160GB
Average Seek Time: ≤9.3ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA133
N82E16822137132 $127.50
Memory (System Memory)
Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail
Cas Latency: 2.5-4-4
Support Voltage: 2.6V
N82E16820146219 $85.00
Motherboard
MSI KT6 Motherboard for AMD Processors Model Delta-LSR Retail
Chipset:Via KT600 + VT8237
FSB:200/266/333/400 MHz
RAM:3x DDR400/DDR333/DDR266/DDR200 Max3GB
IDE:2x Ultra DMA133/100/66 up to 4 Devices
SATA: Support 2 serial ATA
Slots:1x AGP8X/4X 1.5v, and 5x PCI 32-bit and
Ports:2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,8xUSB2.0(Rear 6/Front 2),1xLAN, and Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: 6 Channel Codec, C-Media 9739A
Onboard LAN: Broadcom 4401 10/100 MBS more info>
N82E16813130428 $73.99
for the amd system he was looking at the A64 3200+ , which i think may be a better choice. i mean if you're building a gaming machine, might as well go for the best!
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
Budget is $1500 or less; for that much, he'd be better off with a gig of XMS RAM, an overclocked barton, and a 9800 XT.
Alright, I got the green light from one of my customers and this is what I have come up with for their budget...
A+GPB CA-3688(Silver) Mid ATX Tower Case with 400W
Power Suppy and USB 2.0 - Retail.
Specification:
Form Factor: ATX
Color: Silver
Material: Steel
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 4/0, 3.5" x 2/3 (external/internal)
Expansion Slot: 7
Front Ports: 2 USB 2.0
Power Supply: P4ATX400W
Cooling System: None
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX/MICRO ATX/AT
Dimensions: 200(W) x 350(H) x 440(D)
Special Features: Not specified more info>
N82E16811192003 $29.00
$29.00
CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
Lite On Black 52x32x52 CD-RW Drive, Model
LTR-52327S, OEM
Specifications:
Write Speed: 52X CD-R,32X CD-RW
Read Speed: 52X CD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows 95/98/NT/ME/XP/2000
Features: Innovated SMART-BURN technology
Remark: OEM pack (see pictures for details) more info>
N82E16827106197 $37.00
$37.00
CPU Thermal Paste / Grease
Cooler Master Thermal Compounds,Model:PTK-001.
Features:
Color: Gray
Viscosity: 1700 Poise
Density: Over 2.0@20
Thermal Conductivity: 6.8 W/mK
Temp Usage: -50C to 170C
Storage Temperature: Under 10C more info>
N82E16835100101 $4.99
$4.9 ea.@2+
$4.8 ea.@5+
$4.75 ea.@10+
$4.99
Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
►ON SALE!
Antec All Clear PRO 80mm 4 pin Fan for all 80mm
Computer Case cooling requirements.
Specification:
Compatibility: Case
Dimensions: 80mm
Nominal Speed(RPM): 2600
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 34
Max Pressure: 0.12 inch H2O
Heat Sink Material: N/A
Rated Voltage: 12 VDC
Noise(dBA): 30
more info>
N82E16835129027 $5.50
$4.25 ea.@2+
$4 ea.@5+
$3.75 ea.@10+
$5.50
AeroCool Copper CPU Cooler for Socket
A/478,Model:Extreme.
Specification:
Compatibility: Socket A/478
Dimensions: Heatsink-63x70x31(mm),Fan-80x80x25(mm)
Bearing Type: Sleeve
Nominal Speed(RPM): 2600
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 34
Max Pressure: Unknown
Heat Sink Material: Copper
Rated Voltage: 12V DC
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 30
Special Features: Supporter of "Silence Solution". more
connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®8.1, OpenGL®1.3
Cable/Accessories: RCA Cable, Driver CD, Manual
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details) more info>
N82E16814131226 $52.00
$52.00
Extend my Standard Warranty on the above qualified
items: $23.79
Subtotal » $396.48
Shipping and Handling Charge »
Tax Instruction for All Resellers How Newegg.com
calculates shipping $ 26.00
Grand Total » $ 422.48
I know I am going very minimalist here but I this is a first shot at econo-building. Does anybody see any holes or conflicts that I have missed?
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited January 2004
That case is going to need some work, and the PS worries me. Give me a while (~3hrs) and I'll see what I can come up with...
Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited January 2004
Those fan grills have got to go. They're on a number of generic cases, and I hate them. I absolutely hate them. They restrict >50% of the fan's airflow, and they create a hell of a lot of noise. They're easy to remove, either with a dremel or a 3" hole saw, but they still have to go. If you want to replace them, get some of the wire fan grills, but those things simply cannot stay.
Comments
http://www.short-media.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14
-drasnor
It's a great case, exept it weighs a good deal. You won't want to move it around much. Don't forget to clean the air filter regularly.
-drasnor
haha, I posted that already, it doesnt come with any software or accessories (ie. remote) ... *high five* for not reading the details like me :P
Even though I just bought the slk-947u for myself I would highly recommend the Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu
-drasnor
Seriously, that isn't what I would call a GREAT deal. It's good, but not great. By the time you buy all the neccessary cables, remote, and whatnots you'd be better off not buying it.
The P4 that ourlove2082 is purchasing is retail: it comes with a copper-core based AVC SunFlower cooler (the retail P4 cooler), which is surprising damned good at cooling. Sure, it's no SLK-900 or Zalman, but even for mild overclocking, the retail P4 heatsink is pretty good.
The only P4s that are faster than the AXP are the 3.0 and 3.2GHz models. They are not faster enough (great grammar there
You'd be better off getting an Athlon XP system.
DVD writer, best to date.
Part Description Price
CPU AMD XP 2200+ $61.31
CPU Cooler Thermalright SLK-900a $37.99
Cooler fan Vantec 92mm ThermoFlow $15.99
Motherboard Chaintech Apogee 7NJL1 $96.00
Memory 2x256MB Corsair XMS PC3200 $106.00
Hard Drive Maxtor 80GB 7200rpm 8MB cache ATA133 $61.87
Video Card Visiontek GeForce 4 ti4400 128MB $83.80
CDRW Drive Lite-On 48x/24x/48x/16x $59.99
Floopy Drive Mitsumi black floppy drive $8.00
Monitor NEC MultiSync 1760V black $399.00
Speakers Creative Labe Inspire 5.1 5300 $49.20
Keyboard/ Mouse Logitech Cordless Elite Duo $38.45
Case X-Alien Turbo Case w/ 420w power supply $120.00
TV Tuner Leadtek Winfast TV2000XP Deluxe $46.00
Card Reader In-Win Card Reader black $26.00
Total $1,209.60
All price include shipping charges and tax where applicable.
I only overclocked it slightly becuase stabilty was the most important factor seeing how I don't live with my parents and won't be there if something goes wrong. So in the end I ended up letting it run at a nice even 2.0Ghz (10x200). You can save money by taking somethings out (like the tuner card or card reader if you don't want those options) and then channel those funds into something more useful, like a better video card. Or you can save money on the monitor with a CRT.
Threads are always here even if they aren't on the first page as you see in each forum.
Cases (Computer Cases, ATX Form)
Antec Performance Series II Mid Tower Case With 350W Power Supply,Model: SX835II,Retail.
N82E16811129119 $82.00
CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
Lite On LTR-52327S Beige 52x32x52 CD-RW Drive,Retail
N82E16827106198 $39.99
CD/DVD ROM Drives
LITE-ON 16X DVD ROM Drive XJ-HD166/XJ-HD 165H - Retail
N82E16827131113 $32.99
Cooling Device - RAM Heatspreaders/Heatsinks
Zalman ZM80A-HP Cooler for GPU (Graphics Processing Unit, a.k.a. Video Chipset) that utilizes a heatpipe. -
N82E16835118210 $24.99
Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
Thermaltake Volcano 11+ Xaser Edition,Opti-fin technology, made of All Copper.
N82E16835106031 $28.99
Thermaltake SMART CASE FAN II
Variable Fan Speed Control, by temperature sensor.
N82E16835999111 $8.99, $8.9 ea.@2+, $8.8 ea.@3+, $8.7 ea.@5+
x5 $43.50
Floppy Drives
SAMSUNG SFD321B/LEB 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, OEM Driver Only
N82E16821103202 $6.00
Hard Drives
MAXTOR 160GB 7200RPM IDE, OEM
Model: 6Y160P0
Capacity: 160GB
Average Seek Time: ≤9.3ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA133
N82E16822137132 $127.50
Memory (System Memory)
Mushkin 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail
Cas Latency: 2.5-4-4
Support Voltage: 2.6V
N82E16820146219 $85.00
Motherboard
MSI KT6 Motherboard for AMD Processors Model Delta-LSR Retail
Chipset:Via KT600 + VT8237
FSB:200/266/333/400 MHz
RAM:3x DDR400/DDR333/DDR266/DDR200 Max3GB
IDE:2x Ultra DMA133/100/66 up to 4 Devices
SATA: Support 2 serial ATA
Slots:1x AGP8X/4X 1.5v, and 5x PCI 32-bit and
Ports:2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,8xUSB2.0(Rear 6/Front 2),1xLAN, and Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: 6 Channel Codec, C-Media 9739A
Onboard LAN: Broadcom 4401 10/100 MBS more info>
N82E16813130428 $73.99
Processor
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
N82E16819103379 $90.00
Video Card
CONNECT3D ATI RADEON 9600 128MB DDR DVI+TV RETAIL
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9600/325MHz
Memory/Effective Speed:128MB DDR/400MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
N82E16814142012 $115.00
Subtotal » $749.95
Now, what would I suggest upgrading on there if you wanted to spend more?
Motherboard- ABIT NF7-S
Video Card- ATi Radeon 9600 Pro, 9600 XT, 9700, 9700 Pro, 9800, or 9800 Pro would all be viable upgrades
RAM- Another 512MB of RAM would be ideal
Heatsink- The Volcano 11 is a decent heatsink for a stock CPU, but you'd be better off with a Thermalright SLK-800 or 900 if you want to overclock.
A+GPB CA-3688(Silver) Mid ATX Tower Case with 400W
Power Suppy and USB 2.0 - Retail.
Specification:
Form Factor: ATX
Color: Silver
Material: Steel
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 4/0, 3.5" x 2/3 (external/internal)
Expansion Slot: 7
Front Ports: 2 USB 2.0
Power Supply: P4ATX400W
Cooling System: None
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX/MICRO ATX/AT
Dimensions: 200(W) x 350(H) x 440(D)
Special Features: Not specified more info>
N82E16811192003 $29.00
$29.00
CD/DVD Burners (RW Drives)
Lite On Black 52x32x52 CD-RW Drive, Model
LTR-52327S, OEM
Specifications:
Write Speed: 52X CD-R,32X CD-RW
Read Speed: 52X CD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows 95/98/NT/ME/XP/2000
Features: Innovated SMART-BURN technology
Remark: OEM pack (see pictures for details) more info>
N82E16827106197 $37.00
$37.00
CPU Thermal Paste / Grease
Cooler Master Thermal Compounds,Model:PTK-001.
Features:
Color: Gray
Viscosity: 1700 Poise
Density: Over 2.0@20
Thermal Conductivity: 6.8 W/mK
Temp Usage: -50C to 170C
Storage Temperature: Under 10C more info>
N82E16835100101 $4.99
$4.9 ea.@2+
$4.8 ea.@5+
$4.75 ea.@10+
$4.99
Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)
►ON SALE!
Antec All Clear PRO 80mm 4 pin Fan for all 80mm
Computer Case cooling requirements.
Specification:
Compatibility: Case
Dimensions: 80mm
Nominal Speed(RPM): 2600
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 34
Max Pressure: 0.12 inch H2O
Heat Sink Material: N/A
Rated Voltage: 12 VDC
Noise(dBA): 30
more info>
N82E16835129027 $5.50
$4.25 ea.@2+
$4 ea.@5+
$3.75 ea.@10+
$5.50
AeroCool Copper CPU Cooler for Socket
A/478,Model:Extreme.
Specification:
Compatibility: Socket A/478
Dimensions: Heatsink-63x70x31(mm),Fan-80x80x25(mm)
Bearing Type: Sleeve
Nominal Speed(RPM): 2600
Max Air Flow:(CFM): 34
Max Pressure: Unknown
Heat Sink Material: Copper
Rated Voltage: 12V DC
Connector: 3 Pin
Noise(dBA): 30
Special Features: Supporter of "Silence Solution". more
info>
N82E16835183106 $37.99
$37.99
Memory (System Memory)
Crucial 184 Pin 512MB ECC DDR PC-3200 - OEM
Specification
Manufacturer: Crucial
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 64M x 72 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime more info>
N82E16820146534 $120.00
$120.00
Motherboards - AMD
ASRock SiS746FX Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU, Model "K7S8X R3.0" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket 462 AMD Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP
Processors
Chipset: SiS 746FX
FSB: 200/266/333MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 3/2/1GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 66/100/133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 4X/8X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,4xUSB2.0,1xLAN,1xGAME,Audio
Ports
Onboard Audio: 5.1-Channel AC97 Codec
Onboard LAN: 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
Form Factor: ATX more info>
N82E16813157015 $47.00
$47.00
Processors
AMD Athlon XP 2100+, 266 MHz FSB, 256K Cache
Processor - OEM
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2100+
Core: Thoroughbred
Operating Frequency: 1.73GHz
FSB: 266MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only) more info>
N82E16819103370 $63.00
$63.00
Video Cards
POWERCOLOR RADEON 9200SE Video Card, 64MB DDR,
64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "R92LE-B3S" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: RADEON 9200SE/200MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 64MB DDR/333MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(Composite Out)+DVI
connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®8.1, OpenGL®1.3
Cable/Accessories: RCA Cable, Driver CD, Manual
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details) more info>
N82E16814131226 $52.00
$52.00
Extend my Standard Warranty on the above qualified
items: $23.79
Subtotal » $396.48
Shipping and Handling Charge »
Tax Instruction for All Resellers How Newegg.com
calculates shipping $ 26.00
Grand Total » $ 422.48
I know I am going very minimalist here but I this is a first shot at econo-building. Does anybody see any holes or conflicts that I have missed?