This is actually wrong. This is you projecting what you think it's supposed to be. At no point did Microsoft present this device as anything other than a home entertainment center hub. This is an internet-centric connected media server that just happens to play video games.
This is actually wrong. This is you projecting what you think it's supposed to be. At no point did Microsoft present this device as anything other than a home entertainment center hub. This is an internet-centric connected media server that just happens to play video games.
Agreed. It's a name thing, though. If they had called the device 'MS Livingroom' or some shit, instead of 'XBox whatever', no one would be complaining about anything. They simply wouldn't buy it if they didn't like it, and that would be the end of it. Because it's an Xbox, people who have an Xbox feel like they're being forced to upgrade. Of course, from a marketing standpoint, that's exactly the reason that it's being called an Xbox.
They used the name to create some market power by associating it with a previously successful product, but the abundance of changes put fans of that product off their expectations, which makes them upset. It's the same thing that happened to Simcity.
This is actually wrong. This is you projecting what you think it's supposed to be. At no point did Microsoft present this device as anything other than a home entertainment center hub. This is an internet-centric connected media server that just happens to play video games.
Well, excuse me for assuming a video-game-playing device advertised to be the successor to the most successful system of this previous console generation was actually supposed to be designed around playing video games. What a foolish person I am.
If wanting the Xbox to actually play games without a bunch of unnecessary trumped-up bullshit video datamining makes me antiquated, then bring out the rocking chairs and Ovaltine.
I'm not saying you're foolish. I'm saying that Microsoft's marketing for the last year or two has been towards moving away from a pure video game experience to an entertainment device. Read all of the jokes about "TV, TV, TV" when the Xbone was first announced. It's quite clear that they are NOT marketing this purely as a video game console, and you are saying "THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A VIDEO GAME CONSOLE" and I don't think they are presenting it that way at all.
I remember one of Xbox's selling points being the 'Ultimate home entertainment system' for the XboxOne
It's not supposed to be a video game console, not anymore it's a 'rented' PVR that happens to play games and until their little 180 you weren't 'buying' a system not in the traditional sense.
You were paying $400 upfront to rent their system and everything else that came with it. They were giving /you/ the privilege to have their system in your house and use all of it's features for whatever yearly fee they wanted. If you wanted to play video games, well you were going to be paying full price to be the 'sole' owner of said game copy.
It was only once they realized they'd be losing money by forcing people to effectively rent their system/games that they bothered to make the switch but I digress.
The XboxOne was never marketed as a video game console it's a home entertainment system that you pay a yearly fee to have the right to use in the first place.
I was never planning to get one, not before the 180, not after but I already have my 'home entertainment system' my PVR, my DVD player, and my PC and I don't have to pay a yearly fee for the right to use them. (Just, internet, cable, etc. but I paid that already the only thing that changed was the one day payment for the above)
The major problem for Microsoft is that there's a ton of folks that feel the same way the Ilriyas and I do, in varying degrees.
I won't say you're wrong, but the very fact that someone is arguing this point against me in the first place shows how fucked this whole thing is. Just take a step back and look at it for a sec.
The major problem for Microsoft is that there's a ton of folks that feel the same way the Ilriyas and I do, in varying degrees.
I won't say you're wrong, but the very fact that someone is arguing this point against me in the first place shows how fucked this whole thing is. Just take a step back and look at it for a sec.
Everyone has their own opinion and just because theirs doesn't align with yours doesn't mean theirs is wrong. If you want others to take a step back and look at it from your perspective, you'd better be prepared to do the same yourself.
"I won't say you're wrong, but you're so unbelievably wrong no rational person could see it any other way."
I won't say you have tunnel vision, but you're remarkably incapable of seeing any other side than your own, and I can't really blame you if you read material like what was linked. There was a grandiose leap at the end of that article where he implies the Xbox will show you ads in the middle of your game, as if that was in any way hinted towards in the information provided. With "reporting" like this, who needs attack ads?
You realize the extent of what's been mentioned here basically just adds up to using a "relatively limited" set of demographics data from the Kinect to change the ads that are available in the dashboard, right? Sure, that's not to say none of your other doom-and-gloom scenarios won't happen, but you're acting as if they are, right the fuck now, and that's patently absurd, especially when the console isn't even available. And you recognize that you are entirely capable of putting the Kinect facing a wall, right? And you recognize that targeted ads have been a part of our lives for probably the better part of a decade at least now, right? Google "reads" your email, your searches, your location data. Facebook tracks your likes, your friends' likes, your dog's likes. The "relatively limited" set of data, for all you know, simply includes the number of people in front of the Kinect and their heights, so it knows whether to show single/multi and/or kid-friendly ads.
You are absolutely blowing a gasket over what are currently imaginary scenarios, and you're not legitimately advancing your "don't buy an Xbox" cause at all.
Uh...the point of my last post was that I was -conceding- the point to him, and saying that the fact that this is even an issue in the first place is ridiculous.
This is actually wrong. This is you projecting what you think it's supposed to be. At no point did Microsoft present this device as anything other than a home entertainment center hub. This is an internet-centric connected media server that just happens to play video games.
Agreed. It's a name thing, though. If they had called the device 'MS Livingroom' or some shit, instead of 'XBox whatever', no one would be complaining about anything. They simply wouldn't buy it if they didn't like it, and that would be the end of it. Because it's an Xbox, people who have an Xbox feel like they're being forced to upgrade. Of course, from a marketing standpoint, that's exactly the reason that it's being called an Xbox.
They used the name to create some market power by associating it with a previously successful product, but the abundance of changes put fans of that product off their expectations, which makes them upset. It's the same thing that happened to Simcity.
Is it just me or does this sound exactly like what Microsoft did with another one of their products recently? *cough*Windows 8*cough*
I'll only buy one one if they sell the damn thing in a combo pack with tannerite and a shotgun. Bout all the XBone is good for.
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RahnalH102the Green Devout, Veteran Monster Hunter, Creature EnthusiastNew MexicoIcrontian
If my gaming history is anything to go by, then it will come into my possession eventually. The first Xbox is the only "recent" system I don't own. So far Halo is the only interest I have in it and that's a ways away so definitely not on release.
I'll only buy one one if they sell the damn thing in a combo pack with tannerite and a shotgun. Bout all the XBone is good for.
Muzzle velocity of shotguns generally isn't nearly enough to trigger tannerite. You'd be better off with a .22LR, because the energy density at impact will be much higher per-point than just about any shotgun load.
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ChoochK-Pop authority™, Pho KingMadison Heights, MIIcrontian
This guy got his XBox One two weeks early. Thanks Target.
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This is actually wrong. This is you projecting what you think it's supposed to be. At no point did Microsoft present this device as anything other than a home entertainment center hub. This is an internet-centric connected media server that just happens to play video games.
They used the name to create some market power by associating it with a previously successful product, but the abundance of changes put fans of that product off their expectations, which makes them upset. It's the same thing that happened to Simcity.
If wanting the Xbox to actually play games without a bunch of unnecessary trumped-up bullshit video datamining makes me antiquated, then bring out the rocking chairs and Ovaltine.
It's not supposed to be a video game console, not anymore it's a 'rented' PVR that happens to play games and until their little 180 you weren't 'buying' a system not in the traditional sense.
You were paying $400 upfront to rent their system and everything else that came with it. They were giving /you/ the privilege to have their system in your house and use all of it's features for whatever yearly fee they wanted. If you wanted to play video games, well you were going to be paying full price to be the 'sole' owner of said game copy.
It was only once they realized they'd be losing money by forcing people to effectively rent their system/games that they bothered to make the switch but I digress.
The XboxOne was never marketed as a video game console it's a home entertainment system that you pay a yearly fee to have the right to use in the first place.
I was never planning to get one, not before the 180, not after but I already have my 'home entertainment system' my PVR, my DVD player, and my PC and I don't have to pay a yearly fee for the right to use them. (Just, internet, cable, etc. but I paid that already the only thing that changed was the one day payment for the above)
I won't say you're wrong, but the very fact that someone is arguing this point against me in the first place shows how fucked this whole thing is. Just take a step back and look at it for a sec.
I won't say you have tunnel vision, but you're remarkably incapable of seeing any other side than your own, and I can't really blame you if you read material like what was linked. There was a grandiose leap at the end of that article where he implies the Xbox will show you ads in the middle of your game, as if that was in any way hinted towards in the information provided. With "reporting" like this, who needs attack ads?
You realize the extent of what's been mentioned here basically just adds up to using a "relatively limited" set of demographics data from the Kinect to change the ads that are available in the dashboard, right? Sure, that's not to say none of your other doom-and-gloom scenarios won't happen, but you're acting as if they are, right the fuck now, and that's patently absurd, especially when the console isn't even available. And you recognize that you are entirely capable of putting the Kinect facing a wall, right? And you recognize that targeted ads have been a part of our lives for probably the better part of a decade at least now, right? Google "reads" your email, your searches, your location data. Facebook tracks your likes, your friends' likes, your dog's likes. The "relatively limited" set of data, for all you know, simply includes the number of people in front of the Kinect and their heights, so it knows whether to show single/multi and/or kid-friendly ads.
You are absolutely blowing a gasket over what are currently imaginary scenarios, and you're not legitimately advancing your "don't buy an Xbox" cause at all.
Relax, guys.
I want video games.
Not buying an Xbox One.
Despite all the turn arounds MS have done, I couldn't give a crap about the Xbox One even now. I won't be buying one.