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Five reasons why you don’t actually need a Mac

Five reasons why you don’t actually need a Mac

From syncing with all your hip devices to the chic style society has come to value, the allure of the Mac is obvious. All of your friends are talking about how great they are, how well they work, and how much better they are than those frumpy old PCs you used to have.

There is, of course, that small issue of the large premiums to be paid over a regular laptop, but it’s worth it, right? Surely a Mac is such a superior and more reliable product that any additional cost is completely understandable?

Wrong.

You don’t need a Mac. You can get identical–if not superior–quality and features for far less money if you buy a PC instead.

PCs are more reliable

Everyone has heard Apple’s legendary “they just work” campaign, a message intended to craft a reputation for quality and reliability. That message has done well by Apple, but it’s also completely bogus.

According to a recent study on laptop reliability, Apple laptops failed more frequently than ones from Toshiba, Asus and Sony. You can say that fourth place ain’t half bad, but it clearly debunks the notion that Macs “just work” better than PCs.

Identical hardware

A Mac’s pricetag creates the expectation of unique and superior hardware, but it’s a thoroughly false expectation. A Mac’s hardware is no different from that of a PC: their 2005 defection to Intel put them on the level with any computer you can buy.

PCs offer more options

Though Apple offers a complete range of Mac products, it’s still only one company. Relative to the number of PC manufacturers, Apple simply can’t offer the same product diversity.

There’s a strong probability that any features or form factor you desire can be found in the PC market. The diversity of the PC market also makes it easy to customize a PC to suit your needs exactly.

There’s a larger library of software for PCs

While there are several quality programs exclusive to Mac, there are a significantly higher number of programs that are exclusive to PCs. From word processing to games, the library Mac users can’t utilize is larger than the one PC users can’t.

PCs are cheaper

It’s a fact: PCs cost considerably less than Macs.

Need proof? Look no further than the 15″ Macbook Pro, which I configured with a 2.4GHz Intel Core i5, 4GB of memory and a 500GB hard drive for $1899.00.  A Sony laptop with absolutely identical specs can be had for just $1199.99, with better proven reliability to boot.

Final thoughts

In short, it seems there are few valid justifications for bringing home a Mac. With insulting prices atop identical hardware and inferior reliability, it is abundantly clear that the average user would be much better served by sticking with a PC.

Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Jobsophiles! Stay tuned for Jacqueline’s next article outlining the top five reasons why you actually do need a Mac.

Image credits:

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Comments

  1. _k
    _k But I thought Mac motherboards weren't identical to PC ones, thus the whole reason for HacknTosh. Macs don't use a BIOS chip but EFI, right?
  2. Thrax
    Thrax Windows Vista and Windows 7 both support EFI as well. Software lockins are the reason for the hackintosh.
  3. Garg
    Garg The only reason I want a Mac is for the nice aluminum case and trackpad. Not going to pay that kind of premium for it.

    I could almost be convinced for the 13" model, but the shared graphics memory turned me off.
  4. kryyst
    kryyst While I don't disagree with the point you are trying to make. The price/build comparison isn't really as simple as that. The technology may be the same, but the build quality varies significantly from brand to brand. Go spec a T series Lenovo laptop and you are hitting in the same price range as a MAC for a similar quality build.

    I'm not going all fanboy here. But if you want to compare apples to apples build is as important as speed when it comes to laptops. At least from the perspective of someone who has to keep a field of laptop workers working. If we only cared about cheap we'd be loading up everyone with $350 Acer's.
  5. Thrax
    Thrax Sony was already proven more reliable, and the compared product is a Sony. What point do you have, then, about build quality?
  6. timuchan
    timuchan Very nice article! I've been saying this for years... it was always awkward feeling like the only person in art school without a Mac. I now use one, just cause my work bought me one. Its done okay and I enjoy spaces, I don't think I'd ever buy one for myself though. Only thing that could improve my workflow on the pc over the mac would be GOOD multiple-desktop implementation like mac or linux.
  7. Jim Sorry... you must be a bean counter, the type that can't appreciate a wonderful, responsive, intuitive interface like the Mac has.

    Stay with your Windows garbage, crashes, bugs and viruses. It's largely the OS!!
  8. Thrax
    Thrax
    Jim wrote:
    Sorry... you must be a bean counter, the type that can't appreciate a wonderful, responsive, intuitive interface like the Mac has.

    Stay with your Windows garbage, crashes, bugs and viruses. It's largely the OS!!

    <i>The flytrap catches its first victim...</i>
  9. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven
    Jim wrote:
    Sorry... you must be a bean counter, the type that can't appreciate a wonderful, responsive, intuitive interface like the Mac has.

    Stay with your Windows garbage, crashes, bugs and viruses. It's largely the OS!!

    -1

    Thanks for reading the article!
  10. mertesn
    mertesn
    Jim wrote:
    Sorry... you must be a bean counter, the type that can't appreciate a wonderful, responsive, intuitive interface like Windows 7 has.

    Stay with your Mac garbage, crashes, bugs and viruses. It's largely the OS stupid !!
    Your argument works both ways. You seem to miss the point that OS X crashes, has bugs, and gets viruses as well. They've also got security vulnerabilities with their default software.

    They both also have rabid fanboys who just can't see past their own opinions.
  11. liquience
    liquience Those are all good points and I think a few of them are definitely areas Apple can improve, especially on reliability.

    At the end of the day, I guess we can all be glad that we can each choose which platform suits each of us best?
  12. Koreish
    Koreish YOU'RE ALL BEAN COUNTERS!!!
  13. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm I don't even think there's a bean-counting program available for Mac OS. Sounds like another win for PCs!
  14. Koreish
    Koreish But there is an app for my I-phone.
  15. kryyst
    kryyst
    Thrax wrote:
    Sony was already proven more reliable, and the compared product is a Sony. What point do you have, then, about build quality?

    Build quality as in the quality of the materials that make up the laptop. Steel chassis vs plastic, hinges that don't break etc... Not all laptops are built equally and while there is a designer cost built into a Mac's it's not all entirely fluff.
  16. Myrmidon
    Myrmidon
    Jim wrote:
    Sorry... you must be a bean counter, the type that can't appreciate a wonderful, responsive, intuitive interface like the Mac has.

    Stay with your Windows garbage, crashes, bugs and viruses. It's largely the OS stupid !!

    Who said anything about Windows anyway? I sure didn't read anything about Microsoft up there.

    WTB BeOS fanboys.
  17. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven
    Koreish wrote:
    But there is an app for my I-phone.

    Not really. BeanCounter(tm) is just a web app now because the real app got rejected by the app store due to the ability to spell "Boobies" when holding the calculator function upside-down.
  18. fatcat
    fatcat if Apple would just release OS X for PC this debate would DIAF
  19. liquience
    liquience
    fatcat wrote:
    if Apple would just release OS X for PC this debate would DIAF

    Unfortunately that dream of mine will almost never become a reality.
  20. Bandrik
    Bandrik
    fatcat wrote:
    if Apple would just release OS X for PC this debate would DIAF

    But if they did that, Mac could no longer market lackluster hardware with shiny, gloriously chic shells at exorbitant pricing. I argue that Apple would sink if they handed their sparkly OS over to PC manufacturers, just like you won't see a cheap Lexus or Lamborghini. It just defeats the purpose of their marketing scheme.
  21. fatcat
    fatcat agreed, but NO ONE buys a mac for the hardware specs...

    which is what this article talks about.
  22. GnomeQueen
    GnomeQueen So why DO people buy Macs? What justifies the increased prices?
  23. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm No, if that happened, Apple would have to code to support all PC hardware across the board, which would - and here's the kicker - require them to come to MS's level of hardware support, invalidate their hardware-specific optimizations they can put in, and likely reduce the grand experience that they market (and to some level, achieve) with OSX. It would, in other words, make them usual.
  24. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven
    So why DO people buy Macs? What justifies the increased prices?

    Hipster cred and marketing hype is about 80% these days.

    In the past, it was a genuinely better platform for certain disciplines (graphic design, etc). These days, however, all of that software runs just as well (if not better) on Windows (and even Linux in some cases).
  25. primesuspect
    primesuspect
    fatcat wrote:
    agreed, but NO ONE buys a mac for the hardware specs...

    which is what this article talks about.

    I agree. People buy Macs because they think the OS is the computer.

    People buy Mac OS X, not the hardware.
  26. BuddyJ
    BuddyJ I must raise a few points of contention.

    1) Regarding the reliability survey, it's only regarding laptops. Using it as the sole data source to base a reliability judgment on is flawed. A true measure would include desktops and laptops and include metrics that account for user expectations and levels of failure, ie. the battery blew up vs the touch pad died from use of excessive force. I hardly think one survey's limited data set is enough justify a label of "inferior."

    2) The software argument reminds me of what I've heard from the Android camp lately. A large library doesn't mean anything if it's full of crap apps. When the small library becomes a problem for users, then it's worthy of discussion, until then it's a moot point.

    BeOS is the best!
  27. fatcat
    fatcat
    So why DO people buy Macs? What justifies the increased prices?

    OS X and certain software that works better than the PC versions.

    I mean when I had my mac i was pleasantly suprised when it mounted an .iso just by clicking on it right in OS X

    The easy integrations with other apple products like appleTV, iPods, iPads. I mean not to beat the saying to death, but when you have a mac, and then buy like the appleTV, you turn it on and they are already seeing eachother and working just fine. no "I got a netgear router why don't i get the linksys speedbooster on my linksys pci wifi card???"

    so if the rest of your house is filled with apple products, getting a mac is the easy and logical choice.

    also, the apple warranty is pretty badass compared to most 90 day LIMITED ones

    if I didn't play games, (which steam kinda just ruined this option) I would use OS X over Windows 7.
  28. mirage
    mirage If the computer is selected on the basis of "need", I agree. But most of the time, decision is is based on subjective preferences. Apple successfully plays into this subjective image. I wouldn't argue with that, especially with my wife :)
  29. Steve Jobs PCs aren't magical, Macs are.
  30. Canti
    Canti
    Jim wrote:
    Stay with your Windows garbage, crashes, bugs and viruses.

    I love when they use this argument, even more that they might actually believe themselves. It's cute.
    So why DO people buy Macs? What justifies the increased prices?

    Largely I think it's because Apple does an amazing job of advertising and people who haven't the slightest idea how to use a PC get sucked in and never bother to explore alternatives. So basically ignorance and laziness. There are people who have a real reason for using them like Fatcat mentioned but those are the minority of Mac users.
  31. Petra
    Petra Good article and very solid points. I think part of the reason for the continued "Macs are different" view from a hardware standpoint is 1) terminology (Mac vs. PC... people seem to have forgotten what "PC" even means, which is clever brand positioning) and 2) holdover from the PPC architecture era.

    With that said, some of my PCs are Apple laptops, some of my PCs are of the modded-together-enthusiast-grade persuasion, and others are built from re-purposed Intel server hardware. Wiggle a few mice to bring monitors to life and you'll be exposed to a gamut of operating systems... from OS X to Ubuntu (including variants like EEEBuntu), Slackware to various versions of Windows. I've been messing around with OS X since the release of the public beta and, amusingly, I didn't feel the OS was really "ready" until 10.2 and it took the release of 10.3 to solidify that feeling (yes, I was triple booting OS 9, X, and PPC Debian for a while).

    I buy computers from Apple (specifically laptops--I have no interest in their other offerings due to the way I work) because I genuinely like working in OS X (dual booting Win XP and OS X while on the go is nice, too). I also have a soft spot for the attention to detail that I see in Apple's products as well as the overall build and design quality that I've observed. This appreciation actually drove me to work as an Apple tech circa-2004 (not for Apple, though) and I couldn't help but smile every time I disassembled an unfamiliar machine--it's a feeling I never experienced when working with stuff from other PC manufacturers. The joy of working with quirky things, perhaps? Anyway, yes, Apple screws up (just like everyone else), they are not some messiah corporation like many make them out to be, and many of their designs from the early to mid '90s are just as retarded, if not more so, than everyone else's. Do you pay a premium for a modern Apple computer? Absolutely. Is the extra expense worth it? For the vast majority of computer users, likely not. Does the price premium bother me? Considering I only pay it once every 5-7 years, not really.

    Most people don't need PCs from Apple or OS X for the same reason they don't really *need* Windows or half the processing power they've got… "need" isn't the way to look at this issue. People should decide what they like best and what's best for them through experimenting with what's available--don't buy into the marketing and don't be dogmatic about your choice. Granted, since most people don't seem to be interested in learning, I do realize I'm being a bit unrealistic with that one.
  32. liquience
    liquience
    Canti wrote:
    Largely I think it's because Apple does an amazing job of advertising and people who haven't the slightest idea how to use a PC get sucked in and never bother to explore alternatives. So basically ignorance and laziness. There are people who have a real reason for using them like Fatcat mentioned but those are the minority of Mac users.

    I wish it wasn't the case, but I do think that I'm very much in the minority when it comes to type of person who understands the whole picture and has chosen to use a Mac based on its merits.

    That said, I'm not sure "ignorance and laziness" is a completely accurate portrayal of the situation. Why the quickness to blame the user? Perhaps Apple has actually done a few things right and is presenting an option where the perceived barrier to entry is much lower? Note that I said "perceived". I do think it is the case that Apple's interface and interaction design is definitely a strong point (most of the time), and so in some cases the actual learning curve is probably a bit more gentle for many users, but the alternatives aren't so bad that this is a key issue (in my opinion).

    I guess the biggest "experiential" reason I use a Mac can simply be summed up as attention to detail. If "the little things" are a big deal to you - like they are for me - this point goes a long way toward justifying the purchase. ;)

    Edit: I should mention that I also use Win XP/Win 7/Ubuntu and have been a developer for Microsoft (and Apple, and other) platforms for many years now.
  33. drasnor
    drasnor After you meet your tenth stereotypical Mac user, it tends to sour your perception of the platform.
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  34. Petra
    Petra
    drasnor wrote:
    After you meet your tenth stereotypical Mac user, it tends to sour your perception of the platform.
    True, those who buy into the brand image thing hook, line, and sinker can be obnoxious... but that can happen with almost any product (just look at BMW).
  35. mirage
    mirage LOL, I agree that most elitist a**holes prefer Mac. But this is not to say that most Mac users are such.
  36. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm Unfortunately, as with all things, the reasonable ones are quiet. The rest are the only ones we get our impressions from.
  37. septimus
    septimus Beneath the fragile aluminum exterior of a Mac beats the heart of a PC. They are even assembled in the same factories.
  38. Myrmidon
    Myrmidon
    So why DO people buy Macs? What justifies the increased prices?

    Hey! Do your OWN research for the next article! I don't want to have to think for myself!
  39. fatcat
    fatcat
    Myrmidon wrote:
    Hey! Do your OWN research for the next article! I don't want to have to think for myself!

    lol, had the same thought also, but hey whatev
  40. Leonardo
    Leonardo
    Granted, since most people don't seem to be interested in learning, I do realize I'm being a bit unrealistic with that one.
    Learning and pocketbook, unfortunately in this case, are not mutually exclusive. I would thoroughly enjoy building a machine from cheaply sourced parts, pulling out an OSX CD, firing it up, and learning a new operating system. But....I don't *buy computers. I'm not spending several hundred dollars for a used (forget new) Mac just to learn an OS.

    * I do buy laptops, but I only use them for travel, and then mainly for very simple tasks like Internet, light office applications, and email. With that said, I can't justify an expensive, well-engineered machine, be it a Lenovo T series, a Vaio, or a Mac.
  41. Leonardo
    Leonardo
    Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Jobsophiles! Stay tuned for Jacqueline’s next article outlining the top five reasons why you actually do need a Mac.
    I'm looking forward to it.
  42. William Also, Mac can run windows, then it is a pc as well
  43. Linc
    Linc The stereotypes, straw men, and over-simplicity of this argument kind of make me queasy.
  44. AlphaTrinity
    AlphaTrinity The DO article should have been published first imo...just so there are less initial negative feelings. Anyway isn't this topic pretty well worn?

    So why DO people buy Macs? What justifies the increased prices?

    Reasons I do need a Mac:

    The trackpad
    The fact that iWork is half the price of Office and the fact that Keynote and Pages blow Powerpoint and Word away
    The LED screen
    I've had to reboot my Mac four times in nine months - two of them because of updates - try doing that with a PC
    I manage an all-Windows network at work - enough said
    The intuitive audio-video software in the iLife suite. Find software of that caliber that doesn't jack the cost of a Windows PC over the price of a Mac and I'll erase this point.
  45. ardichoke
    ardichoke
    I've had to reboot my Mac four times in nine months - two of them because of updates - try doing that with a PC

    Hrm.... my workstation went 6 solid months without needing to be rebooted. My server has been up about a year without a reboot. Neither are Mac. What's your point?
  46. mirage
    mirage
    The DO article should have been published first imo...just so there are less initial negative feelings. Anyway isn't this topic pretty well worn?




    Reasons I do need a Mac:

    The trackpad
    The fact that iWork is half the price of Office and the fact that Keynote and Pages blow Powerpoint and Word away
    The LED screen
    I've had to reboot my Mac four times in nine months - two of them because of updates - try doing that with a PC
    I manage an all-Windows network at work - enough said
    The intuitive audio-video software in the iLife suite. Find software of that caliber that doesn't jack the cost of a Windows PC over the price of a Mac and I'll erase this point.

    We have a white Macbook and there is nothing special about the trackpad. If you mean large area of the trackpad, HP and Sony (maybe others as well) laptops have them too. LED Screen is not an Apple invention and it is available in many other laptops. I don't need to boot the Macbook but Windows 7 has the same stability and I don't boot my Windows computers either. My Windows XP server runs sometimes for months 24/7 between two system updates that might require a reboot. Actually, I don't like iPhoto in iLife and installed Picasa (free) instead. I hate Safari too and use Firefox instead. If you are comparing the iWork with MSOffice suit, you must be joking. Office is a must for serious business environment.

    Why don't you just say that you like Mac better, there will be nothing to argue about that. I like the Macbook too but I take my trusty Dell Latitude to the business trips.
  47. Petra
    Petra
    Leonardo wrote:
    But....I don't *buy computers. I'm not spending several hundred dollars for a used (forget new) Mac just to learn an OS.
    Not really what I was getting at with that one... that was more a 'most people don't seem to be willing to learn all they can about their options and they give up the moment they run into an obstacle' (so, one part Linux hat tip, one part people paying attention to marketing bullet points rather than seeking real information because research is too much work). For me, though, a laptop is a primary workstation handling everything from graphic design (Photoshop), to presentations, to video editing in Final Cut, and everything in-between. Even so, I still end up jumping between computers depending on what I'm doing, how I'd prefer to view it, and what OS I feel like using at that moment--it's all part of my computer obsession. :crazy:

    AlphaTrinity: From my point of view, cross-platform services/software like Google Docs and OpenOffice make the "M$ Office is expensive" argument irrelevant.
  48. AlphaTrinity
    AlphaTrinity ardichoke - My point is that it's not the norm.
    mirage - I forgot that the trackpad I have is on the newer Macs - not sure if your white one came with what I'm talking about. I thought the article was aimed more at consumers - I would hope that any server os would be more reliable than a workstation os...whether that's true or not is a separate argument. Picasa is pretty sweet, but it only replaces iPhoto, like you said. I'm not joking about Pages and Keynote btw...don't know how you got that impression. I was merely answering the question why I have a need for my Mac - I didn't mean to start something where I would start getting blasted like this, take it easy.
    Petra - After I made the post I realized that the Office/iWork comment didn't even belong in this thread. My apologies. I was comparing more Microsoft vs Apple than Mac vs Whatever. I totally agree with you that there are better solutions out there that don't have Microsoft or Apple's names on them, and personally I always look for freeware to solve any issue that I have at home or at work.
  49. Tony uforgot to put that u can make a hackintouch for less lol and better specs
  50. ardichoke
    ardichoke
    ardichoke - My point is that it's not the norm.
    Except that the "norm" from what I've seen is that people turn their computers off every night when they are done with them. At least "normal" users do. So your point is moot either way.
  51. GnomeQueen
    GnomeQueen
    tony wrote:
    uforgot to put that u can make a hackintouch for less lol and better specs

    We do not advocate illegal options.
  52. Canti
    Canti
    tony wrote:
    uforgot to put that u can make a hackintouch for less lol and better specs

    How much lol does it take to do it legally?
  53. steve jenkins The bean counter app is the best game on OS X.
  54. JP Well the thing is that even though both PC and MAC get viruses, you get them less on mac because Safari is not directly attached to the OS X, which happens to be in the PC... so if you get a virus on your PC browser your operative system will be affected by the virus as well, in the other hand if Safari gets a virus it only affects or isolates Safari and never the operative system nor other applications.

    Secondly is about the apple environment as a whole: itunes, safari, ical, iphoto, mac os x, etc etc etc... all together functions perfectly

    Thirdly the display is way better calibrated than those PC displays, that's why most designers that use adobe applications such as photoshop prefers to work on a mac..

    I can understand PC has much more support since is a mass-product contrary to the exclusive elitist mac group.

    In the end I find the mac interface much more easily to use than the complicated windows interface (ie control panel it's a real headhache for me), sure if you have used more PC you are already used to it.
  55. D BMV and Corolla. They both take you from point A to point B. They both require fuel. They both have a steering wheel and four tires, they both have a radio, they are both build for the same purpose! ITS luxury ladies and gentlemen if you can afford a BMW you will buy a BMW. IF you cant you will buy a cheaper automobile... whats up with all this hating, macs pcs there bought for the same use, buy whatever your little heart desires and move on!
  56. Fautsch I was a PC user for almost 5 years and I lost count of the times I had to call support and take my pc´s to the shop. Switched to mac about 14 years ago and I haven´t had to call support ONCE!!! so keep counting your beans. This article is for sheep. I pity you mortals!!
  57. Allen I use windows 7 mainly because I'm a student and can't afford a mac. But buying into apple is like joining a winning team. They are clearly on the innovative side of technology where as PC is just copy catting everything out there trying to stay ahead. Apple is ahead of the game in every-way and inspiring us all to look and use electronics differently. Yes, they look amazing! Yes, they come with a great build quality. And yes they do also introduce new innovations almost every year. On top of all that.. NO viruses (for the most part)
  58. Dean i have to completely disagree with this (apart from the price thing). Over the years i have had both toshiba and Sony laptops (as well as HP). All were crap......the toshiba broke about 3 times in the first year so i had to keep sending it back....in the end i gave up and got a Sony laptop. That was a slight improvement but was still not worth the money and stopped working after 6 month....sent back, it then broke just after the warranty ran out. Now i have a mac....it runs a hell of a lot better and never any problems with it, also all the software i need is available for a mac and imo much better to use.
  59. BadBirdLB if I had just spent an extra $500 I to would have a hard time admitting the other was better...Good choice of picture, I have always thought Apple was more of a granny smith and much less macintosh. Granny smiths typically have very tough skin with tart flesh which I think describe Jobs prefectly.
  60. Kwitko
    Kwitko
    Allen wrote:
    And yes they do also introduce new innovations almost every year. On top of all that.. NO viruses (for the most part)

    They do? Sure, they've come up with some good ideas along the way, but new innovations almost every year? Not even close. What have them come up with recently that's been so innovative? Don't say the iPad, it's nothing more than an iPod touch in a larger form factor.

    No viruses? Untrue. The reason Macs are relatively virus free has nothing to do with its BSD underpinnings and everything to do with quantity. Virus/malware/spyware coders go for the biggest bang for their buck. I guarantee that if Apple had the market share that Windows enjoys, Windows users would be strutting around talking about how impenetrable Windows is. And don't get me started on the dreaded Apple Kernel Panic.

    Lastly, MAC is not an acronym. Stop capitalizing the whole word.
  61. Raekwon Mac OS X that's what we pay for, no screwing around with norton and anti this and anti that, this is why there more expensive because were paying for the operating system, and others shouldn't be commenting on this if they havnt touched a mac. And the hard ware price comparisons are not much more, u might see a mac more then a pc bcus it has better hardware in it, the only thing overpriced at apple Is there memory. Just to shut you guys up go watch apple soldier on YouTube he will tell u what's what.
  62. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven
    JP wrote:
    Thirdly the display is way better calibrated than those PC displays, that's why most designers that use adobe applications such as photoshop prefers to work on a mac..

    Any designer/editor/photographer/etc worth hiring is going to calibrate their monitor before using it for production work, regardless of the underlying os.

    Also, there are very few manufacturers of the panels that go into LCD displays. Apple does not manufacture their own. Any display manufacturer can obtain the exact same panel as Apple can.

    A comparably-priced display from another maker is very likely going to hold the exact same display components as the Apple display.
  63. Petra
    Petra
    Raekwon wrote:
    Just to shut you guys up go watch apple soldier on YouTube he will tell u what's what.
    You just shot yourself in the foot. From what I watched, he doesn't know enough about both sides of what he argues to take seriously.

    *edit* JP, DeGruven is right... any graphic artist that's serious about what they do has and uses monitor calibration hardware (especially if they're doing anything for print)--PC running the Mac OS or Windows, it doesn't matter. Now, when it comes to color handling on the OS level, there are some differences between the Mac OS and Windows and, in the earlier days, that's where a fair amount of the "designers prefer the Mac OS" stuff came from as I recall.
  64. Thrax
    Thrax And now, both PC and Mac use the same Adobe color profiles.
  65. Petra
    Petra
    Thrax wrote:
    And now, both PC and Mac use the same Adobe color profiles.
    ;D

    ...sorry, that just made me think of the true meaning of sRGB
  66. digitalvision
    digitalvision I'm a mac guy. For a few reasons.

    1) I run a business. I can tell you unequivocally that I spend significantly less on 3rd party support than before, much outstripping the additional cost. I don't have time for down time and the only critical issue I've had is a hard drive dying (which happens on every platform) and is super-easy to swap out.

    2) Any smart mac user buys refurbs. Same stuff, lower price, same warranty. Usually it's stuff that got returned they can't sell as new. That can help.

    3) I think pretty much everything Apple makes is business-class. There is a difference between consumer grade and business class machines. I regularly get 5 or 6 years of service out of mac hardware. With processor upgrades, I have a DA533 from 2001 next to me working as a server and occasional audio workstation.

    4) It just works. With Windows 7 this gap has been narrowed; but I plug any peripheral in and it just goes. If it's USB or Firewire, it works out of the box.

    I personally think where it's outrageous in price difference is NOT the laptops, but the desktops. That's the real joke and they need to bring that in line at some point. I love macs, but the desktop stations are horridly overpriced. But the laptops? Totally worth it, in my opinion.

    And it's true - in many ways, it's the operating system, not the hardware that brings the value. THAT is the thing that sets it apart most of all. I'm sure if I were an avid gamer I would have a different perspective, but with Steam coming to the mac, I think that helps that situation greatly. But, and I hate to say it, but I don't have time to play videogames anymore. My computer is a tool to get work done, and my macs work beautifully as that tool.
  67. primesuspect
    primesuspect
    4) It just works. With Windows 7 this gap has been narrowed; but I plug any peripheral in and it just goes. If it's USB or Firewire, it works out of the box.

    Note: Mac user since 1994, PC user since 1995

    I've stayed out of this, as both a Mac and Windows user and fan, but this finally got me sucked in.

    I take exception to this "just works" bit. Hardware that is certified to work with Macs does usually "just work" but the bulk of off-the-shelf peripherals and hardware often have problems working with Macs, and it's mostly because of shitty driver support. Printers "just work" with PC, and have since the 90s. I have had more trouble getting printers and scanners to work with Macs than I have with Windows in 8 years as an IT consultant for print shops.

    Overall, I'd assert that you cannot find a hardware manufacturer that doesn't at least have decent support for Windows, but you can find plenty that have NO support for Mac OS at all.

    .. One more thing:

    When it DOESN'T "just work", getting it to work is usually far more of a nightmare on Mac than it is on Windows.
  68. fatcat
    fatcat see, I've had problems getting printers "to work" on windows UNTIL Windows 7.

    Scanners can go suck tree bark though
  69. troll
    troll
    Note: Mac user since 1994, PC user since 1995

    I have had more trouble getting printers and scanners to work with Macs than I have with Windows in 8 years as an IT consultant for print shops.

    That ran you through System 7 and 8....
    You were lucky to get any "off the shelf peripherals" working back then...

    :D
  70. Canti
    Canti
    Fautsch wrote:
    This article is for sheep. I pity you mortals!!

    If using a Mac grants me immortality I'll buy one...maybe two.
    Raekwon wrote:
    Mac OS X that's what we pay for, no screwing around with norton and anti this and anti that, this is why there more expensive because were paying for the operating system, and others shouldn't be commenting on this if they havnt touched a mac. And the hard ware price comparisons are not much more, u might see a mac more then a pc bcus it has better hardware in it, the only thing overpriced at apple Is there memory. Just to shut you guys up go watch apple soldier on YouTube he will tell u what's what.

    Okay so,
    1. Paying a couple hundred dollars more just so you don't have to spend five minutes installing an anti-virus program.
    2. I haven't touched a Mac. I'll comment anyway. I mean not that I don't WANT to touch a Mac, especially since they apparently provide super human longevity but I'm pretty sure the age difference might get me thrown in jail.
    3. Nice grammar.
    4. Fantastic spelling.
    5. Apple Soldier needs more quick launch buttons.
  71. M46h1n3
    M46h1n3 HOLY SHIT SO MANY COMMENTS! Someone should check out my paper on why pcs are superior to macs lol

    Also, lolololmacslololol
  72. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm
    I personally think where it's outrageous in price difference is NOT the laptops, but the desktops. That's the real joke and they need to bring that in line at some point. I love macs, but the desktop stations are horridly overpriced.

    Thank you for pointing that out. When I moved overseas, I got so distressed trying to find a place like Newegg where I could one-stop shop for all my parts I actually contemplated buying a Mac, since there was a store down the street.

    I compared what I wanted to build with a comparable Mac, and I couldn't even get comparable parts on a Mac Pro - but it would have cost me twice as much. It's laughable.
  73. spin498
    spin498 No. 1 reason for owning a PC. Mint 9, oh I love that minty freshness.

    I love this, ' I had a crappy PC 14 yrs. ago so.....' Times have changed. When I started in my career we used 2 way radios with crystals. Try and find one now.

    I buy refurbished name brand PC's. with the money saved I then go and buy neat upgrades you can't get for MAC.

    No. 2 reason for PC (for me) I like to get under the hood and tinker. Can't do that with a MAC. Eventually I will have a Hackintosh up and running and find out for myself how good OSX is.

    I haven't suffered, BSOD's, bugs, or peripheral issues since Win98. Virus's I get from kids on P2P networks and I pretty much brought that to a halt.

    No. 3 reason to own a PC. I'm into photography and would rather spend my money on lenses etc.
    I've managed to get some of my stuff published and sold without ever resorting to using a MAC, Apture or any of the other 'elitist' software. PaintShopPro works just fine thank you. I will say, that the 27 " iMac is a gorgeous platform for showing off photos, but for $500 I can get a 28 " LCD hooked to my PC that's just as nice.
  74. BlackHawk
    BlackHawk
    Canti wrote:
    How much lol does it take to do it legally?

    You can legally go in to a store, buy OSX and install in a compatible PC (usually laptops) or you can use the countless number of ways that violate the EULA (which still doesn't make it illegal).
  75. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm Installing it in any non-Apple-branded computer also violates the EULA - doesn't matter if you bought it legally.
  76. BlackHawk
    BlackHawk Only means Apple doesn't have to support your installation.
  77. Snarkasm
    Snarkasm If only that's all it meant... Psystar would still be in business.
  78. pchoi94 To the person that said they want a Mac for the aluminum body... You have been fleeced, sir. Have you ever stopped to think about what an aluminum body means? Have you ever picked up a Mac Book and then picked up a Thinkpad T400s? The Mac is WAY heavier, thanks to its aluminum body. Also, you can bend a Mac with your bare hands. I've done it. A Thinkpad, on the other hand, is practically bullet proof. They did a good job of marketing, they sure did. "It's aluminum!" Wow. Just like a can of soda...
  79. Zeb The first two points aren't looking at the bigger picture.

    1. PCs are more reliable
    Mac-A may break a year before PC-A but I bet you'd see the situation differently when Apple takes care of your Mac-A free of charge but you've got to fix your PC-A with your own time/money. So Macs may break more, but Apple takes care of you more.

    2. Identical hardware
    This article also ignores that since Apple can design their OS around their hardware, Macs run faster than a Windows machine with the same tech specs.

    This isn't a very well rounded or thought out article in my opinion, but I guess since a sister article is coming I shouldn't judge it quite yet.
  80. ike it's 3 am and i can hardly believe I scrolled through all this bs. I feel like I've been riding the "it's a small world" ride for 5 hours. never again. get lives people.
  81. Buddhism101 I haz mac, I not understand 2 buttons at once
  82. coldalarm
    coldalarm I think Macs have their use, and PCs have their use. For the vast majority of the computer using public, Windows-based PCs are the best option. Microsoft Office is often the industry standard, as are a lot of programmes that have Windows versions. Many training courses are Windows-only, or at least have a heavy emphasis on Windows - The ECDL and Key Skills IT courses in the UK are great examples.

    The Mac is "more secure" in that its OS might be more secure, but it doesn't mean one should ignore anti-virus programmes as the Mac could be a carrier - Just because you're not infected, it doesn't mean you're clean. It's also a smaller target in that Windows has the majority of the user base, so if hackers want something, they'll generally aim at what yields the biggest return for their investment. I guess that the limited hardware options also factor into it, but I'm not too sure.

    But the point is, for most people, a Mac is a waste of money. For what it is, they can often be quite expensive and have limited use. Go into a game store or a retailer like PC World, and there'll be very little for Macs. Hell, browse Amazon and you'll find much less software for the Mac. Yeah, some companies are branching out (Valve, for example), but until Apple really sort themselves out it's a no-go for some people.
  83. QCH
    QCH I remember Primesuspect waiting for weeks for his Mac to be fixed BY APPLE. And a Dell or HP with 3 year warranty is just as good as a 3 year Apple Care.
  84. Petra
    Petra
    QCH wrote:
    I remember Primesuspect waiting for weeks for his Mac to be fixed BY APPLE. And a Dell or HP with 3 year warranty is just as good as a 3 year Apple Care.
    Whether it's a PC built by Apple or a PC built by Dell, just fix it yourself--extended warranties are for suckers.
  85. AlexDeGruven
    AlexDeGruven
    Petra wrote:
    Whether it's a PC built by Apple or a PC built by Dell, just fix it yourself--extended warranties are for suckers.

    QFT - particularly in the Intel Mac era.
  86. QCH
    QCH Trying to ensure we're judging Apples to apples. Warranties CAN be worth it depending on the environment and situation. For my home PC that I built, no. PC I bought for $500, no. For my $1,800 personal laptop, yes. Why? For an extra $150 I was protected for 3 years. I knew that I would not be able to afford another $1,800 laptop anytime soon so I need to have the protection and $150 is was not that big of a deal.

    Now... change gears to the corporate world. Warranties are a MUST. Most places require a 3 year minimum warranty on all desktops/laptops. Servers? 4 or even 5 years is a must and probably a 24 hour response time if not 4 hour.

    Staying with the corporate world theme... We have Apples, Windows, and Linux systems. Probably a 5% Mac, 45% Win, 50% Linux mix. Windows systems are the best for warranties. We but Dell and, to a lesser degree, HPs. The support on them is AWESOME. We can have a replacement part the next day in most cases. We have a ton of folks that can diagnose the faulty device and BOOM, the part is on the way. Apple not so good. It can take weeks to get systems fixed. Now Linux systems, we get some Dells and some Mom-Pop company. They are not bad to get response since the Dells are the same hardware as the Win systems. The Mom-Pop company is local so they come right in the next day with a crap load of parts and they usually leave that day with the problem fixed.
  87. primesuspect
    primesuspect
    Zeb wrote:
    The first two points aren't looking at the bigger picture.

    1. PCs are more reliable
    Mac-A may break a year before PC-A but I bet you'd see the situation differently when Apple takes care of your Mac-A free of charge but you've got to fix your PC-A with your own time/money. So Macs may break more, but Apple takes care of you more.

    2. Identical hardware
    This article also ignores that since Apple can design their OS around their hardware, Macs run faster than a Windows machine with the same tech specs.

    This isn't a very well rounded or thought out article in my opinion, but I guess since a sister article is coming I shouldn't judge it quite yet.

    This is also BS. I've had two terrible experiences with Applecare. When my PC breaks, I can get a replacement part cheaply (often locally) and get back up and running quickly. When my mac broke (two occasions) I had to wait WEEKS for replacement parts—after Apple grilled me on the phone for an hour to make sure I didn't break anything.

    Looking back to 2005 when I had one of my issues, I said:
    Dammit. Apple should just be a software company. OS X is so much better than WinXP. This crap really burns me up.

    I still hold to that. I've had terrible Apple hardware experiences.
  88. pjp We call this article link-bait, folks. You do understand that these articles attract readers like flies on dung, right?
  89. Canti
    Canti
    pjp wrote:
    We call this article link-bait, folks. You do understand that these articles attract readers like flies on dung, right?

    ur a fly
  90. Chuck Glidden I have a new Macbook, Mac Mini, iPad, and an iPhone. I use Macs and PCs every day. When I am home I use my 315 dollar Win7 laptop. Why? The Macbook burns my legs, aluminum is a very poor design choice.

    Here are a few serious flaws in OSX

    1. Menu bar. On multiple monitors I am going across screens to get to my file menu??? WTF
    2. Font Rendering. Microsoft uses clear type (sub pixel rendering) looks way more clear for reading. Only a raging Apple fanboy would say otherwise.
    3. Flash. Flash runs twice as fast on the PC.
    4. Win 7 Dock. So much more intuitive. I know they stole the idea but it makes so much more sense on Windows.

    Here are areas it beats Win7
    1. Still a target for Viruses (although I haven't gotten a Virus in many years)
    2. Application installs are way more intuitive on OSX.
    3. Pre-installed software is better. (Except Media Center) Microsoft does have a lot of compelling free software but you have to download it.
  91. Chris One huge reason that goes both ways for Mac is that they do have a say in what goes on their iPhones and Macs. PC's are open to anyone, and when that anyone learns to code BS stuff, on a PC you are through. I've been surfing the same websites for 2 years with a Mac that I did with a HP prior, I have not ONE of the issues that arised after heavy surfing. It's wonderful.

    Crashes are expected. Deal with it. You can buy a BMW or Landrover and they will still break down. It's technology, nothing perfect. But Apple seems to handle it way better.

    Macs do 'just work'. Granted it may take a week to relearn the system, but they are simple. SO MUCH more simple then PC software.

    Cheaper? Everyone knows you get what you pay for. I know your 600$ Dell is not as sturdy and pretty and solid as a 1000$ MacBook. Spend the money, it's worth it.
  92. Shizuka Personally, I like my rusty(ish) Dell inspiron :) It has only crashed ONCE in the three years I have been using it and that was only because I turned off my antivirus to do something and then I got a virus. But using a Mac, it crashes so many times. On Safari, I can't even load something like Facebook without it freezing. Sure, you might need to reboot a PC multiple times for updates, but at least there are updates.
    I still think of Apple as kinda dishonest because everything is so damn expensive and crashy and the only reason why they're selling is because of the pretty
    The only product of Apple that I'd actually consider buying is the iPhone or iPod touch, but even those are annoyingly expensive.
    I find the keyboards annoying because everything isn't where I'm used to and most of the commands are different. (And there aren't any tablets.)
    Needless to say, I'm going to stick with my trusty old Dell :)

    ==shizuka==

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