The TCS makes the JGTC Supras and their overwhelming power controllable in GT3, but they still can't hang with the Toyota, Nissan, or Mazda Le Mans cars. That 787B is pretty devastating to anything below the formula cars.
ok, enough of my bad 'tude...
i was getting my arse handed to me by a Ford Falcon... Skyline (R32) wasn't getting the job done in the French mountains... picked the smaller Opel and smashed that Falcon... yahhhh. I didn't like the 350z or the RX-8, but I thought the Toyota MR-S was very smooth.
ok, pick one... MR-2 Turbo vs Mitsu EVO VII vs Mustang SVT
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
MR-2. Mid-engine, lightweight, fairly fast.
The SVT is *almost* a joke. I don't like regular mustangs all that much, and except for the new supercharged Cobra, the SVT version isn't all that much better.
The Evo is just too heavy and unbalanced to keep up with the MR-2
whew, thank goodness, I thought it was just me... MR-2 is decent, the SVT is awful, and Los Americanos rides are just (like panzerkw says) "a joke"... yep, love me some GT3.
EDIT: Seriously, when you win one of the Formula cars, nothing else in the game can touch you. Until you try the Formula GT championship. That is one of the most serious racing game challenges I've ever dealt with.
my closest cousin and I love road racing games... GT series and NSU (he got it for his b-day 2 weeks ago)... he likes the F1 cars on GT3 the most... I have to learn how to control those cars.
which is best, Toyota prototype race vs F1 car on gt3?
Like I said, nothing can touch any of the F1 cars, even the super Le Mans cars (Toyota GT-One, Nissan R390, Mazda 787B, etc).
Not counting the F1 cars, which are in a class by themselves, the Toyota F1 is probably the 2nd fastest car in the game behind the 787B.
EDIT: Probably THE fastest car in the entire game is the F094/S, a stunning F1 car that I also believed has the highest resale value in the game ($875,000). Once you master this beast even the other F1 cars are cake in Formula GT. It does take a little time to get it though because it's touchy. But that touchiness is what makes it so fast on the circuit.
Top speed wise it can't hang really (mine maxes out at 215MPH on a circuit setup) but it can make turns 20-50MPH faster than any other non-F1 car, and it's acceleration is amazing.
More EDIT:
Just to show an example, I'm gonna take my Toyota GT One and F094/S on Tokyo R246 and show the time differences, brb
I cant wait to win a F1 racer... my cousin said the thing u did, "... nothing can touch you in a F1..." I used to have F1 championship for PS1... long time ago.
I like the WRX, but I love the Skyline... love at first drive in GT1... but I lust the Porsche 911 turbo!
Hrm, I'm going to have to take both cars to Laguna Seca and see for myself, cause the Z06 should get stomped by the Viper (speaking of the stock vehicles), brb...
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
I don't think so. I've always liked the Z06 better. It's much happier being driven fast. The viper is fast in a straight line, but turning is a no-go. The Corvette practically lives for corners.
//Edit
You also might try the Mercedes... I don't remember which ones (except the CL600) are in GTA3, but I can tell you this:
Push it really hard, and it'll respond. In my experience, both in real life and in racing simulations, Mercedes respond very well to being pushed. They don't seem like they're as capable as they really are.
However, none of the 'Benzes in the game will keep up with a Z06 or a Viper, I don't think.
vette handles well? pffff, puh_leez. i mean, dont get me wrong, de+roi+ muscle is king... but everytime i raced a viper against a vette in gt3, the viper kicked the snot out of the vette... at laguna, the special stage route courses, test track was close because they both can flat out run... viper is quicker.
Euro rides... not a big fan of the Benz... BMWs are aight... RUF is king!
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
ze... the vette handles extraordinarily well. Far better, in fact, than the Skyline. The problem is that most people can't control the 'Vette (or the viper, for that matter)
Power-on oversteer is your friend. The problem is that most people have a much harder time controlling oversteer than they do understeer. Learn to get the 'Vette to oversteer in a controlled fashion, and you'll have no trouble keeping up with a Skyline GTR-V.
Ok, Laguna Seca, racing both cars straight from the shop using grip racing:
Corvette Z06: best 1:33.843
Viper GTS: best 1:34.018
Midfield Raceway
Corvette: 1:22.685
Viper: 1:21.951
Conclusion: The Viper didn't stomp on the Corvette. The Corvette is much more agile, but the Viper is a tad faster on acceleration to top speed.
And for giggles, here's the F094/S times:
Laguna: 1:02.851
Midfield: 0:54.952
Untouchable.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited December 2003
Stock, yeah... the Viper is a bit faster. That Corvette will put out like 750hp or more, as I recall (I haven't played GTA3 in a few months). With that kind of power, it's faster than even the race-prepped Vipers.
Geeky1 and panzerkw, I applaud your outstanding knowledge of my fav game/race series.
G1, you have hit it right in the head... I must learn how to handle rear wheel drive cars... I usually run with the Supra, RX-7, MR2 turbo, RUF, 300 Fairlady Z... "power without control, is nothing."
also, I just really like being able to drop the hammer on all 4 wheels = skyline love.
panzerkw, nice work with testing the cars, and the data... can't wait to hear the results...
Yeah the only problem with the 4WD is that you get understeer as you accelerate out of the corner. But I just use the VCD device to bias some of the torque into the rear wheels. The Skylines that I have used usually have a 20% 80% bias front/rear. It's enough to give that extra stability but not quite enough to induce all that understeer when you're accelerating out of a corner. The JGTC Skylines (Calsonic, Pennzoil, etc) are all rear wheel drive machines.
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i was getting my arse handed to me by a Ford Falcon... Skyline (R32) wasn't getting the job done in the French mountains... picked the smaller Opel and smashed that Falcon... yahhhh. I didn't like the 350z or the RX-8, but I thought the Toyota MR-S was very smooth.
ok, pick one... MR-2 Turbo vs Mitsu EVO VII vs Mustang SVT
The SVT is *almost* a joke. I don't like regular mustangs all that much, and except for the new supercharged Cobra, the SVT version isn't all that much better.
The Evo is just too heavy and unbalanced to keep up with the MR-2
ok, how about the WRX vs IS300 vs AUDI TT?
EDIT: Seriously, when you win one of the Formula cars, nothing else in the game can touch you. Until you try the Formula GT championship. That is one of the most serious racing game challenges I've ever dealt with.
which is best, Toyota prototype race vs F1 car on gt3?
Not counting the F1 cars, which are in a class by themselves, the Toyota F1 is probably the 2nd fastest car in the game behind the 787B.
EDIT: Probably THE fastest car in the entire game is the F094/S, a stunning F1 car that I also believed has the highest resale value in the game ($875,000). Once you master this beast even the other F1 cars are cake in Formula GT. It does take a little time to get it though because it's touchy. But that touchiness is what makes it so fast on the circuit.
Top speed wise it can't hang really (mine maxes out at 215MPH on a circuit setup) but it can make turns 20-50MPH faster than any other non-F1 car, and it's acceleration is amazing.
More EDIT:
Just to show an example, I'm gonna take my Toyota GT One and F094/S on Tokyo R246 and show the time differences, brb
I like the WRX, but I love the Skyline... love at first drive in GT1... but I lust the Porsche 911 turbo!
ok, American rides... viper vs vette?
Both were done with the cars at their stock power settings,
Toyota 651bhp - best 1:29:406 top speed 191mph
F094/S 812bhp - best 1:14:799 top speed 214mph
Viper vs Vette, Viper wins because of it's higher power and cleaner lines, and fatter tires.
//Edit
You also might try the Mercedes... I don't remember which ones (except the CL600) are in GTA3, but I can tell you this:
Push it really hard, and it'll respond. In my experience, both in real life and in racing simulations, Mercedes respond very well to being pushed. They don't seem like they're as capable as they really are.
However, none of the 'Benzes in the game will keep up with a Z06 or a Viper, I don't think.
Euro rides... not a big fan of the Benz... BMWs are aight... RUF is king!
Power-on oversteer is your friend. The problem is that most people have a much harder time controlling oversteer than they do understeer. Learn to get the 'Vette to oversteer in a controlled fashion, and you'll have no trouble keeping up with a Skyline GTR-V.
Corvette Z06: best 1:33.843
Viper GTS: best 1:34.018
Midfield Raceway
Corvette: 1:22.685
Viper: 1:21.951
Conclusion: The Viper didn't stomp on the Corvette. The Corvette is much more agile, but the Viper is a tad faster on acceleration to top speed.
And for giggles, here's the F094/S times:
Laguna: 1:02.851
Midfield: 0:54.952
Untouchable.
G1, you have hit it right in the head... I must learn how to handle rear wheel drive cars... I usually run with the Supra, RX-7, MR2 turbo, RUF, 300 Fairlady Z... "power without control, is nothing."
also, I just really like being able to drop the hammer on all 4 wheels = skyline love.
panzerkw, nice work with testing the cars, and the data... can't wait to hear the results...